{"id":240367,"date":"2025-10-25T18:09:27","date_gmt":"2025-10-25T18:09:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/240367\/"},"modified":"2025-10-25T18:09:27","modified_gmt":"2025-10-25T18:09:27","slug":"popular-podcasters-are-calling-out-trump-will-young-men-follow-suit","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/240367\/","title":{"rendered":"Popular podcasters are calling out Trump \u2014 will young men follow suit?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Once the dust settled after the 2024 US presidential election, one group emerged as a major contributor to Donald Trump&#8217;s success \u2014 podcasters.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">From Joe Rogan to Andrew Schulz to Theo Von, these internet celebrities \u2014 wildly popular with young men \u2014 either hosted Mr Trump or spoke highly of him in the lead-up.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">In fact, some research estimates Mr Trump&#8217;s podcast strategy gave him a roughly <a class=\"Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sydney.edu.au\/news-opinion\/news\/2025\/02\/03\/podcasts-sway-many-young-men-to-the-right.html\" data-component=\"Link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">1 to 2.6 per cent boost<\/a> in votes, with more than half of these linked to Rogan&#8217;s platform.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;It was significant,&#8221; University of Sydney digital innovation senior lecturer Raffaele Ciriello said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;Podcasts were one contributing factor that won Trump the 2024 presidential election.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It was the largest rightward swing in the last two decades, particularly among young men.&#8221;<img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Trump speaks into a microphone in front of US and Israeli flags\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/1761415754_892_f75c4f3bf9ab3ccb778971ed1ef44962\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Popular podcasters have been credited with boosting Donald Trump&#8217;s votes in the 2024 election. (AP: Alex Brandon)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">But in recent months, these podcasters have begun to change their tune, criticising Mr Trump on his handling of issues from immigration to free speech to Jeffrey Epstein.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Now the question looms \u2014 will their majority young male listeners follow suit?<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;He&#8217;s doing the opposite of everything I voted for&#8217;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">The cracks first started to show mid-way through this year.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">In July, Rogan condemned the Trump administration&#8217;s mass deportation efforts as an &#8220;overcorrection&#8221; on immigration, which he said was hurting &#8220;totally innocent&#8221; people.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;They&#8217;re kicking students out that like write articles they don&#8217;t like. F***ing crazy,&#8221; he said in an episode of the Joe Rogan Experience.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">The US podcaster also criticised the Department of Justice&#8217;s handling of the Epstein files and <a class=\"Link_link__kR0xA Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/news\/2025-09-25\/kimmel-video-and-rogan-lashing-viral\/105814274\" data-component=\"Link\" data-uri=\"coremedia:\/\/article\/105814274\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">questioned the brief suspension of Jimmy Kimmel&#8217;s late-night program<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Loading&#8230;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;I definitely don&#8217;t think the government should be involved ever in dictating what a comedian can or can&#8217;t say in a monologue,&#8221; he said on a September episode.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">That same month, Von lambasted the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for using a clip of his in what he described as their &#8220;banger deportation videos&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;When it comes to immigration, my thoughts and heart are a lot more nuanced,&#8221; he said in a social media post.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Stand-up comedian and actor Schulz has also taken aim at the US president several times on his podcast, including for <a class=\"Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.mediaite.com\/politics\/ex-trump-supporter-andrew-schulz-fumes-at-the-president-over-another-broken-promise-you-dont-break-your-word\/\" data-component=\"Link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">his handling of the Epstein files<\/a> and IVF mandates.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;He&#8217;s doing the exact opposite of everything I voted for,&#8221;  he said.<img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"andrew schulz\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/0b30fbfb52d591980a9cc6d11ffe5645\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">American stand-up comedian and actor Andrew Schulz has also taken aim at Donald Trump. (AFP: Emma McIntyre)<\/p>\n<p>A recalibration of the &#8216;manosphere&#8217;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">According to Dr Ciriello, a subtle but significant recalibration is occurring in the so-called &#8220;manosphere&#8221; of alternative media that helped elect Mr Trump.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">It comes as the US president&#8217;s net approval rating sits at <a class=\"Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.economist.com\/interactive\/trump-approval-tracker\/?app=core&amp;utm_medium=cpc.adword.pd&amp;utm_source=google&amp;ppccampaignID=22628386695&amp;ppcadID=&amp;utm_campaign=a.22brand_pmax&amp;utm_content=conversion.direct-response.anonymous&amp;gclsrc=aw.ds&amp;gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=22634604197&amp;gbraid=0AAAAADBuq3JupfYKxsAvXnW4mrmoqAmNe&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwr8LHBhBKEiwAy47uUt9zGGBNWx7f5G44rLYGfQ1wYtSznoM2aNpyuaMRjSq6aHarE2tMghoCD0kQAvD_BwE\" data-component=\"Link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">minus 17 per cent<\/a>, with his approval among young men <a class=\"Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/young-people-trumps-job-handling-cbs-news-analysis\/\" data-component=\"Link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">steadily declining<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;This matters because younger men are a critical audience, both for the podcast ecosystem and for autocrats like Trump,&#8221; Dr Ciriello said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">He said many conservative voters were primarily loyal to power.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;So when the leader appears weak, whether over Epstein files, unmet promises, or declining popularity, loyalty becomes conditional,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p>Loading&#8230;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">University of Sydney American studies lecturer Kathryn Robison said economic anxiety was a key matter alienating young voters from Mr Trump.