{"id":66272,"date":"2025-08-13T23:48:08","date_gmt":"2025-08-13T23:48:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/66272\/"},"modified":"2025-08-13T23:48:08","modified_gmt":"2025-08-13T23:48:08","slug":"the-blowtorch-round-23-preview-every-clubs-burning-questions-analysis-stats-how-to-watch-on-fox-footy-latest-news","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/66272\/","title":{"rendered":"The Blowtorch Round 23 preview, every club\u2019s burning questions, analysis, stats, how to watch on Fox Footy, latest news"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Brisbane is at risk of missing the eight entirely, with injuries and absences a key factor; but there\u2019s a superstar still out there who\u2019s also a problem.<\/p>\n<p>Plus the potential Brownlow 1-2 from a single club, the Hawks\u2019 sneaky problem and much more.<\/p>\n<p>Every club\u2019s burning question ahead of Round 23, as well as the commentators for every Fox Footy game, in our ultimate weekly preview: The Blowtorch!<\/p>\n<p>FOX FOOTY, available on Kayo Sports, is the only place to watch every match of every round in the 2025 Toyota AFL Premiership Season LIVE in 4K, with no ad-breaks during play. New to Kayo? <a href=\"https:\/\/kayosports.com.au?pg=afl&amp;extcamp=fsaeditoriallinkafl-edt-fsp-lnk-awr-grc-afl-kyo&amp;channel=fsa&amp;campaign=fsacontra&amp;voucher=\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Join now and get your first month for just $1.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>AFL ROUND 23 (all times AEDT)<\/p>\n<p>ESSENDON v ST KILDA<\/p>\n<p>Friday August 15, 7.20pm at Marvel Stadium<\/p>\n<p>How to watch on Fox Footy: From 6.30pm on Channel 503, with commentary from Gerard Whateley, Nathan Buckley, Jordan Lewis, Dwayne Russell, Cameron Mooney &amp; Jon Ralph.<\/p>\n<p>Bombers\u2019 burning question: Has a history-making Bomber proven he\u2019s worth sticking with in 2026?<\/p>\n<p>If footy fans knew Jayden Nguyen before the last few weeks, it was for his backstory &#8211; the son of a Vietnamese refugee who became the first player with that heritage to reach AFL level. But soon enough the Next Generation Academy rookie draft pick could be known for his abilities as a lockdown defender, after an impressing first fortnight. In 65 minutes against Sydney, he kept Swans star Tom Papley to just seven disposals and no goals, while in 101 minutes against Geelong, he kept Cats gun Tyson Stengle to 10 disposals and no goals. \u201cIt\u2019s a fantastic story, but he\u2019s had two of the toughest tasks in the game &#8230; he\u2019s doing a fantastic job,\u201d Jordan Lewis said on Fox Footy\u2019s On the Couch. Nguyen was one of the many youngsters forced into an early debut by the club\u2019s injury plague, but he could end up being one of the silver linings from this season, as Brad Scott tries desperately to pan for gold at the bottom of his list.<\/p>\n<p>Shiel cops a week after tribunal case | 02:25<\/p>\n<p>Saints\u2019 burning question: Can they continue a surprising streak?<\/p>\n<p>Over the first half of this decade, just five clubs won at least 10 games every season. Brisbane, Geelong, Port Adelaide and the Western Bulldogs make sense, having combined for 17 of a possible 20 finals appearances plus two flags over that period. But St Kilda too? Well, they\u2019ve been consistent&#8230;ly average. While they won a final in 2020 and hosted another in 2023, the Saints have been frequent residents of the middle of the ladder, winning 11, 10, 11, 13 and 11 games in the decade\u2019s five seasons thus far. It\u2019s a testament to their ability to always be thereabouts though you could argue having a couple of bad years, and actually rebuilding from down the bottom with some top-five draft picks, would\u2019ve helped them eventually contend for a flag again. Partially due to financial incentives &#8211; as a smaller club they almost feel they cannot afford to be irrelevant &#8211; the Saints have tried to stay up while rebuilding and Ross Lyon has spoken many, many times about how much younger they\u2019ve gotten while remaining competitive. The streak is on the line over the season\u2019s final fortnight as they sit with eight wins thus far. Both they and Port Adelaide must finish the year with two more wins to remain in the 10-win club.