{"id":499634,"date":"2026-02-23T22:05:13","date_gmt":"2026-02-23T22:05:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/499634\/"},"modified":"2026-02-23T22:05:13","modified_gmt":"2026-02-23T22:05:13","slug":"simon-burke-on-how-19-years-of-play-school-fed-into-the-elocution-of-benjamin-franklin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/499634\/","title":{"rendered":"Simon Burke on how 19 years of Play School fed into The Elocution of Benjamin Franklin"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">In rehearsals for his latest play, The Elocution of Benjamin Franklin, Simon Burke sometimes found himself falling into the rhythms of Play School.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">The veteran actor \u2014 who recently celebrated 50 years on stage \u2014 hosted ABC TV&#8217;s award-winning kids show for 19 years, from 1988 to 2007.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Now he&#8217;s on stage in The Elocution of Benjamin Franklin by Steve J Spears, as Robert O&#8217;Brien, an elocution teacher living and working in the eastern suburbs of Sydney in the mid-70s.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Warning: This story contains language that some readers may find offensive.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Robert is also a gay man, who dresses in make-up and women&#8217;s clothes and flirts with a poster of Mick Jagger. His life is up-ended when he meets a new student, 12-year-old acting prodigy Benjamin, who appears confident in his sexuality.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">It will be almost a decade before <a class=\"Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/news\/2015-08-24\/timeline:-australian-states-decriminalise-male-homosexuality\/6719702\" data-component=\"Link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">homosexuality is decriminalised<\/a> in New South Wales in 1984, after anti-discrimination laws were passed in 1982.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">So, Robert hides his identity to keep his job, teaching students in his home how to overcome their stutters and stammers. In one lesson, he says: &#8220;Tong tong tong a tong tong. That is the rhythm of the elephant&#8217;s song.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"In a rehearsal room, furnished in a 70s style, Simon Burke, 64, sits, legs crossed, looking exasperated, a pen in one hand.\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/329507295efe3861d718dbcc56b08a48.jpeg\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">&#8220;Whether it&#8217;s Play School or Benjamin Franklin or Moulin Rouge, [acting is] all about truth,&#8221; Burke says. (Supplied: Griffin\/Brett Boardman)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Filming a trailer for the play for Griffin Theatre Company, Burke recited the elocution exercise \u2014 and he couldn&#8217;t help but galumph around the room to the rhythm.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;There were seven crew in the room and they went: &#8216;Play School&#8217;,&#8221; Burke says, with a laugh.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;The whole thing about Play School is that it&#8217;s about being yourself and talking to one person.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;You&#8217;re not talking to a million four-year olds around Australia or a class of four-year-olds.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;I do bring that to [the theatre].&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>What Play School teaches actors<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Burke is always flattered when he&#8217;s approached by people who remember watching him on Play School.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;There&#8217;s a big difference between being recognised from telly, from a drama or Home and Away or something you&#8217;ve done, and being recognised by someone who grew up with you,&#8221; he says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;It&#8217;s a different relationship. A four-year-old doesn&#8217;t really distinguish between someone in the room and someone on television, and you see them every day.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"A TV still of Monica Trapaga, mid-20s, and Simon Burke, 30, smiling brightly in fire helmets, carrying an easel together.\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/5f6127a2c6faebd2e825eeb49891ad8d.jpeg\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Burke with his Play School co-host Monica Trapaga in 1991. (Supplied: ABC TV)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">The show also offered him unexpected opportunities.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Performing in Three Furies by Stephen Sewell, a cabaret about the artist Francis Bacon, in 2005, he became fed up with the rigorous approach of the director Jim Sharman.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;He was pushing me and pushing me and pushing me,&#8221; Burke says. &#8220;I lost my shit one day, and I said, &#8216;If I&#8217;m that bad, why did you cast me?'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">One reason was Play School. &#8220;[I love] the fact that a director like Jim Sharman would see Play School [and cast me],&#8221; Burke says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">It&#8217;s not the only role where he&#8217;s found himself slipping into &#8220;pure Play School&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">For two years, from 2021 to 2023, he played Harold Zidler, the owner and MC of Moulin Rouge in the musical.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"On stage, Simon Burke, early 60s, in a top hat, coat and tails, holds a cane in the air, setting off confetti.\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/76b91ad8aa67d14ea98ae24997fad108.jpeg\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Burke told The Stage Show he played Harold Zidler for three years because &#8220;every single night was just a total joy&#8221;. (Supplied: Global Creatures\/Tim Carrafa)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;I used to do a kangaroo hop sometimes,&#8221; he says. &#8220;I was so stupid.