{"id":423414,"date":"2026-01-19T15:01:08","date_gmt":"2026-01-19T15:01:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/423414\/"},"modified":"2026-01-19T15:01:08","modified_gmt":"2026-01-19T15:01:08","slug":"testing-for-human-immunodeficiency-virus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/423414\/","title":{"rendered":"Testing for human immunodeficiency virus"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Welcome to the Australian Prescriber Podcast. An independent,&#13;<br \/>\n                                        no-nonsense podcast for busy health professionals.<\/p>\n<p>Hi, and welcome to this Australian Prescriber Podcast. And today&#13;<br \/>\n                                          we&#8217;re going to be talking about HIV [human immunodeficiency virus] testing. I&#8217;m&#13;<br \/>\n                                          Dr. Justin Coleman, a GP in Inala Indigenous Health in Brisbane. And with me, I&#13;<br \/>\n                                          have a veritable expert on the matter of testing for HIV, and that is Louise&#13;<br \/>\n                                          Owen. Louise Owen is clinical professor at the Statewide Sexual Health Service&#13;<br \/>\n                                          at Tasmanian Health Service, and also the president of the Australian Chapter&#13;<br \/>\n                                          of Sexual Health Medicine. Welcome to our humble podcast, Louise.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you very much, Justin. Thank you for having me, and I look&#13;<br \/>\n                                        forward to our chat.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you. And I very much enjoyed reading your article in&#13;<br \/>\n                                          Australian Prescriber, Testing for Human Immunodeficiency Virus. One thing was&#13;<br \/>\n                                          just to keep up with the stats in Australia. So to quote from your article,&#13;<br \/>\n                                          there&#8217;s about 30,000 people currently in Australia living with HIV as a recent&#13;<br \/>\n                                          stat. And there were 757 new diagnoses in 2024. Although over the past decade,&#13;<br \/>\n                                          there&#8217;s been a very welcome decline in overall new HIV diagnoses. It&#8217;s declined&#13;<br \/>\n                                          by around about a quarter. And you mentioned in the article that, in&#13;<br \/>\n                                          particular, that reduction is largely among gay, bisexual, and other men who&#13;<br \/>\n                                          have sex with men. What do you put the decline down to, and does that alter&#13;<br \/>\n                                          what we do in terms of testing?<\/p>\n<p>Well, we know that testing is important, that people are aware of&#13;<br \/>\n                                        their status, so that those people diagnosed with HIV can be linked to care.&#13;<br \/>\n                                        And in Australia, we have a really good cascade of care where we think that&#13;<br \/>\n                                        probably 92% of people living with HIV are actually aware of their status, and&#13;<br \/>\n                                        97% of those are on treatment, and 98% of them have an undetectable viral load.&#13;<br \/>\n                                        So we&#8217;re testing to detect cases so that we can get people into care and reduce&#13;<br \/>\n                                        onward transmission. So the great news about the decline in HIV diagnoses each&#13;<br \/>\n                                        year is related to our excellent responses in the prevention space&#13;<br \/>\n                                        particularly, and that is the rollout of PrEP or pre-exposure HIV prophylaxis.&#13;<br \/>\n                                        And that has been widely taken up in Australia with initial demonstration&#13;<br \/>\n                                        projects and now on the PBS [Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme] available for GPs&#13;<br \/>\n                                        to prescribe, and also available for Medicare-ineligible patients either&#13;<br \/>\n                                        through their GPs, through online providers, or sexual health services.<\/p>\n<p>And there&#8217;s a wonderful new initiative rolling out at the moment&#13;<br \/>\n                                        with some increased federal funding to particularly target Medicare-ineligible&#13;<br \/>\n                                        people who may be at risk of HIV acquisition for them to access PrEP across&#13;<br \/>\n                                        Australia. So those things have really helped the decline in HIV diagnoses and&#13;<br \/>\n                                        also people on active treatment with antiretroviral therapy who have an&#13;<br \/>\n                                        undetectable viral load have no risk of transmitting the virus sexually. And so&#13;<br \/>\n                                        we have treatment as prevention as well.