<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;Not much credibility&#8217; Lyon hits back | 03:36<\/p>\n<p>FREMANTLE v BRISBANE LIONS<\/p>\n<p>Friday August 15, 8.35pm at Optus Stadium<\/p>\n<p>How to watch on Fox Footy: From 8.30pm on Channel 504, with commentary from Anthony Hudson, Garry Lyon, Adam Simpson, Matthew Pavlich, Kath Loughnan &amp; Jon Ralph.<\/p>\n<p>Dockers\u2019 burning question: How critical can retiring great Nat Fyfe be in a finals run?<\/p>\n<p>Clearly the dual Brownlow medallist isn\u2019t going to be playing midfield minutes like his dominant peak, where he was arguably the greatest player in the game, and at a minimum one of the best midfielders of the past 15 years. But having battled through injuries in the 2020s Fyfe has found his feet as a damaging impact substitute. It\u2019s a perfect role for the X-factor veteran, rating as the No.3 player on the ground in the fourth quarter of Fremantle\u2019s win over Port Adelaide, nabbing three clearances and five contested possessions. When bodies are tired, the bullocking Fyfe coming at a player is still a serious threat, and it would not be surprising if he has a trademark moment of brilliance in September. That\u2019s if the Dockers qualify, of course; they are at serious risk of missing the eight if they lose their two remaining games.<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;Level of confidence&#8217; Lions ready | 00:49<\/p>\n<p>Lions\u2019 burning question: How big of a problem has Charlie Cameron become?<\/p>\n<p>The loss of Joe Daniher from Brisbane\u2019s forward line has been well-publicised; but they\u2019re arguably down their two biggest names from the last half-decade, because Charlie Cameron hasn\u2019t been anywhere near his best for a long time. The fact the Lions are performing so well without the four-time leading goalkicker and 2023 All-Australian firing is quite remarkable; from kicking 2.2 goals a game across 2022\/23, he kicked 1.6 goals a game last year, and has dropped to just 1.1 goals a game in 2025. From the No.73-rated player in the AFL in 2023, he has fallen to No.241 last year and now No.254 this year. \u201cThere\u2019d have to be concern with the Lions coaching staff with Charlie\u2019s form, no question. He\u2019s a senior player, he needs to lift if Brisbane are going to get back into the top four and contend,\u201d Brisbane great Jonathan Brown said on On the Couch. <\/p>\n<p>Dons list crisis: Who stays who to sell? | 03:53<\/p>\n<p>GOLD COAST SUNS v GWS GIANTS<\/p>\n<p>Saturday August 16, 12.35pm at People First Stadium<\/p>\n<p>How to watch on Fox Footy: From 12pm on Channel 504, with commentary from Leigh Montagna, Jonathan Brown, Alastair Lynch &amp; Ben Dixon.<\/p>\n<p>Suns\u2019 burning question: Could Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson go 1-2 in the Brownlow?<\/p>\n<p>The great mates have been linked since even before they were drafted, then joining the Suns as the top two picks in the 2019 draft, and are now coming into their own as two of the best players in the competition &#8211; driving what will surely be Gold Coast\u2019s first finals appearance. Rowell has added more outside play to his game while Anderson has taken to the captaincy like a duck to water. But could they really top the Brownlow count? Leigh Montagna suggested it could happen on Fox Footy\u2019s First Crack. \u201cEvery Gold Coast win, it\u2019s going to be 3 and 2 Rowell and Anderson in some order,\u201d he suggested. It\u2019s not as crazy as it sounds; West Coast went 1-2 in 2005 with Ben Cousins pipping Daniel Kerr by a vote, while more recently Geelong in 2013 had the runner-up (Joel Selwood) and fourth-placer (Steve Johnson), and Melbourne in 2018 had the third-placer (Angus Brayshaw) and fourth-placer (Max Gawn). The betting markets are currently tipping the latter scenario, with Anderson third-favourite and Rowell fourth, behind Nick Daicos and Jordan Dawson.<\/p>\n<p>How the biggest deals could get done? | 05:37<\/p>\n<p>Giants\u2019 burning question: Can their dominance of the Expansion Cup continue?