{"id":310562,"date":"2025-11-26T19:18:18","date_gmt":"2025-11-26T19:18:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/310562\/"},"modified":"2025-11-26T19:18:18","modified_gmt":"2025-11-26T19:18:18","slug":"openai-needs-to-raise-at-least-207bn-by-2030-so-it-can-continue-to-lose-money-hsbc-estimates","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/310562\/","title":{"rendered":"OpenAI needs to raise at least $207bn by 2030 so it can continue to lose money, HSBC estimates"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Unlock the Editor\u2019s Digest for free<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__content-sign-up-topic-description o3-type-body-base\">Roula Khalaf, Editor of the FT, selects her favourite stories in this weekly newsletter.<\/p>\n<p>OpenAI is a money pit with a website on top. That much we know already, but since OpenAI is a private company, there\u2019s a lot of guesswork required when estimating the depth of the pit.<\/p>\n<p>HSBC\u2019s US software and services team has today updated its OpenAI model to include the company\u2019s $250bn rental of cloud compute from Microsoft, announced late in October, and its $38bn rental of cloud compute from Amazon announced less than a week later. The latest two deals add an extra four gigawatts of compute power to OpenAI\u2019s requirements, bringing the contracted amount to 36 gigawatts. <\/p>\n<p>Based on a total cumulative deal value of up to $1.8tn, OpenAI is heading for a data centre rental bill of about $620bn a year \u2014 though only a third of the contracted power is expected to be online by the end of this decade.<\/p>\n<p>To check OpenAI ability to pay, HSBC\u2019s team first had to build a model to forecast revenues. <\/p>\n<p>Its starting point is to put user numbers on an S-curve that by 2030 reaches 3bn, \u201cequivalent to 44 per cent of the world\u2019s adult population\u201d ex China. That\u2019s versus an estimated total user base last month of approximately 800mn:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/https:\/\/d1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net\/production\/73e3e1cb-4d8d-47ba-a355-9ec80e682cb3.png\" alt=\"\" data-image-type=\"image\" width=\"866\" height=\"437\" loading=\"lazy\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Advertising, agentic AI and possibly even <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/58b078be-e0ab-492f-9dbf-c2fe67298dd3\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Jony Ive\u2019s thing<\/a> can contribute to revenue by the end of the decade, For now, the business is mostly cajoling this user base to sign up for subscriptions.<\/p>\n<p>LLM subscriptions will become \u201cas ubiquitous and useful as Microsoft 365\u201d, HSBC says. It models that by 2030, 10 per cent of OpenAI users will be paying customers, versus an estimated 5 per cent currently. <\/p>\n<p>The team also assumes LLM companies will capture 2 per cent of the digital advertising market in revenue, from slightly more than zero currently. <\/p>\n<p>What results is gangbusters revenue growth:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#26447380\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"o-message__content-main\">Some content could not load. Check your internet connection or browser settings.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/https:\/\/public.flourish.studio\/visualisation\/26447380\/thumbnail\" alt=\"\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&#8230; but with a parallel rise in costs, meaning OpenAI is expected to still be subsidising its users well into next decade:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#26446327\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"o-message__content-main\">Some content could not load. Check your internet connection or browser settings.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/https:\/\/public.flourish.studio\/visualisation\/26446327\/thumbnail\" alt=\"\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&#8230; meaning each new OpenAI fundraise will be for shovelling cash to data centre owners:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#26448439\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"o-message__content-main\">Some content could not load. Check your internet connection or browser settings.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/https:\/\/public.flourish.studio\/visualisation\/26448439\/thumbnail\" alt=\"\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>For what it\u2019s worth, we can summarise a few of the assumptions HSBC is making for the estimates above:<\/p>\n<p>Total consumer AI revenue will be $129bn by 2030, of which $87bn comes from search and $24bn comes from advertising. <\/p>\n<p>OpenAI\u2019s consumer market share slips to 56 per cent by 2030, from around 71 per cent this year. Anthropic and xAI are both given market shares in the single digits, a mystery \u201cothers\u201d is assigned 22 per cent, and Google is excluded entirely.