<\/p>\n<p>Undetectable equals untransmissible. I think that&#8217;s a wonderful&#13;<br \/>\n                                          phrase you also mentioned in the article. So we&#8217;re not going to look at the&#13;<br \/>\n                                          treatment any further during this particular podcast. So we&#8217;re really looking&#13;<br \/>\n                                          at those 8% of people you mentioned living with HIV in Australia who are&#13;<br \/>\n                                          unaware of their HIV status and ways in which we can cut that number down and&#13;<br \/>\n                                          detect that. But without the universal testing, which is applied in some other&#13;<br \/>\n                                          countries based upon a higher prevalence of HIV. So we&#8217;re going to talk about&#13;<br \/>\n                                          where to concentrate our testing with a view that if you get this early, it&#13;<br \/>\n                                          really does make a difference because the early initiation of the therapy gives&#13;<br \/>\n                                          almost no drop in life expectancy compared to those without HIV.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, that&#8217;s right, Justin. But unfortunately, a number of the&#13;<br \/>\n                                        diagnoses in the last statistics of 757 new ones, a considerable number of&#13;<br \/>\n                                        those were late diagnoses. So that means the person is likely to had HIV for&#13;<br \/>\n                                        some time, have a decreased CD4 count, the immune cell count, and often have&#13;<br \/>\n                                        had a number of medical conditions relating to that whilst not perhaps AIDS-defining&#13;<br \/>\n                                        illnesses. And so yes, there&#8217;s a significant health impact and public health&#13;<br \/>\n                                        impact and health cost to that undiagnosed HIV case. So our testing push is&#13;<br \/>\n                                        towards elimination of HIV transmission, and if people are aware of their&#13;<br \/>\n                                        status, we can impact on that. And the current HIV task force led by the&#13;<br \/>\n                                        Minister for Health is looking at that and all the different ways that we can&#13;<br \/>\n                                        impact on that.<\/p>\n<p>Okay. So looking at that 8% of people who potentially we need to&#13;<br \/>\n                                          be finding out whether they have HIV, let&#8217;s look at what populations we should&#13;<br \/>\n                                          be testing, given it&#8217;s not universal. The first one in Australia is antenatal&#13;<br \/>\n                                          screening. That&#8217;s universal during the antenatal period, and that&#8217;s&#13;<br \/>\n                                          standardised cross Australia. All guidelines recommend that. The second big&#13;<br \/>\n                                          category is during STI [sexually transmissible infection] screening. Can you&#13;<br \/>\n                                          just talk to me about that?<\/p>\n<p>If I can just add, Justin, of course, we&#8217;re adding the syphilis&#13;<br \/>\n                                        test for the antenatal population and at least 3 tests for all pregnancies and&#13;<br \/>\n                                        sometimes more in areas of high syphilis prevalence. Just can&#8217;t go past saying&#13;<br \/>\n                                        something about that. Thank you. So in terms of STI screening or testing, HIV&#13;<br \/>\n                                        and syphilis testing are part of routine screening for all epidemiological risk&#13;<br \/>\n                                        groups. So if we can normalise that testing and majority of these tests will be&#13;<br \/>\n                                        negative, we are putting in place the normalisation of testing and making it&#13;<br \/>\n                                        easy for the clinician and the patients to seek that. Within that group, of&#13;<br \/>\n                                        course, depending on the sexual risk and practices of the patient, it&#13;<br \/>\n                                        determines what other tests we might be doing. And there&#8217;s really fantastic&#13;<br \/>\n                                        guidelines for everyone out there on the Australian stiguidelines.org.au, which&#13;<br \/>\n                                        can break it down by population group. So you may be seeing a person who&#8217;s assigned&#13;<br \/>\n                                        male at birth who has sex with other men, and it will talk about which sites&#13;<br \/>\n                                        that should be tested along with the HIV, syphilis, and hepatitis B screening&#13;<br \/>\n                                        tests.<\/p>\n<p>And then of course, there may be other risks such as people who&#13;<br \/>\n                                        may inject drugs or people who have been incarcerated, people who&#8217;ve travelled&#13;<br \/>\n                                        to high-prevalence countries or had risk behaviours with people from high-prevalence&#13;<br \/>\n                                        risk countries. So we can pop STI discussions into our pre-travel conversations&#13;<br \/>\n                                        with our patients and certainly on their return from travel to consider HIV and&#13;<br \/>\n                                        syphilis testing as part of that.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a particular subgroup where testing is recommended&#13;<br \/>\n                                          approximately every 3\u00a0months, which is distinct from some of the STI&#13;<br \/>\n                                          testing, which we&#8217;ll be doing in general practice opportunistically or when&#13;<br \/>\n                                          there are symptoms.