<\/p>\n<p>The two newest AFL clubs don\u2019t have much of a rivalry, really &#8211; because the Giants always beat the Suns! While everyone knows the orange team have been much more successful over the last decade that doesn\u2019t explain why they\u2019ve been so utterly dominant over Gold Coast in particular, winning 14 of their past 15 meetings. And the meeting earlier this year, a thrilling comeback win at ENGIE Stadium, was one of just two occasions the Giants won by less than two goals. The Suns\u2019 lone win in the last 15 meetings was bizarrely in Ballarat, and by just one point. But with the Giants facing more injuries than perhaps the footy world is acknowledging, and with the Suns eyeing a top-four finish, is this the time the slightly older brother gets it done? \u201cThey\u2019re (the Suns) not gonna get a better chance to beat them,\u201d Leigh Montagna said on Fox Footy\u2019s First Crack Preview.<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;Half-baked&#8217;: Ross Lyon whacks reports | 02:28<\/p>\n<p>CARLTON v PORT ADELAIDE<\/p>\n<p>Saturday August 16, 1.20pm at Marvel Stadium<\/p>\n<p>How to watch on Fox Footy: From 1pm on Channel 504, with commentary from Dwayne Russell, Brad Johnson, Dermott Brereton &amp; Cameron Mooney.<\/p>\n<p>Blues\u2019 burning question: Are they the bottom-eight team most likely to play finals in 2026?<\/p>\n<p>Sticking with Michael Voss as coach suggests Carlton believes it\u2019s on the right track, despite a second straight season where they\u2019ll fail to win a final. Keep in mind the top eight has roughly three changes every year, so why can\u2019t the Blues bounce back in 2025? Everyone knows they have the top-end talent on their list and they\u2019ll certainly be hoping 2026 will be, for the first time in a while, a season where they\u2019re not totally ruined by injuries. Their luck has to turn at some point, right? And 2024 top pick Jagga Smith will feel like a new recruit upon his return from an ACL injury. Voss is almost certainly done if they don\u2019t bounce back into the eight so they\u2019ll be doing everything possible to get there.<\/p>\n<p>Gerard DIGS Snoop Dogg, Gaz doesn&#8217;t! | 02:23<\/p>\n<p>Power\u2019s burning question: Are THEY the bottom-eight team most likely to play finals in 2026?<\/p>\n<p>They\u2019ve had some absolutely appalling losses this season but it\u2019s hard to know how much of that is the weird situation with Ken Hinkley\u2019s slow goodbye, plus the fact their season was clearly over a while ago. There is still an obvious and incredible core of young talent at the Power that makes them the envy of the competition &#8211; especially if they convince Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera to request a trade there, bolstering the likes of Connor Rozee, Zak Butters, Jason Horne-Francis, Mitch Georgiades and Miles Bergman, none of whom are older than 25. If new coach Josh Carr can make a few key tweaks, why can\u2019t Port Adelaide return to the level we saw across 2021-24 when they finished second, third and second on the ladder?<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;Melbourne didn&#8217;t ring any of us!&#8217; | 01:30<\/p>\n<p>HAWTHORN v MELBOURNE<\/p>\n<p>Saturday August 16, 4.15pm at the MCG<\/p>\n<p>How to watch on Fox Footy: From 4pm on Channel 504, with commentary from Mark Howard, Jordan Lewis, Nick Dal Santo &amp; Sarah Jones.<\/p>\n<p>Hawks\u2019 burning question: Do they know how to use the substitute role properly?<\/p>\n<p>Every little tactical advantage matters in the finals, and the Hawks\u2019 use of the sub is among the least impactful of the top nine contenders. Only Adelaide (#15 in the AFL for impact) and the Western Bulldogs (#17) are worse than Hawthorn (#12), with the other contenders all ranking in the top eight. Geelong is No.1 in the competition with Jack Martin\u2019s four goals in five minutes a few weeks ago the prime example of their ability to inject X-factor into the game. The Hawks do it a bit differently, as David King explained on Fox Footy\u2019s First Crack Preview. \u201cThey typically bring on their sub to release another player forward, so maybe they equate this a bit differently,\u201d David King said. \u201cBring on a defender and free up a star.\u201d Bailey Macdonald has been their sub six times this year, his only appearances in the AFL side. Last year Sam Mitchell preferred Luke Breust, who was the sub 12 times including in their two finals appearances, and Breust returned as the sub last week against Collingwood perhaps suggesting the tactic will return for the rest of the year.