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;But that&#8217;s the other thing: Play School encourages you to be stupid, to be like a dumb-dumb, and own that.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">He reckons he was &#8220;famously&#8221; the worst host at craft, drawing clocks upside down for the camera that looked more like the paintings of Salvador Dali.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"A TV still of Noni Hazlehurst and Simon Burke in C1990, smiling brightly, with a tray of fruit and veggies made of paper.\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/f5b78be0783c0eb26431c8a299fdaad8.jpeg\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Burke with Play School co-host Noni Hazlehurst. He credits the show as helping him learn to think quickly on stage. (Supplied: ABC TV)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;They would always give me the craft to do, because a four-year-old looks at that, and goes then, &#8216;Well, if [he] can do it, anyone can&#8217;,&#8221; he says.<\/p>\n<p>New challenges<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">As an actor, Burke is always looking to pursue new challenges \u2014 like the craft elements of Play School.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;At every stage of my life and my career, I&#8217;ve always tried to go one way, and then I like to go completely the other way and just do something I&#8217;ve never done before,&#8221; he says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">The challenge of The Elocution of Benjamin Franklin is being entirely alone on stage for more than 90 minutes.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">The one-man show is a &#8220;tour de force&#8221; for an actor, Burke says. After its premiere in Sydney in 1976, it toured around Australia, to London and America, earning Off-Broadway awards for writer Steve J Spears, its star Gordon Chater and director Richard Wherrett.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Forty-five years later, in 2020, Griffin artistic director Declan Greene \u2014 who Burke worked with in 2017, on Greene&#8217;s play The Homosexuals, or &#8216;Faggots&#8217; \u2014 handed him the play to read.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"A close-up of Simon Burke, in his mid-50s, sleeveless, yelling on stage. A man in a wig is upset, blurred, behind him.\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/224700fd0bc407604e41e690569f06b0.jpeg\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Burke with Simon Corfield in The Homosexuals, or &#8216;Faggots&#8217; in 2017. He&#8217;s effusive in his praise for its writer and his director on The Elocution of Benjamin Franklin, Declan Greene. (Supplied: Griffin\/Brett Boardman)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">The director says he wanted Burke to play Robert because he has the right mix of skill and charisma.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;The character can easily get the audience offside sometimes because of who he is and how he behaves and the things he says,&#8221; Greene says.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;But Simon is just so instantly lovable and funny and warm.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">A year after receiving the play, Burke hosted an informal reading at his home. Performing as Robert he was immediately drawn to the &#8220;theatricality, bravado, campery and the command of language&#8221; in Spears&#8217;s work.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;Then at the same time, you&#8217;re watching a person disintegrate,&#8221; he says.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I think it&#8217;s one of the greatest roles ever written, really.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">But it took about six years for Greene and Burke to decide it was the right time to bring it to the stage \u2014 in its 50th anniversary year.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">In the meantime, Burke took on Moulin Rouge! the Musical and the Wizard of Oz in Wicked, as well as The Inheritance, a play that transplants EM Forster&#8217;s 1910 novel Howard&#8217;s End to the queer community in today&#8217;s New York.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"On stage, Simon Burke, early 60s, in a top hat, glasses and coat, holds out one arm, the other holding a broomstick.\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/d907330eda3f61fccec3286d76582191.jpeg\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Burke saw Wicked in Sydney long before he joined the cast, and was struck by its &#8220;gripping&#8221; story. (Supplied: Jeff Busby)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;I love going from a 2,000-seat theatre to an 80-seat theatre to a short film,&#8221; he says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">The Inheritance, in which he played both Morgan, a kind of spiritual guide, and AIDS survivor Walter Poole, gave Burke the confidence to take on The Elocution of Benjamin Franklin.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;One of the characters I played in that play [Walter] has a 20-minute monologue,&#8221; he says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">It was good preparation for playing Robert. &#8220;One of the reasons why I did [The Inheritance] was getting my head around not getting sick of the sound of my voice,&#8221; Burke says.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"On stage, bathed in blue light, sits Simon Burke, early 60s, in a three-piece suit, waggling a finger at Tom Rodgers, mid-20s..