<\/p>\n<p>Yes. So certainly there are guidelines around people&#8217;s sexual&#13;<br \/>\n                                        practices, particularly those patients on PrEP. The current guidelines do&#13;<br \/>\n                                        recommend STI testing every 3\u00a0months, and that&#8217;s in line with the PrEP&#13;<br \/>\n                                        prescription most often for people who are on daily PrEP.<\/p>\n<p>And a brief mention of healthcare workers. In my job, I do a lot&#13;<br \/>\n                                          of skin excisions and joint injections and things like that, but I don&#8217;t&#13;<br \/>\n                                          believe that puts me at particularly high risk. It&#8217;s really for where you&#8217;re&#13;<br \/>\n                                          handling sharps in body cavities, which are not necessarily in your view at all&#13;<br \/>\n                                          times.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s right. And so practitioners who are conducting such&#13;<br \/>\n                                        examinations or procedures do need to be aware of their status, Justin. And if&#13;<br \/>\n                                        they are diagnosed with a bloodborne virus, then they are required to be linked&#13;<br \/>\n                                        to a specialist care. And in the case of HIV, have undetectable viral load and&#13;<br \/>\n                                        linkage with a specialist.<\/p>\n<p>Just to clarify, the procedures you&#8217;re talking about are, for&#13;<br \/>\n                                          example, open abdominal or thoracic procedures, not office procedures.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s correct, yes. And there is an excellent guideline [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.cdc.gov.au\/resources\/collections\/cdna-national-guidelines-healthcare-workers-bbv\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">CDNA National&#13;<br \/>\n                                          Guidelines for healthcare workers on managing bloodborne viruses<\/a>] that we&#13;<br \/>\n                                        can put the link in with the Australian guidelines for practitioners.<\/p>\n<p>Wonderful. Thank you. Now, Louise Owen, I would like to move on&#13;<br \/>\n                                          now to these HIV indicator conditions. Some of these things, of course, happily&#13;<br \/>\n                                          we see very rarely these days such as Kaposi sarcoma, which when I was a&#13;<br \/>\n                                          medical student was sadly becoming common throughout the &#8217;90s, but some of them&#13;<br \/>\n                                          we might not think of as potential HIV indicator conditions because they&#8217;re&#13;<br \/>\n                                          often caused by other things, but we should be testing those. So there are 3&#13;<br \/>\n                                          categories of these conditions. Could you run us through those?<\/p>\n<p>So we&#8217;re thinking about the well-known AIDS-defining illnesses as&#13;<br \/>\n                                        the first category. So if a patient presents with pneumonia and it&#8217;s thought to&#13;<br \/>\n                                        be pneumocystis pneumonia, then majority of clinicians, hospitals, ICUs&#13;<br \/>\n                                        [intensive care units], EDs [emergency departments] would be running a HIV test&#13;<br \/>\n                                        for that patient. Other less well-known AIDS-defining illness include cervical&#13;<br \/>\n                                        cancer, Kaposi sarcoma, Hodgkin lymphoma, and also oesophageal candidiasis. But&#13;<br \/>\n                                        we could be possibly sure that some people in those categories are not getting&#13;<br \/>\n                                        a HIV test, and some may well have a reason why they have oesophageal&#13;<br \/>\n                                        candidiasis. But the question is, should we rule out HIV?<\/p>\n<p>And then there&#8217;s a group which perhaps your average GP might come&#13;<br \/>\n                                          across a bit more often because they&#8217;re not very specific for being caused by&#13;<br \/>\n                                          HIV, but they can be caused by it. And I think the calculation is that if the&#13;<br \/>\n                                          HIV prevalence is more than 0.1% or higher, then that&#8217;s when we test. What are&#13;<br \/>\n                                          those conditions?<\/p>\n<p>These are conditions that do come across the daily desk of our&#13;<br \/>\n                                        colleagues in general practice, such as unexplained weight loss, unexplained&#13;<br \/>\n                                        diarrhoea, thrombocytopenia, multidermatomal shingles, or recurrent bacterial&#13;<br \/>\n                                        pneumonia. Any STI should prompt HIV and syphilis testing, of course, as should&#13;<br \/>\n                                        the diagnosis of hepatitis\u00a0B or C. So many of these situations on their&#13;<br \/>\n                                        own may not be much of an alert, but particularly we could look at our patients&#13;<br \/>\n                                        and say, &#8216;Hmm, there may have been one\u00a0or 2 of these conditions in the&#13;<br \/>\n                                        last 12\u00a0months. We need to rule out HIV.