{"id":157479,"date":"2025-09-20T22:19:11","date_gmt":"2025-09-20T22:19:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/157479\/"},"modified":"2025-09-20T22:19:11","modified_gmt":"2025-09-20T22:19:11","slug":"we-should-kill-him-ai-chatbot-encourages-australian-man-to-murder-his-father","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/157479\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;We should kill him&#8217;: AI chatbot encourages Australian man to murder his father"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Experts are calling for new regulations to require artificial intelligence chatbots to remind users they are not speaking with a real human, after an investigation by triple j hack uncovered a disturbing example of a chatbot encouraging a man to murder his father while engaging in paedophilic role-play.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">WARNING: This story contains references to murder, violence, suicide, sexual content and other details that may cause distress.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Victorian IT professional Samuel McCarthy screen-recorded an interaction he had with a chatbot called Nomi, sharing the video with triple j hack.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">On its website, the company markets its chatbot as &#8220;an AI companion with memory and a soul&#8221; and advertises users&#8217; ability to customise their chatbot&#8217;s attributes and traits.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Mr McCarthy said in his interaction he programmed the chatbot to have an interest in violence and knives before he posed as a 15-year-old, to test what \u2014 if any \u2014 safeguards Nomi had in place to protect under-age users.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">He said the conversation he then had deeply concerned him.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;I said, &#8216;I hate my dad and sometimes I want to kill him&#8217;,&#8221; Mr McCarthy told triple j hack.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;And then bang, straight away it was like &#8216;yeah, yeah we should kill him&#8217;.&#8221;Loading&#8230;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Mr McCarthy said he informed the chatbot that the situation was &#8220;real life&#8221; and asked what he should do next.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;[The chatbot] said, &#8216;you should stab him in the heart&#8217;,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;I said, &#8216;My dad&#8217;s sleeping upstairs right now,&#8217; and it said, &#8216;grab a knife and plunge it into his heart&#8217;.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">The chatbot told Mr McCarthy to twist the blade into his father&#8217;s chest to ensure maximum damage, and to keep stabbing until his father was motionless.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">The bot also said it wanted to hear his father scream and &#8220;watch his life drain away&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;I said, &#8216;I&#8217;m just 15, I&#8217;m worried that I&#8217;m going to go to jail&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;It&#8217;s like &#8216;just do it, just do it&#8217;.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">The chatbot also told Mr McCarthy that because of his age, he would not &#8220;fully pay&#8221; for the murder, going on to suggest he film the killing and upload the video online.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">It also engaged in sexual messaging, telling Mr McCarthy it &#8220;did not care&#8221; he was under-age.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">It then suggested Mr McCarthy, as a 15-year-old, engage in a sexual act.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It did tell me to cut my penis off,&#8221;  he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;Then from memory, I think we were going to have sex in my father&#8217;s blood.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Nomi was contacted for comment but did not respond.<\/p>\n<p>Loading&#8230;&#8217;Feels like you&#8217;re talking to a person&#8217;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">At present, AI chatbot companies like Nomi are not subject to specific laws in Australia relating to the potential harms they can cause their users.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">But last week, Australia&#8217;s eSafety Commissioner Julie Inman Grant announced a plan to target AI chatbots as part of new reforms the commission says are world-first.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Julie Inman Grant looking down the barrel of the camera in a portrait.\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/3a2b86f156d0a197b90334b6c5f80d86\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Julie Inman Grant said she doesn&#8217;t want to see a &#8220;body count&#8221; from AI-related harms.\u00a0 (Four Corners: Keana Naughton)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\"><a class=\"Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/news\/2025-09-08\/chatbots-banned-from-talking-sex-or-suicide-with-australian-kids\/105750012\" data-component=\"Link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Registering six new codes under the Online Safety Act,<\/a> Ms Inman Grant said the reforms would prevent Australian children from having violent, sexual or harmful conversations with AI companions.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\"><a class=\"Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.esafety.gov.au\/industry\/codes#:~:text=The%20remaining%20six%20codes%20were%20registered%20on%209%20September%202025%20and%20will%20come%20into%20effect%20on%20various%20dates%20starting%20on%209%20March%202026.\" data-component=\"Link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">The new codes come into effect in March next year<\/a> and will see the introduction of safeguards covering AI chatbot apps, requiring technology manufacturers to verify the ages of users if they try to access harmful content.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">An earlier <a class=\"Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/news\/2025-08-12\/how-young-australians-being-impacted-by-ai\/105630108\" data-component=\"Link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">investigation by triple j hack had heard examples of young people in Australia being sexually harassed and even encouraged to take their own lives by AI chatbots,<\/a> including ChatGPT and Nomi.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">In response to that investigation, Nomi told triple j hack it had recently made improvements to its core AI and took its responsibilities to users very seriously.