{"id":50698,"date":"2025-08-07T15:37:09","date_gmt":"2025-08-07T15:37:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/50698\/"},"modified":"2025-08-07T15:37:09","modified_gmt":"2025-08-07T15:37:09","slug":"non-binary-battle-after-63-year-old-perth-worker-sacked-for-calling-colleague-he-not-they","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/50698\/","title":{"rendered":"Non-binary battle after 63-year-old Perth worker sacked for calling colleague \u2018he\u2019 not \u2018they\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">A 63-year-old Perth man has been sacked from his high-paying job after he called a non-binary colleague \u201che\u201d instead of \u201cthey\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">The case went to the Fair Work Commission after the fired worker claimed wrongful dismissal, but the matter was kept under wraps because the conciliation conference was confidential.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">The identities of the two people at the centre of the pronoun controversy and the name of their employer is not publicly available information, but details leaked out after lawyers started talking about the implications of the case.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">The West Australian understands the legal fight erupted after an exchange at a leadership training course in February, when the man said \u201che\u201d while introducing the younger co-worker to the room.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">Another staff member corrected him and the man apologised to the worker \u2014 a biological male who identified neither a man nor a woman.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">The non gender-specific employee had earlier told the man that they wanted to be referred to as \u201cthey\u201d and the pronoun was written on their name badge.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">Relations between the pair remained overtly cordial for the duration of the training day. They sat next to each other and were partners in various role-playing scenarios.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">The older worker was later informed by his manager that a formal complaint had been lodged, and a written apology was required.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">He refused, claiming nobody could be compelled to call a colleague \u201cthey\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">He later told a Fair Work hearing that if one person had the arbitrary right to use a particular pronoun then another person had the right not to.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">The decision to not apologise exacerbated an already harsh backlash from co-workers, many of whom were in their 20s and had sided with their non-binary colleague.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">The company launched an investigation in March and the older worker was shown the door.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">He claimed his dismissal was unlawful and sought legal advice, intending to take the matter to the Federal Court.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">The matter was shuffled to Fair Work, where he was told he risked a violent social backlash if he pursued the matter in open court. It was with that in mind he reached a confidential settlement with his former employer.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">The case is unusual because it is not tinged with religious overtones. The sacked worker\u2019s refusal to say sorry in writing was not motivated by faith, rather from a belief he was being bullied into accepting a position on gender politics.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">Lavan Legal partner Bruno Di Girolami, who specialises in workplace law, said the case was \u201cnew legal territory\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">\u201cThis situation would broadly fall within equal opportunity legislation,\u201d Mr Di Girolami said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">\u201cThose laws say that you cannot be discriminated against based on gender or intersex status. So, if a company had a policy that employees would not be called \u2018they\u2019 or \u2018them\u2019 then that would likely be actionable by a transgender or non-binary employee on the grounds it is discriminatory, but each case would turn on the facts.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">Lawyers who spoke to The West Australian about the case said there did not appear to be a legal right for someone to be called \u2018they\u2019 or \u2018them\u2019 and it was up to individual companies to articulate pronoun convention.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">It is understood that the company who employed the 63-year-old did not have a pronoun policy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">Gender politics have dominated headlines over the past few days courtesy of transgender woman Roxanne Tickle going to court to prove that female-only spaces were illegal if they excluded trans women.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">Gay and trans rights advocates Equality Australia has thrown its weight behind Ms Tickle\u2019s fight with Giggle app founder Sall Grover.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">Ms Grover had rejected Ms Tickle from the female-only networking app on the grounds the applicant was born a man. The Lesbian Action Group has thrown in behind Ms Grover.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-9cqv6l-StyledPNParagraph e8utp6u0\">Equality Australia\u2019s application to get involved in the case will be decided on August 4, when Ms Grover\u2019s appeal is heard.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"A 63-year-old Perth man has been sacked from his high-paying job after he called a non-binary colleague \u201che\u201d&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":50699,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[64,63,23800,44,45],"class_list":{"0":"post-50698","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-australia","8":"tag-au","9":"tag-australia","10":"tag-courts-justice","11":"tag-news","12":"tag-wa-news"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/50698","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=50698"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/50698\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/50699"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=50698"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=50698"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=50698"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}