<\/p>\n<p>Wizard to stay with Hawks until 2029 | 00:37<\/p>\n<p>Demons\u2019 burning question: Is this the version we\u2019ll see of Melbourne more this year?<\/p>\n<p>They may not have got the win, but Melbourne were mightily impressive against the Western Bulldogs last week. That\u2019s in part due to their ball movement under Troy Chaplin, which was some of the most exciting they\u2019ve had all year. They played with dare, with risk and with flair, taking the game on. It would\u2019ve been a tough watch for ousted senior coach Simon Goodwin. \u201cI thought Melbourne were terrific\u2026 they really put them under the pump with their counterpunch from the defensive half. Some of their ball movement was as good as we\u2019ve seen in a long time,\u201d North Melbourne champion David King said on Fox Footy\u2019s First Crack. \u201cFull credit to Melbourne for bringing this. The energy, the verve, the handball, the connect, the dare to run and take a risk.\u201d Their scoring profile has changed the last six or so weeks, but it didn\u2019t save Simon Goodwin from the axe. Is this the sort of ball movement we will see going forward from Melbourne?<\/p>\n<p>Goodwin on reason for &#8216;confronting&#8217; exit | 04:36<\/p>\n<p>ADELAIDE CROWS v COLLINGWOOD<\/p>\n<p>Saturday August 16, 7.35pm at Adelaide Oval<\/p>\n<p>How to watch on Fox Footy: From 7pm on Channel 504, hosted by Kath Loughnan, David King, Jack Riewoldt &amp; Jay Clark, with commentary from Anthony Hudson, Jason Dunstall, Garry Lyon, Mark Ricciuto &amp; Eddie Betts.<\/p>\n<p>Crows\u2019 burning question: Have Izak Rankine and Riley Thilthorpe become the type of players that win you finals?<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ll never know for sure until they get to finals &#8211; but the good news is the Crows are the only team locked into September, meaning excitement machine Rankine and dominant key forward Thilthorpe will get the opportunity. And while a Round 22 game against West Coast won\u2019t be the same as a qualifying final, it was still a match the Crows had to win, and their two guns stood up when it mattered. Rankine was the No.1-rated player on the ground in the fourth quarter last Sunday while Thilthorpe was No.2. \u201cTheir guns stood up when required and were able to finish off the contest,\u201d Nathan Buckley explained on Fox Footy\u2019s On the Couch. A key factor in the Crows\u2019 success has simply been the fact Rankine and Thilthorpe have been available &#8211; they\u2019ve each played all 21 games this season, after playing just 15 and 7 respectively in 2024.<\/p>\n<p>Crows embracing HUGE Pies clash | 00:53<\/p>\n<p>Magpies\u2019 burning question: Are they cooked?<\/p>\n<p>You\u2019d be a bold person to write the Pies off, despite their recent slump in form. Coach Craig McRae was pretty blunt in his post-match press conference following a disappointing defeat to Hawthorn last week. \u201cI apologise to our Magpie Army, that\u2019s a disappointing performance, you can\u2019t sugarcoat that,\u201d McRae said. \u201cWe\u2019re hurting, that one really hurt. Just a lack of system and then a lack of fight, a lack of effort, sometimes at the same time, which leaves us really vulnerable.\u201d Despite missing key players due to injury, McRae questioned the lack of effort shown by his troops on Thursday night. They\u2019ve now lost four of their last five and are fighting to keep their top four hopes alive. But we shouldn\u2019t lose all hope just yet. The Pies have undertaken a more intensive block of conditioning in recent weeks in order to have them primed for September and they\u2019ve managed some of their ageing stars. After their loss in Opening Round, people believed they were too old or too slow, but they\u2019ve proven this year that at their best, they\u2019ve still got what it takes. Don\u2019t put a line through the Pies just yet.<\/p>\n<p>Blues part ways with footy boss Lloyd | 01:17<\/p>\n<p>NORTH MELBOURNE v RICHMOND<\/p>\n<p>Sunday August 17, 1.10pm at Ninja Stadium<\/p>\n<p>How to watch on Fox Footy: From 1pm on Channel 504, with commentary from Corbin Middlemas, David King, Dermott Brereton &amp; David Zita.<\/p>\n<p>Kangaroos\u2019 burning question: Can they respond?