{"id":806782,"date":"2026-07-17T20:23:12","date_gmt":"2026-07-17T20:23:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/806782\/"},"modified":"2026-07-17T20:23:12","modified_gmt":"2026-07-17T20:23:12","slug":"minister-concedes-big-tech-companies-using-australian-content-to-train-ai-models-is-unethical","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/806782\/","title":{"rendered":"Minister concedes big tech companies using Australian content to train AI models is &#8216;unethical&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">Australia&#8217;s Minister for Innovation Tim Ayres has acknowledged tech companies based overseas are already using Australia content to train AI models, conceding the practice is &#8216;unethical&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;Copyright is only meaningful when there&#8217;s a payment involved,&#8221; Mr Ayres told triple j hack.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">The comments come after Prime Minister Anthony Albanese announced plans for a new Office of AI on Wednesday.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">The office will work to develop a new set of standards for artificial intelligence development in Australia.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">As part of the plan the Prime Minister re-affirmed a commitment to protecting Australia&#8217;s copyright law.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;No company should use Australian books, music, art or news to build or train AI without the artist&#8217;s control,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;That includes the artist&#8217;s control of the price and value of their work.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;Anything less, is theft.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Loading&#8230;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">Minister for Innovation and Industry Tim Ayres told triple j hack tech companies using Australian content without permission were behaving unethically.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;We&#8217;ve got a responsibility here in Australia to build an Australian answer,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p>Aussie artists already impacted<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">Last month American news outlet The Atlantic created a searchable database from four datasets being passed around the AI development community.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">The datasets contain a significant amount of Australian music \u2014 including music from local Perth band Smol Fish.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Members of smol fish laying across the bed in front of the camera.\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/4cf6e833dc728b3d8e45deeb968248a7.jpeg\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Smol Fish weren&#8217;t aware their music had been used to train AI until contacted by triple j hack. (Supplied)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;I&#8217;m kind of confused as to how this is happening,&#8221; band member Olive Coakley told triple j hack.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;It&#8217;s, illegal, right? Is it illegal?<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;It should be illegal.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">The band had no idea their music had been used until they were contacted by triple j hack.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re just like a little tiny local band and so you think maybe that you&#8217;ll be a bit safer or that it would take longer for anyone to try and steal your intellectual property,&#8221;  Olive said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">Playlunch, a Melbourne-based band who&#8217;s song Keith finished fourth in the Hottest 100 this year, also had music in these AI training datasets.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">Lead-singer Liam Bell told triple j hack the band somewhat expected their music was being taken, but it was still &#8220;bizarre&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;They haven&#8217;t taken our music so that they can use our music \u2026 They&#8217;re making something so that we can be obsolete,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Artist - 'Song Title' (live for Like A Version) IMAEG\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/12dece551a4ab5430cbab8790499f99a.jpeg\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Playlunch singer Liam Bell says the band wasn&#8217;t surprised to find out their music had been used to train AI models. (triple j)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">He said the band was pretty &#8220;pragmatic&#8221; about the risks of AI and would focus on creating music that connected with people on a human level.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;Our job is to focus on making stuff for the people who want to listen to us and who want to engage with us artistically,&#8221; Bell told triple j hack.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;I think if you have a melody stuck in your head, like an earworm that was made by an AI, it&#8217;s like having microplastics in your brain,&#8221; Bell told triple j hack.<\/p>\n<p>Ethical AI needed to protect &#8216;cultural property&#8217;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">Perth-based rapper Josh Eggington, or Flewnt, is glad people are starting to take notice now, but wishes more was done to protect First Nations stories years ago.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;AI can almost spit out and recite its own version of a really old creation, [an] Aboriginal creation story because it&#8217;s taught itself on all that material that them old fellas used to tell,&#8221; he told triple j hack in an interview before the government&#8217;s announcement.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;My focus would be there first. And how do we start to protect that?