{"id":264167,"date":"2025-11-05T11:23:10","date_gmt":"2025-11-05T11:23:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/264167\/"},"modified":"2025-11-05T11:23:10","modified_gmt":"2025-11-05T11:23:10","slug":"the-goalposts-keep-moving-readers-debate-the-retirement-age","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/264167\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018The goalposts keep moving\u2019: Readers debate the retirement age"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Your support helps us to tell the story<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-1uza6dc-0 jEZjIj\">From reproductive rights to climate change to Big Tech, The Independent is on the ground when the story is developing. Whether it&#8217;s investigating the financials of Elon Musk&#8217;s pro-Trump PAC or producing our latest documentary, &#8216;The A Word&#8217;, which shines a light on the American women fighting for reproductive rights, we know how important it is to parse out the facts from the messaging.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-1uza6dc-0 jEZjIj\">At such a critical moment in US history, we need reporters on the ground. Your donation allows us to keep sending journalists to speak to both sides of the story.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-1uza6dc-0 jEZjIj\">The Independent is trusted by Americans across the entire political spectrum. And unlike many other quality news outlets, we choose not to lock Americans out of our reporting and analysis with paywalls. We believe quality journalism should be available to everyone, paid for by those who can afford it.<\/p>\n<p>Your support makes all the difference.Read more<\/p>\n<p>One in five of us knows the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/state-pension-age\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">state pension age<\/a> in the UK, according to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/life-style\/state-pension-age-retirement-b2851683.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">a new study<\/a>, highlighting widespread confusion and disengagement around <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/retirement\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">retirement<\/a> planning. <\/p>\n<p>Independent readers shared experiences of leaving university burdened with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/debt\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">debt<\/a>, low wages, and high living costs, leaving little opportunity to save, while older generations reflected on the advantages of defined benefit schemes that are now largely unavailable.<\/p>\n<p>Our community emphasised the unpredictability of retirement, noting that constant changes to the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/state-pension\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">state pension<\/a> age \u2013 rising to 67 by 2028 and potentially 68 by 2046 \u2013 make planning difficult. <\/p>\n<p>Several described continuing to work into their late 60s or 70s despite private savings, with some forced to rely on workplace <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/pensions\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">pensions<\/a> that have been \u201chacked back\u201d over time.<\/p>\n<p>Some readers also noted that many younger generations seem unlikely to retire, with shifting pension ages and financial pressures making the goal seem increasingly distant.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s what you had to say:<\/p>\n<p>Simply surviving<\/p>\n<p>I think most younger people are far too engaged with simply surviving and wondering if they can get a job when they come out of university, or follow their chosen career path as AI is used by more and more employers to replace people.<\/p>\n<p>Even people approaching retirement age are highly likely to need to carry on working, as very few of us will have final salary pension schemes or indeed any private pensions at all.<\/p>\n<p>Research also shows that stopping working is one of the biggest causes of early death or senility, so sensible people see the point at which they can draw their state pension as a useful income boost, not a reason to put their feet up.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/life-style\/state-pension-age-retirement-b2851683.html?__vfz=medium%3Dcomment_share%7Csharer_uuid%3D00000000-0000-4000-8000-070c4c3c61ce#vf-542a6bdc-fb69-4111-a919-57bbd611f138\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">CanPeopleReallyBeThisStupid<\/a><\/p>\n<p>A poorer deal for the young<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m currently 65, I get my state pension when I&#8217;m exactly 66 and 6 months old. I&#8217;m very fortunate \u2013 I was in two defined benefit schemes totalling 18 years\u2019 service that pay me a total of \u00a315K per annum, index-linked. Unfortunately, one of those schemes has gone for new joiners, and the other has been watered down. Due to additional savings, I was able to retire comfortably at 62. The young really have been given a much poorer deal.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.independent.co.uk\/static-assets\/images\/mobile-stores\/Trading_212.svg\" width=\"153\" height=\"40\" alt=\"Trading 212 logo\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-118zqaw-6 Ewzp\">Get a free fractional share worth up to \u00a3100.<br \/>Capital at risk.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-118zqaw-7 kxJQLw\">Terms and conditions apply.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"sc-1aus1tj-0 fnUAVY sc-118zqaw-2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.trading212.com\/join\/TI?af_xp=custom&amp;source_caller=ui&amp;pid=partners&amp;utm_source=network_the_independent&amp;shortlink=l9wss7fd&amp;utm_medium=text_advertising&amp;af_adset=text_advertising&amp;af_ad=text_advertising&amp;utm_campaign=text_advertising&amp;af_channel=network_the_independent&amp;c=the_independent\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Go to website<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-118zqaw-8 coIuAW\">ADVERTISEMENT<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.independent.co.uk\/static-assets\/images\/mobile-stores\/Trading_212.svg\" width=\"153\" height=\"40\" alt=\"Trading 212 logo\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-118zqaw-6 Ewzp\">Get a free fractional share worth up to \u00a3100.<br \/>Capital at risk.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-118zqaw-7 kxJQLw\">Terms and conditions apply.