<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately for Roos fans, North Melbourne\u2019s last six weeks have been more of the same. The average losing margin across that stretch has been over 46 points a game. That\u2019s why it\u2019s so crucial that they respond in a big way in their final two matches of the year, starting this week against Richmond in Hobart. In the final fortnight last year, the Roos were belted by the Western Bulldogs (96 points) and Hawthorn (124 points) and they simply can\u2019t have the same finish to the season this time around. In vision highlighted by North Melbourne champion David King on Fox Footy\u2019s First Crack, there were several players who didn\u2019t apply themselves in defensive transition against the Giants. To put it simply, the Roos can\u2019t stand for that. \u201cI think there\u2019s some frustration down there that these guys won\u2019t apply themselves and they\u2019ll find themselves off a list because of that,\u201d King said. The Roos have about a dozen players who have contracts expiring at the end of this year. Some of those guys are playing for their football careers and time is running out for them to impress the coaching group and the list management staff.<\/p>\n<p>Scott confident Shiel will avoid ban | 02:19<\/p>\n<p>Tigers\u2019 burning question: Were Richmond reeeeaaaaaaaally trying to win with some of their weird decisions during the Saints game?<\/p>\n<p>Richmond has had an extremely positive season when you look at their 2025 campaign as a whole, but according to North Melbourne champion David King, there were some perplexing coaching decisions against the Saints from Adem Yze. The first of those, was the way they handled star Saint Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera who got off the chain in the second half. \u201cIn the second half he just ran around and did what he liked. If you really want to win the game\u2026 you can stop this,\u201d King began. \u201cHe just took control of this game. 22 disposals in the second half, 19 uncontested. They look for him at every opportunity. If Richmond really wanted to win it, if they really were absolutely hell bent on winning this game, they would\u2019ve locked him away.\u201d Further to that, King wondered whether or not the Tigers missed a trick by not activating Steely Green as the substitute. \u201cIf they really wanted to win it, it was under a goal for the last 35 minutes of footy, they would\u2019ve brought their sub on,\u201d he said. \u201cI\u2019ve just got my doubts as to whether winning was the absolute prime focus on the day\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>AFL Grand Final entertainment announced | 01:13<\/p>\n<p>SYDNEY SWANS v GEELONG CATS<\/p>\n<p>Sunday August 17, 3.15pm at the SCG<\/p>\n<p>How to watch on Fox Footy: From 3pm on Channel 503, with commentary from Dwayne Russell, Matt Hill, Gerard Healy, Brad Johnson, Alastair Lynch &amp; David Zita.<\/p>\n<p>Swans\u2019 burning question: Are they priming themselves for a huge 2026 campaign?<\/p>\n<p>That question is no doubt a bit preemptive, but there\u2019s been plenty to like about the Swans since the bye. Dean Cox\u2019s side were superb against the reigning premiers last week, getting back to what North Melbourne champion David King said is \u201cold school Sydney, the slingshot Swans\u201d. Sydney\u2019s ball use was sublime. They moved the ball well and their stars were at their brilliant best. The strength of their defensive unit though was one of the most impressive takeaways from their narrow win. The Swans defence won the ball back and then took the fight back to the Lions. Their handball game was really creative and strong. The Lions had 65 inside 50 entries, but the Swans were up to the task defensively. \u201cThey stood up unbelievably. It\u2019s probably as good a defensive performance as you\u2019ll see,\u201d King noted on Fox Footy\u2019s First Crack. The Swans recorded 31 intercepts in defensive 50 and managed to score from those 25.8 per cent of the time. Their back half was stable and they got the matchups right. \u201cThey\u2019re going to be a force again next year. They know they need a couple more parts to really fill the puzzle but look out 2026,\u201d King added.<\/p>\n<p>Fyfe: &#8216;It&#8217;s been an incredible journey!