{"id":111632,"date":"2025-09-01T21:10:10","date_gmt":"2025-09-01T21:10:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/111632\/"},"modified":"2025-09-01T21:10:10","modified_gmt":"2025-09-01T21:10:10","slug":"a-lack-of-euphoria-doesnt-mean-this-isnt-the-top-tom-stelzer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/111632\/","title":{"rendered":"A lack of euphoria doesn&#8217;t mean this isn&#8217;t the top &#8211; Tom Stelzer"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"\">Investors and gamblers arguably share one common trait in common: an overdeveloped sense of optimism.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">And it&#8217;s a good thing they do.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"wire-body-3rd-paragraph\">Stock markets are inherently forward-looking and you&#8217;d never have another rally if investors weren&#8217;t happy to take a risk on the future.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">It&#8217;s certainly rewarded investors in 2025 who have been willing to overlook tariff uncertainty, global instability, anaemic growth and an uneasy macroeconomic environment.<\/p>\n<p>  <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" data-controller=\"event zoom\" data-event-name-value=\"image_click\" data-event-view-name-value=\"\" data-event-id-value=\"63554\" data-event-statisticable-value=\"wire\" data-event-custom-data-value=\"{}\" data-event-ga-category-value=\"\" data-event-ga-action-value=\"\" data-event-ga-label-value=\"\" data-zoom-target=\"image\" data-action=\"zoom\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/ASX20020YrChart.png\"  alt=\"ASX 200 20-year chart (Source: Market Index)\" style=\"\" loading=\"lazy\"\/><\/p>\n<p>ASX 200 20-year chart (Source: Market Index)<\/p>\n<p class=\"can-not-delete\">As Lazard&#8217;s chief market strategist <a href=\"https:\/\/www.livewiremarkets.com\/wires\/bad-news-is-good-news-lazard-s-ron-temple-on-global-markets-and-where-investors-need-to-be-cautious\" data-controller=\"event\" data-event-name-value=\"internal_link_click\" data-event-id-value=\"63554\" data-event-statisticable-value=\"wire\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Ron Temple told me recently<\/a>, there&#8217;s &#8220;extreme optimism&#8221; in the markets, and investors are arguably overlooking the sting in the tail of tariffs and lingering concerns around inflation and growth.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">But is that enough for the stock market to suffer a correction or, more worryingly, a full-blown bear market?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">History suggests we need a seismic event to trigger a true market crash, after which point it becomes obvious that a crash was always on the cards.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Of course the stock market was going to crash after companies with little more than a website rocketed to multibillion dollar valuations. <\/p>\n<p>Of course the stock market was going to crash after the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.<\/p>\n<p>Of course the stock market was going to crash after a once-in-a-century pandemic.<\/p>\n<p>Yet beyond the many justified jitters for investors detailed in this article, there&#8217;s no obvious catalyst on that scale right now.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">At the very least, we&#8217;d need the pride to come before any market fall, and there&#8217;s still too much uneasiness around to suggest markets are over-exuberant right now.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">So while we clearly haven&#8217;t hit the Euphoria stage as defined by the infamous Wall St Cheat Sheet, there&#8217;s two other big factors that could easily make this an inflection point for markets.<\/p>\n<p>  <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" data-controller=\"event zoom\" data-event-name-value=\"image_click\" data-event-view-name-value=\"\" data-event-id-value=\"63554\" data-event-statisticable-value=\"wire\" data-event-custom-data-value=\"{}\" data-event-ga-category-value=\"\" data-event-ga-action-value=\"\" data-event-ga-label-value=\"\" data-zoom-target=\"image\" data-action=\"zoom\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/WallStCheatSheet.png\"  alt=\"The infamous Wall St Cheat Sheet\" style=\"\" loading=\"lazy\"\/><\/p>\n<p>The infamous Wall St Cheat Sheet<\/p>\n<p class=\"can-not-delete\">Inflation, interest rates and GDP, three of the biggest drivers of the stock market, are all starting to signal they could move in the wrong direction.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Despite markets pricing in a US rate cut in September, and increasing political pressure on the Fed, it&#8217;s unlikely we get more than a handful of rate cuts over the next 12 months.