\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/9a878f0211a27b02087ce4a27b569179.jpeg\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">The Inheritance, starring Tom Rodgers and Simon Burke, ran for more than six hours over two parts and won three Sydney Theatre Awards including best ensemble. (Supplied: Phil Erbacher)<\/p>\n<p>Back to the beginning<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">For Greene, the political climate of 2026 feels like the right time to revive The Elocution of Benjamin Franklin.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Declan Greene, early 40s, sits in a 70s-style chair in rehearsal room, laptop on his lap, leaning to the side.\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/a0b4ad69a1bc1242c1f0ca539f3e4ea5.jpeg\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">When he first read The Elocution of Benjamin Franklin as a teenager, Greene thought: &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe you&#8217;re allowed to do this.&#8221; (Supplied: Griffin\/Brett Boardman)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;We&#8217;re watching this emergent moral hysteria unfolding across the world,&#8221; he explains, pointing to <a class=\"Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/news\/2023-05-05\/drag-queen-story-time-event-cancelled-by-monash-council\/102307058\" data-component=\"Link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">threats made to libraries and performers over drag story time events<\/a> and the inflammatory opinions of American politician Marjorie Taylor Greene.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;The rise of this wild demonisation of queer people as just being inherently dangerous to children suddenly put this frame around this work I thought was really interesting.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Staging The Elocution of Benjamin Franklin in the year of its 50th anniversary also coincides with Griffin temporarily moving into Belvoir St Theatre&#8217;s downstairs performing space, as redevelopment continues at its home in Kings Cross.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">That brings the play back to the exact same stage where it premiered in 1976, then known as Nimrod Downstairs.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">It also returns Burke to the theatre where he made his professional stage debut in Kookaburra in 1974, at just 13 years old.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;When I was 12 years old, Benjamin Franklin&#8217;s age, I auditioned for my first play there,&#8221; he recalls.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">For the audition, the director, Wherrett \u2014 who later helmed the debut of The Elocution of Benjamin Franklin \u2014 handed Burke a page of swear words and asked him to read it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;I thought to myself, &#8216;I know what this guy wants me to do. He just wants to see if I&#8217;m scared of these words&#8217;,&#8221; Burke <a class=\"Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/listen\/programs\/the-stage-show\/simon-burke-wicked-50-years-on-stage-the-devils-playground\/103693708\" data-component=\"Link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">told ABC Radio National&#8217;s now-defunct The Stage Show<\/a> in 2024.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/listen\/programs\/the-stage-show\/simon-burke-wicked-50-years-on-stage-the-devils-playground\/103693708\" data-component=\"FullBleedLink\" class=\"RelatedCard_link__rsgR9 FullBleedLink_root__lTw_U interactive_focusContext__yRhc_ interactive_defaults__AKxUU FullBleedLink_showVisited__g3Xvz\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Listen to Simon Burke on ABC Radio National&#8217;s The Stage Show in 2024<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;I just started screaming these words. And at the end of it, he said, &#8216;Hmm, maybe you should work with us in this play&#8217;.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Now, Burke looks back and sees a similarity between his meeting with Wherrett and Robert meeting Benjamin.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;He comes for a lesson and [Robert] sort of puts him through his paces to see if he has got anything to offer as a young actor,&#8221; Burke says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">Both Burke and The Elocution of Benjamin Franklin returning to the theatre where they began feels meaningful to the actor.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\">&#8220;It&#8217;s quite a potent sort of serendipity to me, just personally,&#8221; he says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph__iYReA\"><a class=\"Link_link__5eL5m ScreenReaderOnly_srLinkHint__OysWz Link_showVisited__C1Fea Link_showFocus__ALyv2\" href=\"https:\/\/griffintheatre.com.au\/whats-on\/the-elocution-of-benjamin-franklin\/\" data-component=\"Link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">The Elocution of Benjamin Franklin<\/a> is at Belvoir Downstairs, Sydney, until March 29.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"In rehearsals for his latest play, The Elocution of Benjamin Franklin, Simon Burke sometimes found himself falling into&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":499635,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[64,63,110297,251337,134,28788,251332,251335,251333,251334,251330,251336,251331],"class_list":["post-499634","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-entertainment","tag-au","tag-australia","tag-australian-theatre","tag-declan-greene","tag-entertainment","tag-griffin","tag-griffin-theatre-company","tag-griffin-theatre-sydney","tag-play-school","tag-simon-bourke","tag-simon-burke","tag-steve-j-spears","tag-the-elocution-of-benjamin-franklin"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/499634","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=499634"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/499634\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/499635"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=499634"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=499634"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=499634"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}