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"sc-1aus1tj-0 fnUAVY sc-118zqaw-2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.trading212.com\/join\/TI?af_xp=custom&amp;source_caller=ui&amp;pid=partners&amp;utm_source=network_the_independent&amp;shortlink=l9wss7fd&amp;utm_medium=text_advertising&amp;af_adset=text_advertising&amp;af_ad=text_advertising&amp;utm_campaign=text_advertising&amp;af_channel=network_the_independent&amp;c=the_independent\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Go to website<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-118zqaw-8 coIuAW\">ADVERTISEMENT<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/life-style\/state-pension-age-retirement-b2851683.html?__vfz=medium%3Dcomment_share%7Csharer_uuid%3D00000000-0000-4000-8000-070c4c3c61ce#vf-18306341-b525-408f-9366-a26ed723bdf5\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">bloodwort<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll need to work to at least 70<\/p>\n<p>I am Gen X, recently turned 51, and I&#8217;m sceptical that the state pension will even exist when I hit my late 60s. As it is, in order to afford to stay in my East London ex-council flat, I&#8217;ll need to work to at least 70 with the way my academic pension has been hacked back as well (at the behest of a sector senior management class, all well into the six-figure salaries, who even if they were subject to the cuts they expect the rest of us to take would still have more of a pension than I will ever earn while still working).<\/p>\n<p>Currently, state plus employment pension would get me 50% of my take-home now. Sixty per cent of my take-home now goes out in bills before I eat. I&#8217;ve never been so relieved I didn&#8217;t ever want to breed.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/life-style\/state-pension-age-retirement-b2851683.html?__vfz=medium%3Dcomment_share%7Csharer_uuid%3D00000000-0000-4000-8000-070c4c3c61ce#vf-9432c23e-6515-4463-86fb-cb90ef987165\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Padraig Mahone<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The goalposts keep moving<\/p>\n<p>I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily expect Gen Z to be thinking much about pensions yet. When you are that age, retirement seems so far distant as to be not on your radar, and that has always been the case.<\/p>\n<p>The other factor is that pension age, which was fixed at 65 (60 for women) for a very long time, is now moveable. Mine is 66 as far as my occupational pension goes, but I&#8217;ll have to wait an additional four months for my state pension as part of the phased move to retirement at 67. It&#8217;s harder to keep track of retirement if the goalposts keep moving, and that&#8217;s not just a Gen Z problem.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/life-style\/state-pension-age-retirement-b2851683.html?__vfz=medium%3Dcomment_share%7Csharer_uuid%3D00000000-0000-4000-8000-070c4c3c61ce#vf-db50c384-07dd-4d9c-afcd-0392088789d9\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Tanaquil2<\/a><\/p>\n<p>My pension plan<\/p>\n<p>Make pension contributions compulsory \u2013 no opt-outs. Too many people don\u2019t act responsibly but still end up with a decent pension. Contributions should be automatic, whether you\u2019re working or unemployed. End the triple lock for under-50s. Younger workers have time to save themselves. Keep it for existing pensioners, as they can\u2019t earn extra to top up their <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/pensions\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">pensions<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>Or a variant: give the triple lock to those who have not been unemployed for more than two years over their working life.<\/p>\n<p>Crack down on age discrimination \u2013 treat it like any other discrimination. Employers who discriminate against older workers should face prosecution. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/retirement\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Retirement<\/a> ages by occupation \u2013 physically demanding jobs must allow earlier retirement. Some EU countries already do this, and it makes perfect sense. <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/life-style\/state-pension-age-retirement-b2851683.html?__vfz=medium%3Dcomment_share%7Csharer_uuid%3D00000000-0000-4000-8000-070c4c3c61ce#vf-89d5418f-ca7a-434e-8357-ff64b6fc7dd0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Musil<\/a><\/p>\n<p>People can\u2019t plan<\/p>\n<p>When the government has been changing the goalposts, people can&#8217;t be certain of anything, so can&#8217;t plan. The triple lock should have been binned to maintain the age 65 retirement age for all. The state pension should be a fixed percentage of GDP, paid out to over-65s to keep it affordable for the country whilst giving more confidence for younger generations that they will get anything at all.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/life-style\/state-pension-age-retirement-b2851683.html?__vfz=medium%3Dcomment_share%7Csharer_uuid%3D00000000-0000-4000-8000-070c4c3c61ce#vf-b2577ef0-5a8e-46cd-ae79-c048eafeed39\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">northernchimp<\/a><\/p>\n<p>A mountain of debt<\/p>\n<p>The reality is that young people leave university with a mountain of debt. At the same time, wages are low and rents or mortgages are high. How are they going to be able to live and start saving for a pension? I am not sure that there are any final salary schemes open to new joiners, and for most, they are reliant on private pension schemes.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/life-style\/state-pension-age-retirement-b2851683.html?__vfz=medium%3Dcomment_share%7Csharer_uuid%3D00000000-0000-4000-8000-070c4c3c61ce#vf-7a6a7311-510d-4de2-8cbd-3e43777a450c\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Speculator<\/a><\/p>\n<p>A much more challenging world now<\/p>\n<p>Part of the general ensh*ttification of life that seems to be going on now in the UK. When I was young, I was lucky enough to get student grants, not loans. I was able to join a defined benefit pension scheme at work and buying property was possible in my 20s.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019re now in a kind of reverse of the Monty Python \u2018Four Yorkshiremen\u2019 sketch: &#8220;we had it good\u201d. It\u2019s a much more challenging world now for young people.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/life-style\/state-pension-age-retirement-b2851683.html?__vfz=medium%3Dcomment_share%7Csharer_uuid%3D00000000-0000-4000-8000-070c4c3c61ce#vf-24783ea8-3f10-4e11-bc39-0cf2ec0ebb1f\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">RichT<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Some of the comments have been edited for this article for brevity and clarity.<\/p>\n<p>Want to share <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/your-views\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">your views<\/a>? Simply register your details below. Once registered, you can comment on the day\u2019s top stories for a chance to be featured. 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