&#8217; And in these situations, it&#8217;s&#13;<br \/>\n                                        ideal that the clinician could ask a sexual history, but perhaps that will not&#13;<br \/>\n                                        be very helpful because perhaps this is a person who doesn&#8217;t have any&#13;<br \/>\n                                        identifiable risk factors, but perhaps may be at risk from their partner or&#13;<br \/>\n                                        past activities. And so the clinician then says, &#8216;You have this condition,&#13;<br \/>\n                                        insert thrombocytopenia or other clinical indicator condition. I suggest we&#13;<br \/>\n                                      need to do a number of tests and we should rule out HIV.&#8217;<\/p>\n<p>A lot of this is now on the HealthPathways, Justin, which can help&#13;<br \/>\n                                        GPs look when they&#8217;re doing a thrombocytopenia screen. HIV is up there ahead of&#13;<br \/>\n                                        doing a bone marrow biopsy, for example. And at $15 a test, yes, it is deemed&#13;<br \/>\n                                        to be cost effective if the prevalence is thought to be 0.1% or more. Now, we&#13;<br \/>\n                                        do get asked, &#8216;Well, how do we know what the prevalence is in our population?&#8217;&#13;<br \/>\n                                        And these are based mainly on European studies, but in our quest to get to&#13;<br \/>\n                                        zero, we do feel that it&#8217;s cost effective to order the $15 test. In these&#13;<br \/>\n                                        situations, often we have ruled it out and the patient doesn&#8217;t need multiple&#13;<br \/>\n                                        HIV tests, unlike the scenario where someone has an ongoing or intermittent&#13;<br \/>\n                                      sexual risk or other practices that puts them at risk.<\/p>\n<p>And the third and final category is where you really can&#8217;t afford&#13;<br \/>\n                                          to be missing HIV.<\/p>\n<p>Yes. And this is often done as part of a standard workup for&#13;<br \/>\n                                        people who are receiving systemic chemotherapy or immune-modulating therapies.&#13;<br \/>\n                                        So we&#8217;re just raising awareness, is that happening or are people putting a&#13;<br \/>\n                                        judgement on whether or not someone might be at risk of HIV and doing a test&#13;<br \/>\n                                        only in that scenario? So the aim is that if you&#8217;re about to start systemic&#13;<br \/>\n                                        chemotherapy as part of the ruling out prior to that treatment, then HIV&#13;<br \/>\n                                        testing workup would be recommended.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s move on to the tests themselves. As most would be aware,&#13;<br \/>\n                                          there is a window period for a test, which isn&#8217;t perhaps so relevant for&#13;<br \/>\n                                          someone at continuous risk or in one of those categories we mentioned, but&#13;<br \/>\n                                          certainly might be relevant for someone who&#8217;s had a recent episode where they&#13;<br \/>\n                                          may have come into contact with HIV, for example, a recent other sexually&#13;<br \/>\n                                          transmitted infection, and there you can get that false negative early on if&#13;<br \/>\n                                          you test too early.<\/p>\n<p>Yes. So the GP or other clinician is really just asking for HIV&#13;<br \/>\n                                        serology test and send that off. The lab then does one of the fourth-or fifth-generation&#13;<br \/>\n                                        tests, which is looking for antibody and antigen that are produced and detected&#13;<br \/>\n                                        in the test. So very early infection, known as the window period as you&#13;<br \/>\n                                        mentioned, may not be detected. And so it is good to have a history in terms of&#13;<br \/>\n                                        the explicit risk that the person may have had and then recommending retesting&#13;<br \/>\n                                        within 6\u00a0to 12\u00a0weeks after that risk. So it can be reassuring about&#13;<br \/>\n                                        every other, for example, sexual risk they may have had prior to this most&#13;<br \/>\n                                        recent one, but we&#8217;ve still in the window period.<\/p>\n<p>So Louise, until I read your article, I was unaware there was such&#13;<br \/>\n                                          a thing as a point-of-care rapid HIV test. Where are they recommended? Who&#13;<br \/>\n                                          should be using them?<\/p>\n<p>Well, the rapid point-of-care testing are usually used by&#13;<br \/>\n                                        healthcare workers and often in remote, regional areas. For example, our&#13;<br \/>\n                                        hepatitis\u00a0C nurses who are outreach can take hepatitis\u00a0C and HIV&#13;<br \/>\n                                        point-of-care tests with them. So the most common setting would be in outreach&#13;<br \/>\n                                        or rural and remote settings. And again, this is a really great extra tool that&#13;<br \/>\n                                        we have to exclude HIV quickly, understanding the window period that may be&#13;<br \/>\n                                        slightly longer than the laboratory tests, but any reactive point-of-care test&#13;<br \/>\n                                        would be followed with a serological test for confirmation.