{"id":680076,"date":"2026-05-19T04:42:13","date_gmt":"2026-05-19T04:42:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/680076\/"},"modified":"2026-05-19T04:42:13","modified_gmt":"2026-05-19T04:42:13","slug":"john-lennon-the-last-interview-how-steven-soderbergh-used-ai-to-illustrate-the-legends-final-words","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/680076\/","title":{"rendered":"John Lennon: The Last Interview: How Steven Soderbergh used AI to illustrate the legend\u2019s final words"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Stephanie Bunbury\" data-testid=\"author-avatar-image\" height=\"64\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/05\/9320c6e14d68665c25dd47a5975b19dc06c4094d.gif\"  width=\"64\" class=\"sc-9a01536c-0 libeSR\"\/>Save<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-d1b14060-4 JmUoF\">You have reached your maximum number of saved items.<\/p>\n<p>Remove items from your <a href=\"https:\/\/www.smh.com.au\/goodfood\/saved\" class=\"sc-3f16ee48-12 sc-d1b14060-2 jyLmZI iQLtAb\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">saved list<\/a> to add more.<\/p>\n<p>AAA<\/p>\n<p>Cannes: \u201cIs it necessary and is it better? And if the answer\u2019s not yes, why are you using it?\u201d says Steven Soderbergh, whose use of AI imaging in John Lennon: The Last Interview has stirred considerable anxiety among film technicians running scared of being replaced. He added firmly that the key to using the new technology is to be transparent about it \u2013 and that Cate Blanchett is leading the way.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019m not worried personally that this thing will ever be near a human, that it will ever replace a human in my world. It will always to me just be a piece of technology. But there is this issue of transparency and intention,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Steven Soderbergh in Cannes this week. \" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/05\/5bdb20aecb8a932a0e0e70e995792585d016f304.jpeg\"  class=\"sc-d34e428-1 ldCIuB\"\/>Steven Soderbergh in Cannes this week. AP Photo\/John Locher<\/p>\n<p>There are sequences in his film, he says, that are funny precisely because we know they\u2019re not real. \u201cSo you get into this question of being fooled with your consent or fooled without your consent.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Blanchett is co-founder of RSL Media, which is trying to formulate international standards around consent to the use of images.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo these tools can continue to be developed within some sort of framework that addresses artists\u2019 rights. I hope it works. It\u2019s the only thing I\u2019ve seen so far that could work because it\u2019s independent and nobody owns it. But we\u2019ll see,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p>Soderbergh, whose award-winning films include sex, lies and videotape; Out of Sight and the Oceans series, was speaking at the Cannes Film Festival about his new documentary, a visual interpretation of an interview John Lennon and Yoko Ono gave to radio station RKO to support their album Double Fantasy in 1980.<\/p>\n<p>With the interview and music clips providing a soundtrack, he uses photographs from the family archives and AI images to illustrate points Lennon makes. A series of squalling babies flashes up when he talks about ageing \u201960s hippies\u2019 resentment that the world wasn\u2019t changing fast enough; a caveman appears when he talks about men blundering through relationships with women.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"John Lennon and Yoko Ono in New York, 1980.\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/05\/bfee14d1d213aa7fd0653658169dee35a000557a.jpeg\"  class=\"sc-d34e428-1 ldCIuB\"\/>John Lennon and Yoko Ono in New York, 1980.AP<\/p>\n<p>Double Fantasy was Lennon\u2019s first musical release in five years; the couple had decided to give just one interview and were \u201cready to spill\u201d, in Soderbergh\u2019s words. The interview lasted for nearly three hours, buoyed by their enthusiasm. \u201cI consider that my work won\u2019t be finished until I\u2019m dead and buried, and I hope that\u2019s a long, long time,\u201d Lennon says. A few hours later, he was assassinated outside The Dakota, the apartment building where the interview took place.<\/p>\n<p>The three journalists who conducted the interview held the rights to it and, until Soderbergh\u2019s producer, Nancy Saslow, discovered what they had, were prepared to keep it under wraps. \u201cThey\u2019d been sitting on this thing for four-and-a-half decades and had many opportunities to exploit it and didn\u2019t. There seemed to be this unspoken feeling between the journalists that if this was going to go into the world again, that it be made in a way that is consistent with what John and Yoko are about. That is made by an artist about other artists.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The interview we hear is about 90 minutes long; Soderbergh homed in on subjects he thought were essential, such as Lennon first meeting Yoko Ono, and tracing a typical day spent with their son Sean, who was five when Lennon died. Neither participated, beyond giving access to the images we see, but Sean Lennon watched the film in New York with a lawyer.<\/p>\n<p>Soderbergh and Saslow sat in the theatre\u2019s back row. \u201cI think he was hearing a lot of this for the first time, which must have been very strange,\u201d says Soderbergh. \u201cI was really stretching my imagination to conjure what must be going through his head, especially as we got near the end. But he seemed very pleased.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"(From left) Paul Mescal, Joseph Quinn, Barry Keoghan and Harris Dickinson, who will play the Beatles in four films about their journey.\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/05\/8ce5e12c00f12964d99fcfa6afd970f255fc0d58.jpeg\"  class=\"sc-d34e428-1 ldCIuB\"\/>(From left) Paul Mescal, Joseph Quinn, Barry Keoghan and Harris Dickinson, who will play the Beatles in four films about their journey.Chris Pizzello\/Invision\/AP<\/p>\n<p>All things Beatle are certainly having a moment. Soderbergh\u2019s film appears ahead of an omnibus of four features currently in production in the UK that will each focus on one of The Beatles. Harris Dickinson plays John Lennon in all four films, all of which are directed by Sam Mendes. \u201cI\u2019ll be first in line for that,\u201d says Soderbergh. Earlier in the Cannes festival, Sir Peter Jackson enthused about his experience making Get Back, an eight-hour docuseries about the recording of Let it Be.<\/p>\n<p>Soderbergh says he is unsure why they remain so compelling. \u201cI can only say what they mean to me, just as an individual but also as a creative person,\u201d he says. \u201cThey\u2019re a clinic in creative evolution.\u201d From writing songs that sounded like Carl Perkins, they found their way to the psychedelia of I Am the Walrus; like Soderbergh, they were also very interested in new technology. \u201cThey\u2019ve gone through every crazy permutation,\u201d he says. \u201cAnd they were so young. That\u2019s what you forget. There was no blueprint for being them.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Get the day\u2019s breaking news, entertainment ideas and a long read to enjoy. <a class=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.smh.com.au\/newsletter-signup?newsletter=pm&amp;utm_source=EditorialArticle&amp;utm_medium=ArticleText&amp;utm_campaign=newsletters\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Sign up to receive our Evening Edition newsletter.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Save<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-d1b14060-4 JmUoF\">You have reached your maximum number of saved items.<\/p>\n<p>Remove items from your <a href=\"https:\/\/www.smh.com.au\/goodfood\/saved\" class=\"sc-3f16ee48-12 sc-d1b14060-2 jyLmZI iQLtAb\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">saved list<\/a> to add more.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Stephanie Bunbury\" data-testid=\"author-avatar-image\" height=\"40\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/05\/1778697564_375_9320c6e14d68665c25dd47a5975b19dc06c4094d.gif\"  width=\"40\" class=\"sc-9a01536c-0 libeSR\"\/><a class=\"sc-cba76dee-0 hdiTqm sc-b5b9fd03-2 jcGta-D\" href=\"https:\/\/www.smh.com.au\/by\/stephanie-bunbury-hvev2\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Stephanie Bunbury<\/a> is a film and culture writer for The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald.From our partners<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Save You have reached your maximum number of saved items. 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