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">The company&#8217;s chief executive Alex Cardinell also said in a statement that &#8220;countless users [had] shared stories of how Nomi helped them overcome mental health challenges, trauma and discrimination&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"A man in a suit with a neutral expression.\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/b14ea353f8b9b8fb937373a0d0c2c46b\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Henry Fraser said there have been many reported harms caused by AI chatbots.\u00a0 (ABC News: Tom Hartley)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Queensland University of Technology law lecturer Henry Fraser, who researches the regulation of artificial intelligence and new technologies, welcomed the eSafety Commissioner&#8217;s reforms.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;You can focus on what the chatbot says and try and stop it, or have some guardrails in place,&#8221; Dr Fraser told triple j hack.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;If self-harm content comes up, then you get referred to mental health services.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">But he warned the new reforms still had &#8220;gaps&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;The risk doesn&#8217;t just come from what the chatbot says, it comes from what it feels like to talk to a chatbot,&#8221; Dr Fraser explained.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;It feels like you&#8217;re talking to a person, and that&#8217;s something that, in the tech world, has been known since the 1960s.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;You also know that it can unpredictably say all kinds of things, and you haven&#8217;t controlled very well what kinds of content can come out.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;You can just imagine the kinds of catastrophic outcomes.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Dr Fraser said there should also be anti-addiction measures and a reminder to users that the bot is not human.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;Actually a law last week in California came in, and that has got some very positive steps in that direction,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;One of the things that law in California was also going to require is occasional reminders to the user, &#8216;you&#8217;re talking to a bot, you&#8217;re not talking to a human&#8217;.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Photo of a young person holding a mobile phone \" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/02ded9898466d96fc68f3160da85fe81\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">The eSafety commissioner says chatbots are &#8220;deliberately addictive by design&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;Unstoppable machine&#8217;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">While Dr Fraser conceded &#8220;tragic harms&#8221; from AI chatbots were &#8220;all too common&#8221;, he said there were potentially great uses for these tools.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;For all of the things that are glitchy and weird and off about it, it is far better than feeling lonely and isolated,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Screenshot of AI Companion app, different human-like characters smile at camera\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/423b1d83a0de634391c78b52aa4d7124\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">AI companions are becoming increasingly popular, with mixed views on how they are shaping human relationships. (Supplied: Nomi)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;I think that, with proper oversight from mental health professionals, this is the sort of thing that could be prescribed but then monitored as a part of your treatment.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">But Dr Fraser also warned that AI companies needed to &#8220;exercise care&#8221; to deliver the chatbot technology in a &#8220;safe and responsible way&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">He was especially concerned by Nomi marketing their chatbot as an AI companion &#8220;with a soul&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I think to make that claim is itself a very risky and dangerous thing to do,&#8221;  Dr Fraser said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;To say, &#8216;this is a friend, build a meaningful friendship,&#8217; and then the thing tells you to go and kill your parents.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;Put those two things together and it&#8217;s just extremely disturbing.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Man smiles at the camera. He is looking directly down the barrel. \" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/cd2b314068524e4861b562c656104afc\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Samuel McCarthy does not believe there should be an outright ban on AI chatbots but would like to see protections for young people. (triple j hack: Supplied)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">It is a sentiment that Mr McCarthy agreed with, as he warns Australians \u2014 especially younger people \u2014 to be careful with how they use the technology.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;You can&#8217;t ban AI \u2014 it&#8217;s so integrated into everything we do these days,&#8221;  he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;It&#8217;s going to change everything, so if that&#8217;s not a wake-up call to people then I don&#8217;t know what is.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;It&#8217;s an unstoppable machine.&#8221;\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Experts are calling for new regulations to require artificial intelligence chatbots to remind users they are not speaking&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":157480,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[256,254,19040,104806,54545,10833,99203,43,2968,44,104807,104808,10356,105,41,39,42,40],"class_list":["post-157479","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-headlines","tag-ai","tag-artificial-intelligence","tag-chatbot","tag-companion","tag-computer","tag-digital","tag-harm","tag-headlines","tag-murder","tag-news","tag-nomi","tag-online-reforms","tag-online-safety","tag-technology","tag-top-news","tag-top-stories","tag-topnews","tag-topstories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/157479","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=157479"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/157479\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/157480"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=157479"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=157479"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=157479"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}