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">She said many felt the president was not fulfilling his promises on this and other issues, and podcasters were calling him out \u2014 influencing more than just young men.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;These podcasts are traditionally thought of as the &#8216;manosphere&#8217; \u2014 but young women are listening to them as well,&#8221; she said.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"A woman with blond hair and a teal jacket smiles at the camera in an outdoor shot\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/5e2b4d38aff4cfbecc93a03ff2c4cfe3\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Kathryn Robison says many young men feel Donald Trump hasn&#8217;t fulfilled his promises. (Supplied: Kathryn Robison)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">United States Studies Centre senior lecturer Rodney Taveira said in the lead-up to the election, many in this podcast ecosystem saw a vote for Mr Trump as an act of political defiance.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;[It] was a kind of performance \u2026 a kind of anti-establishment, rebellious, I&#8217;m not doing the thing I was expected to do type stance,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;But now that he is the establishment, it&#8217;s lost that cachet.&#8221;<img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"A man in a suit in front of a beige background\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/48f5deddc0c9b5ebc7e8efea58d2194a\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Rodney Taveira says politicians will need to continue embracing podcasts. (Supplied: United States Studies Centre)<\/p>\n<p>The power of podcasts<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Podcasters&#8217; influence on voter behaviour was steadily increasing as more people prioritised podcasts over traditional media, Dr Taveira said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;There&#8217;s a kind of intimacy that emerges when you listen to the same people for hours on end, week after week,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;And therefore, the things they say will be given more credence than, say, the legacy media.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"A man in a black suit leans against a column with a plant behind him\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/1cea1251fa89734172d15e0cc1b4c517\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Raffaele Ciriello says podcasts were one contributing factor that won Trump the presidency. (Supplied: Raffaele Ciriello)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\"><a class=\"Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pewresearch.org\/journalism\/fact-sheet\/podcasts-and-news-fact-sheet\/\" data-component=\"Link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Roughly a third of Americans<\/a> now get some news from podcasts, according to the Pew Research Center.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Meanwhile, Australians are known as the &#8220;world&#8217;s most avid podcast listeners&#8221;, with men and those aged 18 to 24 <a class=\"Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/podcastservices.com.au\/the-latest-australian-podcast-statistics-you-need-to-know-for-2023-2024\/\" data-component=\"Link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">dominating audiences<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">The Joe Rogan Experience is consistently cited as one of America&#8217;s most popular podcasts \u2014 about 80 per cent of listeners are male and roughly half are aged 18 to 34.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Dr Ciriello said the influence of podcasts like these on Mr Trump&#8217;s waning popularity should not be underestimated.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;These platforms increasingly shape political trust,&#8221;  he said.<img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Joe Rogan wearing a dark shirt standing on a dark stage.\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/a4d91da6003c1d5889e7d1eb5c05729a\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Joe Rogan is one of America&#8217;s most popular podcasters. (Reuters: Mark J. Rebilas\/USA Today Sports)<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;It&#8217;s all theatre&#8217;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Dr Taveira said more politicians would need to embrace podcasts if they wanted to &#8220;get the votes&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">But he said this strategy appeared to be more effective for male-focused and conservative politics \u2014 perhaps because there was something more &#8220;spectacular&#8221; about the &#8220;MAGA agenda&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;For example, when we had the government shutdown in the US, the Democrats were going to live stream \u2026 but they didn&#8217;t get more than a couple hundred people watching,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;But Trump goes on a podcast and gets millions of views.&#8221;<img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"President Trump And Pete Hegseth Address\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/1761415767_531_b0179f9d9bdccb24f5539a145f65b267\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Some experts say Donald Trump must continue to assert dominance to survive politically.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0 (Reuters: Andrew Harnik)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Despite dwindling support from podcasters like Rogan, Dr Ciriello said Mr Trump would survive politically as long as he continued to assert dominance.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">In the meantime, he said it was likely podcasters would eventually move from being &#8220;kingmakers&#8221; to one day running for office themselves.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;It&#8217;s all media power, it&#8217;s all theatre,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;And the stage is shifting towards podcasts.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Once the dust settled after the 2024 US presidential election, one group emerged as a major contributor to&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":240368,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[84805,2490,43,9281,68713,5634,2765,53898,44,3755,21972,143572,41,39,42,40,1037,20291],"class_list":["post-240367","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-headlines","tag-andrew-schulz","tag-donald-trump","tag-headlines","tag-immigration","tag-immigration-policy","tag-jeffrey-epstein","tag-joe-rogan","tag-joe-rogan-experience","tag-news","tag-podcast","tag-the-joe-rogan-experience","tag-theo-von","tag-top-news","tag-top-stories","tag-topnews","tag-topstories","tag-trump-administration","tag-us-president"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/240367","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=240367"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/240367\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/240368"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=240367"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=240367"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=240367"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}