What was striking was how what Jones said differed from Nigel Farage’s previous comments – where he said the “ship has completely sailed” on accepting the Senedd.

A spokesperson, asked about the issue by BBC Wales journalists, made clear to us that abolition was not going to appear in a Reform UK manifesto.

The spokesperson said: “It is not party policy to abolish the Senedd. It will not be in our manifesto next year. But we do not want to shut the discussion down.

“Party policy is to go into this election to win. The failure of the Senedd is to do with 26 years of Labour and Plaid Cymru.

“Value for money is something a Reform Welsh government would put first.

“As things stand, our goal is to make Welsh government work in terms of policy and we hope a Reform government would fix things, but as Laura says we would not rule anything out to ensure welsh taxpayers are put first.”

One corner of the vast conference hall is given over to various nations and regions of the UK, who all have their own stalls.

Wales has its own. Speaking to grassroots members there you get the sense – while they were happy to talk about the issue – that abolition was not at the forefront of their minds.

One, while not criticising what Laura Anne Jones said, told us that it was not something raised on the doorstep, and they did not think it would help bring more voters to Reform.

Some Conservatives have often thought otherwise, hoping their own party would switch their stance on devolution to bring in more devosceptic voters.

One has said they thought a more questioning stance would help bring over Tory activists to Reform.