<\/p>\n<p>So like most point-of-care tests, they&#8217;re a very useful screening&#13;<br \/>\n                                          tool where you may otherwise not get the person to have the formal test, but of&#13;<br \/>\n                                          course any equivocal result or positive result you&#8217;d want to back up with a&#13;<br \/>\n                                          formal lab test as they&#8217;re not going to be quite as good.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s right. It&#8217;s great. And there&#8217;s also the rapid self-testing,&#13;<br \/>\n                                        which is available for people to apply online to get a free test delivered to&#13;<br \/>\n                                        the address of their choice. They are available on vending machines and other&#13;<br \/>\n                                        community providers. And this is another opportunity for people to self-select&#13;<br \/>\n                                        and have a test that they can do at home. If that test is reactive, of course&#13;<br \/>\n                                        it&#8217;s recommended they reach out to a clinical service to have further testing&#13;<br \/>\n                                        and care.<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;ll end now on what to do with a negative result and a positive&#13;<br \/>\n                                          result. We&#8217;ve sort of covered the negative one in the sense that we take it in&#13;<br \/>\n                                          clinical context. Is it in the window period? Are they at ongoing risk and will&#13;<br \/>\n                                          need further tests? But the HIV serology is really very accurate. It&#8217;s a&#13;<br \/>\n                                          sensitive and specific test more so than most other tests we order actually in&#13;<br \/>\n                                          general practice. I&#8217;m particularly interested what we do and what the lab does&#13;<br \/>\n                                          with a positive result.<\/p>\n<p>Well, the initial screening test or the ELISA [enzyme-linked&#13;<br \/>\n                                        immunosorbent assay] test looking for the antibodies and antigen test, if that&#13;<br \/>\n                                        is reactive, then that is followed on by a more sensitive and specific test,&#13;<br \/>\n                                        which may be the Western blot, or in some cases, an RNA test to detect the HIV&#13;<br \/>\n                                        virus. And again, as you mentioned, a positive test in this regard is highly&#13;<br \/>\n                                        sensitive and specific and conclusive of HIV infection.<\/p>\n<p>And in that case, the laboratory certainly automatically notifies&#13;<br \/>\n                                        public health, but also in the majority of cases would be contacting the&#13;<br \/>\n                                        clinician who ordered the test. And I guess thinking about the statistics of&#13;<br \/>\n                                        0.1% and the clinical indicator condition prevalence, GPs are likely to order a&#13;<br \/>\n                                        lot of tests and not have a positive, but we want to reassure you that if you&#13;<br \/>\n                                        were to have a positive result, there will be assistance available very quickly&#13;<br \/>\n                                        from your local sexual health service, ID [infectious diseases] service, or&#13;<br \/>\n                                        other experts to assist the clinician who&#8217;s made the diagnosis with linking the&#13;<br \/>\n                                        patient to care and getting them onto treatment really quickly. And Australia&#13;<br \/>\n                                        again is doing really well with that and antiretroviral medication is free to&#13;<br \/>\n                                        people without Medicare as well. And it&#8217;s available, of course, for people with&#13;<br \/>\n                                        Medicare, but there may be a dispensing fee. Just a clarification there.<\/p>\n<p>Wonderful. Clinical Professor Louise Owen, thanks for joining us.&#13;<br \/>\n                                          There&#8217;s lots of information in that article if anyone wants to follow up on&#13;<br \/>\n                                          anything we&#8217;ve discussed, in particular, the 3 categories of the HIV indicator&#13;<br \/>\n                                          conditions. Thanks for coming along today and helping clarify it all.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks, Justin. It&#8217;s been great to chat to you today.<\/p>\n<p>[Music]<\/p>\n<p>The views of the hosts and the guests on this podcast are their&#13;<br \/>\n                                          own and may not represent Australian Prescriber or Therapeutic Guidelines. <\/p>\n<p>Louise Owen is the President of the Australasian Chapter of Sexual&#13;<br \/>\n                                          Health Medicine and previous co-Vice President of the ASHM Board. Louise&#13;<br \/>\n                                          contributed to the development of the ASHM Post-Exposure Prophylaxis for HIV&#13;<br \/>\n                                          Guidelines, for which she received an honorarium, as well as the development of&#13;<br \/>\n                                          ASHM&#8217;s HIV s100 Prescriber Course. 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