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Portrait of Josh Eggington in a white shirt standing outside in afternoon light\" class=\"Image_image__5tFYM ContentImage_image__DQ_cq\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/bd6dd44ead50e28830d3add4293062bf.jpeg\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"Image\" data-lazy=\"true\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP FigureCaption_text__zDxQ5 Typography_sizeMobile12__w_FPC Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Perth-based rapper Flewnt says tech companies have been using First Nations cultural property to train AI models for a long time. (ABC Radio Perth: Alicia Bridges)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">Flewnt wants to see a shift towards ethical AI where communities have a say about how cultural material is used.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;I don&#8217;t know exactly what that looks like, but definitely permission is one of those things,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;Just permission in general on what is entered and not entered into the models is definitely a part of ethical AI.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;Devil in the detail&#8217;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">Opposition Leader Angus Taylor has slammed the government&#8217;s AI plan, saying it lacks substance.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;It&#8217;s motherhood statements at this point,&#8221; Mr Taylor told the Today Show.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/news\/2026-07-16\/ai-office-urged-to-include-artists\/106920388\" data-component=\"FullBleedLink\" class=\"RelatedCard_link__rsgR9 FullBleedLink_root__lTw_U interactive_focusContext__yRhc_ interactive_defaults__AKxUU FullBleedLink_showVisited__g3Xvz\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">AI office urged to include artists<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"Typography_base__sj2RP RelatedCard_synopsis__cFwMW Typography_sizeMobile14__u7TGe Typography_lineHeightMobile20___U7Vr Typography_regular__WeIG6 Typography_colourInherit__dfnUx\" data-component=\"Typography\">Australian artists want a seat around the table at the new office for artificial intelligence established by Anthony Albanese in a bid to &#8220;shape&#8221; how the technology affects the country.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;All [the Prime Minister&#8217;s] done at this point is create an office within an office \u2026 to deal with these things.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;There are so many questions that haven&#8217;t been answered.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">Music rights organisations have welcomed the commitment to copyright protection, with Attorney-General Michele Rowland this week confirming artists will have a seat at the table to ensure they can &#8220;thrive&#8221; in the AI economy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">Melbourne University AI lecturer Dr Andrew Cullen told triple j hack Wednesday&#8217;s announcement was a step in the right direction but there are still questions to answer.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;The devil really is in the details,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;It&#8217;s great to have these kind of aspirational statements \u2026 but there&#8217;s no real mechanisms that we have at the moment to force AI companies to disclose what data they&#8217;ve used and to pay fairly.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Loading Instagram content<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">Innovation and Industry Minister Tim Ayres told hack work is ongoing to ensure artists are protected but that Australia is taking a world-leading approach.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;We want to see artificial intelligence training happening here on our terms, which means consistent with our copyright protections,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;That is a much better position for the Australia arts community than the current position which is they are reliant upon the copyright laws and frameworks in other countries.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Tech companies say they will work within new regulations<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">Two of the world&#8217;s leading AI companies have pledged to work with the government as it develops new rules for the sector.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">Anthropic General Counsel Jeff Bleich said the company takes its responsibility to meet the government&#8217;s new terms seriously.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;AI will reshape democracies, economies and national security, bringing significant benefits and unprecedented challenges alike,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">&#8220;Anthropic has been clear for some time that societal-level solutions are needed for AI. We respect the process articulated by the Prime Minister.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph_paragraph___QITb\">While OpenAI told Forbes it is committed to working constructively on a practical and sustainable solution.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Australia&#8217;s Minister for Innovation Tim Ayres has acknowledged tech companies based overseas are already using Australia content to&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":806783,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[51418,24752,380539,64,63,44317,191674,380541,380536,380537,44,380538,226808,380540,72703,39185,3953,44318],"class_list":["post-806782","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-australia","tag-ai-copyright","tag-ai-music","tag-ai-office","tag-au","tag-australia","tag-dave-marchese","tag-david-marchese","tag-flewnt","tag-music-ai","tag-music-copyright","tag-news","tag-office-of-ai","tag-playlunch","tag-smol-fish","tag-the-latest","tag-tim-ayres","tag-triple-j","tag-triple-j-hack"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/806782","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=806782"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/806782\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/806783"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=806782"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=806782"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=806782"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}