&#8217; | 02:21<\/p>\n<p>Cats\u2019 burning question: Do rivals need to think about tagging Gryan Miers?<\/p>\n<p>A small forward isn\u2019t the first player you think of as a tagging option; but that\u2019s not what Miers is any more. The creative Cat most people just think of as the bloke that kicks weirdly has moved into the midfield over the past month. Over that period he has been involved in 30 per cent of Geelong\u2019s scores; in the entire competition only teammate Max Holmes has more score involvements. \u201cHe sees the game differently. We talk about Hayden Young and Izak Rankine &#8211; I think we need to put him in that conversation,\u201d David King said on Fox Footy\u2019s First Crack. \u201cIn two or three weeks time, you\u2019ll ahve to put some plans in place &#8230; because you don\u2019t really go with Bailey Smith, and you can\u2019t go with Holmes, they\u2019re different beasts. This guy is an uncontested warrior who finds little pockets of space; you can clamp this guy.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Buckley admits interest in Melbourne job | 05:16<\/p>\n<p>WESTERN BULLDOGS v WEST COAST EAGLES<\/p>\n<p>Sunday August 17, 4.40pm at Marvel Stadium<\/p>\n<p>How to watch on Fox Footy: From 4pm on Channel 504, with commentary from Mark Howard, Jack Riewoldt, Tom Hawkins, Sarah Jones &amp; David Zita.<\/p>\n<p>Bulldogs\u2019 burning question: Has Naughton revived his career?<\/p>\n<p>Kudos has to go to Aaron Naughton, because he\u2019s turned himself into a genuine A grade talent in 2025. Naughton currently sits third for goals across the competition with 55 to his name so far this campaign. But it\u2019s his form in recent weeks that\u2019s been most impressive, having snagged 29 goals in his past six outings. \u201cHe has had some sort of career revival this year,\u201d Herald Sun Chief Football Writer Jay Clark told Fox Footy\u2019s First Crack. North Melbourne champion David King was full of praise for Naughton\u2019s work ethic and willingness to put in the hours on the training track to improve his game. \u201cI think he\u2019s enjoyed the attention that\u2019s come to Darcy\u2026 his work rate\u2019s gone through the roof. I love what he\u2019s doing, it\u2019s basic footy, no frills, just honest, hard work and he\u2019s blowing people up,\u201d King began. Naughton\u2019s contested marking and willingness to fly for everything has been a staple of his game this year, but it\u2019s his improved goalkicking that caught King\u2019s eye. Naughton\u2019s set shot efficiency has increased from 56 per cent in 2023 to 66 this year, while his set shots from zero to 40 metres out have gone from 60 per cent to 75 per cent. King highlighted vision showing how Naughton has tweaked his ball drop, going from a higher drop to a lower drop in recent times. \u201cIt\u2019s a drastic change and credit to him for putting in the work,\u201d King added. \u201cHe\u2019s now getting reward for what he\u2019s doing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Bulldogs looking to stamp finals ticket | 03:35<\/p>\n<p>Eagles\u2019 burning question: Was valiant defeat to ladder leaders a sign of things to come?<\/p>\n<p>The Eagles certainly didn\u2019t lose any admirers in a gritty loss to Adelaide last week. In actual fact, they probably gained some given the signs Andrew McQualter\u2019s side showed. Key forward Jobe Shanahan slotted 3.2 and looks promising, while mid-season draftee Tom McCarthy has taken to AFL level like a duck to water. Other youngsters like Elijah Hewett, Brady Hough, Clay Hall and Reuben Ginbey continue to impress, while there\u2019s also a lot to like about the way Campbell Chesser and Hamish Davis are going about things. \u201cOur fans are getting signs of what our future can look like,\u201d McQualter said post-match. \u201dI think if we play like that every week, we\u2019ll be okay.\u201c Now the challenge is for the Eagles to back it up in the final fortnight of the season and show it wasn\u2019t a performance laced with emotion given the retirements of Jeremy McGovern and Dom Sheed and rather a sign that this group is heading forward.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Brisbane is at risk of missing the eight entirely, with injuries and absences a key factor; but 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