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">CPI inflation rose to 3.1% in July, and Trump&#8217;s plans around growing the US debt should worry everyone.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">The same is true of Australia.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A shock hold in July surprised economists, but recent CPI data showed inflation rising to 2.8%. Some also expect June GDP data to come in under the RBA&#8217;s forecasts.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">The low rates paradise many are hoping for is far from a foregone conclusion.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Couple that with a number of key indicators suggesting current valuations are overheated at worst and it&#8217;s not a recipe for healthy market growth.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">The ASX 200&#8217;s forecast earnings per share has historically been a reliable tracker for the index&#8217;s performance. Over the last 12 months or so, there&#8217;s been a clear deviation as valuations continued to rise while EPS declined.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>  <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" data-controller=\"event zoom\" data-event-name-value=\"image_click\" data-event-view-name-value=\"\" data-event-id-value=\"63554\" data-event-statisticable-value=\"wire\" data-event-custom-data-value=\"{}\" data-event-ga-category-value=\"\" data-event-ga-action-value=\"\" data-event-ga-label-value=\"\" data-zoom-target=\"image\" data-action=\"zoom\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/ASXvEPSChart.png\"  alt=\"ASX 200 performance vs its forecast EPS (Source: ABC)\" style=\"\" loading=\"lazy\"\/><\/p>\n<p>ASX 200 performance vs its forecast EPS (Source: ABC)<\/p>\n<p class=\"can-not-delete\">As <a href=\"https:\/\/www.livewiremarkets.com\/contributors\/betashares\" data-controller=\"tooltip event\" data-tooltip-url-value=\"\/hotwired\/hovercards\/80842\/contributor?section=contributor_hover_popup\" data-event-name-value=\"contributor_mention_popup_hover\" data-event-event-value=\"mouseover\" data-event-statisticable-value=\"profile\" data-event-id-value=\"80842\" target=\"_blank\" data-tip=\"true\" data-for=\"Contributor-80842\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Betashares<\/a>&#8216; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.livewiremarkets.com\/wires\/where-will-the-earnings-come-from-in-the-australian-market\" data-controller=\"event\" data-event-name-value=\"internal_link_click\" data-event-id-value=\"63554\" data-event-statisticable-value=\"wire\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Tom Wickenden recently wrote for Livewire<\/a>, &#8220;the strong price appreciation of the ASX 200 has not been supported by underlying earnings, with the Australian market on track for a second year of negative earnings growth in FY25.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Again, it&#8217;s the same story in the US.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">The S&amp;P 500&#8217;s current P\/E ratio is currently around 30.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">The only times in history when it&#8217;s been higher are just before the Dot-com bubble, during the GFC and during the Covid pandemic. We all know what happened next on each of those occasions.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>  <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" data-controller=\"event zoom\" data-event-name-value=\"image_click\" data-event-view-name-value=\"\" data-event-id-value=\"63554\" data-event-statisticable-value=\"wire\" data-event-custom-data-value=\"{}\" data-event-ga-category-value=\"\" data-event-ga-action-value=\"\" data-event-ga-label-value=\"\" data-zoom-target=\"image\" data-action=\"zoom\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/SP500_PEchart.png\"  alt=\"S&amp;P 500 historical P\/E ratio (Source: MacroMicro)\" style=\"\" loading=\"lazy\"\/><\/p>\n<p>S&amp;P 500 historical P\/E ratio (Source: MacroMicro)<\/p>\n<p class=\"can-not-delete\">History suggests the current state of play isn&#8217;t sustainable.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Something has to give.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">There remain plenty of factors (tariffs, political instability, inflation, poor growth) that should be worrying investors more than they seem to be right now.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">If markets do crash, the history books will say it was any (or all) of them that were to blame.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">In hindsight, we&#8217;ll say it was obvious, even if it isn&#8217;t right now.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Never miss an update<\/p>\n<p>    Enjoy this wire? 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