<\/p>\n<p>Enterprise AI will be generating $386bn in annual revenue by 2030, though OpenAI\u2019s market share is set at 37 per cent from about 50 per cent currently. Everyone else stays more or less where they are now, market share wise. <\/p>\n<p>The bottom line is that, for OpenAI, it\u2019s nowhere close to enough. <\/p>\n<p>HSBC\u2019s model assumes that OpenAI\u2019s rental costs will be a cumulative $792bn between the current year and 2030, rising to $1.4tn by 2033. The projection matches OpenAI\u2019s eight-year guidance that CEO Sam Altman is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/sam-altman-defends-openai-trillion-spending-2025-11\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">exasperated at being asked to discuss<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>OpenAI\u2019s cumulative free cash flow to 2030 may be about $282bn, it forecasts, while Nvidia\u2019s promised cash injections and the disposal of AMD shares can bring in another $26bn. The broker also includes OpenAI\u2019s $24bn of undrawn debt and equity facilities and, at the 2025 mid-year point, its $17.5bn of available liquidity. <\/p>\n<p>Squaring the first total off against the second leaves a $207bn funding hole, to which HSBC adds a $10bn cash buffer for safety\u2019s sake.<\/p>\n<p>These estimates might prove overly cautious, though guessing how is a finger-in-the-air exercise. <\/p>\n<p>Each extra 500mn users OpenAI can grab will add about $36bn to cumulative revenue between now and 2030, while converting 20 per cent of the customers to paid subscriptions might bring in an additional $194bn over the same period, HSBC says. Assumptions for LLM spend and computing costs are flexed in similar ways, though the possibility of OpenAI chancing on Artificial General Intelligence is not put through the model.<\/p>\n<p>If revenue growth doesn\u2019t exceed expectations and prospective investors turn cautious, OpenAI would need to make some hard decisions. Oracle has spooked debt markets, Microsoft\u2019s support for OpenAI has been a bit flip-flop lately, and the next-biggest shareholder <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/articles\/2025-11-25\/softbank-group-shares-tumble-on-openai-competition-worries\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">is SoftBank<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>The best worst option might be to call in some favours and walk away from data centre commitments, either before or at the usual contracted period of four to five years. HSBC says:<\/p>\n<p>Given the interlaced relationships between AI LLM, cloud, and chips companies, we see a case for some degree of flexibility at least from the larger players (less so for the neo clouds): less capacity would always be better than a liquidity crisis.<\/p>\n<p>What might not be clear from the above is that the HSBC software team is very, very bullish on AI as a concept. Here\u2019s an entirely representative section of the note:<\/p>\n<p>We expect AI to penetrate every production process and every vertical, with a great potential for productivity gains at a global level. [\u2009.\u2009.\u2009.\u2009]<\/p>\n<p>Some AI assets may be overvalued, some may be undervalued too. But eventually, a few incremental basis points of economic growth (productivity-driven) on a USD110trn+ world GDP could dwarf what is often seen as unreasonable capex spending at present.<\/p>\n<p>And when it\u2019s put like that, is $207bn to tide things over really such a big ask?<\/p>\n<p>Further reading:<br \/>\u2014 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/fce77ba4-6231-4920-9e99-693a6c38e7d5\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">How high are OpenAI\u2019s compute costs? Possibly a lot higher than we thought<\/a> (FTAV)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Unlock the Editor\u2019s Digest for free Roula Khalaf, Editor of the FT, selects her favourite stories in this&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":310563,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[256,254,255,64,63,105],"class_list":{"0":"post-310562","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-artificial-intelligence","8":"tag-ai","9":"tag-artificial-intelligence","10":"tag-artificialintelligence","11":"tag-au","12":"tag-australia","13":"tag-technology"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/310562","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=310562"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/310562\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/310563"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=310562"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=310562"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=310562"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}