{"id":649330,"date":"2026-05-04T16:17:16","date_gmt":"2026-05-04T16:17:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/649330\/"},"modified":"2026-05-04T16:17:16","modified_gmt":"2026-05-04T16:17:16","slug":"wikipedia-founder-brands-australias-social-media-ban-an-unmitigated-disaster-and-embarrassment-social-media-ban","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/649330\/","title":{"rendered":"Wikipedia founder brands Australia\u2019s social media ban an \u2018unmitigated disaster\u2019 and \u2018embarrassment\u2019 | Social media ban"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Wikipedia\u2019s founder, Jimmy Wales, has branded the Australian social media ban an \u201cunmitigated disaster\u201d and an \u201cembarrassment\u201d that is teaching kids to accept surveillance from tech companies when they go online.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">The online encyclopaedia that anyone can edit was born in a world before social media, in 2001. But Wales told Guardian Australia that many of the ills of social media existed even in the earlier stages of the internet.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cBefore social media, before Wikipedia, there was Usenet, which was like a giant, unmoderated message board,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cIt was unbelievably toxic: flame wars constantly and personal attacks and just general horribleness.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cHumans don\u2019t need algorithms to be mean to each other. We can do it on our own, so we shouldn\u2019t be too rose-tinted about the past.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Wales is visiting Australia in May for writers\u2019 festivals promoting his book, Seven Rules of Trust, a look at how the model of trust between people who edit Wikipedia pages can be applied to political polarisation in modern discourse.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">The seven rules include being transparent, making discussion between two people personal and being courteous.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Wales said the core bedrock rule of the Wikipedia community is no personal attacks.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cIf you are attacking the other person, that\u2019s really viewed negatively in the Wikipedia world,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cIt\u2019s very different from a lot of free-wheeling social media, where if you fly off the handle and start attacking someone, the algorithm notices that you\u2019re causing engagement and you get promoted and get more followers.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Wales describes the current social media environment as one where users are \u201cjust serfs on the master\u2019s estate\u201d where rules are made from above, enforced by \u201canonymous, faceless moderators\u201d who work for the platforms.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cWhereas at Wikipedia, it\u2019s all in the hands of the community.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Despite his criticisms of social media \u2013 including the algorithms that are part of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/australia-news\/2026\/apr\/01\/australia-social-media-ban-adoption-world\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Albanese government\u2019s justification for banning under 16s from the platforms<\/a> such as X, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok \u2013 Wales expressed his opposition to government policies, such as that in Australia, for keeping teens off social media.<\/p>\n<p>Wales says governments should be educating adults on parental controls for children\u2019s phones. Photograph: Bloomberg\/Getty Images<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cI think it\u2019s an unmitigated disaster, and it\u2019s an embarrassment,\u201d he said. \u201cWhen it comes with demands that we adults have to prove our age, ie identify ourselves with personally identifying information \u2026 this is madness and it\u2019s really unsafe.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">He pointed to recent <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/australia-news\/2026\/apr\/13\/roblox-age-check-parents-help-children-play-as-adults\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">changes to gaming platform Roblox<\/a> that has begun using facial age assurance for users, that then groups those users \u2013 who can be as young as five \u2013 into specific age demographic groups that can only interact with each other, which is intended to reduce the risk of adults grooming kids and other unsafe experiences on the platform.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">He said teaching children to get used to turning on their cameras when prompted by a tech platform was not a good idea.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cYou\u2019re pressuring really bad, unsafe behaviour on kids,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cI think there\u2019s a massive moral panic around young people and social media that is really unjustified.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Wales said reflecting on the rights of young people online was a deeper societal issue. \u201cMost of the people who are in favour of this sort of thing aren\u2019t in favour of that surveillance state and surveillance capitalism,\u201d he said. \u201cI just think they haven\u2019t really thought it through.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">He said he often comes across parents who are unaware that parental controls even exist and governments should instead be educating adults on parental controls for children\u2019s phones.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cIt\u2019s really easy to set up on both Android and Apple \u2026 why don\u2019t we have regulation requiring retailers to sell phones pre-configured as child phones?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>AI \u2018not a disaster\u2019 for Wikipedia<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Since the arrival of ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini and Grok \u2013 AI chatbots designed to answer user queries &#8211; Wales said Wikipedia had seen an 8% drop in human traffic.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cIt\u2019s not a disaster, but it seems meaningful,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Wales said the loss was largely to low-engagement traffic \u2013 people who are looking for a quick answer to a question rather than a more in-depth experience where they are \u201creading a dozen articles and following links and going down an educational rabbit hole\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">On the other hand, AI crawlers scouring pages for information are \u201creally hammering\u201d Wikipedia.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cBot traffic is very different from human traffic,\u201d he said. \u201cWhen the Queen died, millions of people came to read that one page, so we had it cached in memory and we blasted it out. It costs very little.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">An AI bot that crawls obscure pages that aren\u2019t held in memory, on the other hand, is \u201cdisproportionately expensive\u201d to serve, he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Instead, Wikipedia\u2019s enterprise product, allowing AI companies direct access to its database for a fee \u2013 were being encouraged \u201cmore and more firmly\u201d, he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Wikipedia <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/technology\/2026\/mar\/27\/wikipedia-bans-ai\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">does not allow AI to edit Wikipedia<\/a> directly, but Wales doesn\u2019t see AI as being useless for the site and its editors. But he noted when people use AI to answer questions on a topic, it frequently makes mistakes.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cThat\u2019s especially true the more obscure the topic, the more likely it is to just make random stuff up \u2013 that\u2019s not the case for Wikipedia,\u201d he said. \u201cObscure topics tend to be quite researched by super nerds.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Jimmy Wales appears at the Capitol in Melbourne (20 May), presented by the Wheeler Centre, and at Sydney Writers\u2019 festival (17-24 May).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Wikipedia\u2019s founder, Jimmy Wales, has branded the Australian social media ban an \u201cunmitigated disaster\u201d and an \u201cembarrassment\u201d that&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":649331,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[64,63,44],"class_list":["post-649330","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-australia","tag-au","tag-australia","tag-news"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/649330","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=649330"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/649330\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/649331"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=649330"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=649330"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=649330"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}