{"id":84657,"date":"2025-08-21T09:52:07","date_gmt":"2025-08-21T09:52:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/84657\/"},"modified":"2025-08-21T09:52:07","modified_gmt":"2025-08-21T09:52:07","slug":"actu-claims-of-agreement-with-tech-firms-over-training-ai-dismissed-by-creative-peak-bodies-australian-trade-unions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/84657\/","title":{"rendered":"ACTU claims of agreement with tech firms over training AI dismissed by creative peak bodies | Australian trade unions"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">The Australian Council of Trade Unions claims that it has reached a \u201cbreakthrough\u201d agreement with the tech sector on a model for payment for using creative content in training AI has triggered alarm among bodies representing creative professionals.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Speaking on the sidelines of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/business\/2025\/aug\/20\/five-takeaways-day-two-economic-reform-roundtable\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">economic reform roundtable<\/a>, the secretary of the ACTU, Sally McManus, said \u201cthere was discussion with the Tech Council and ACTU about wanting to address the issue of paying creatives, journalists and academics for their data (and) their creative work that they do\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cThat\u2019s quite a significant shift, and it\u2019s one we really welcome.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">McManus said tech companies were already \u201crushing ahead\u201d in their exploitation of content to train large language models.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/email-newsletters?CMP=copyembed&amp;CMP=emailbutton\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Sign up: AU Breaking News email<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cThey\u2019ll be crawling all your data. And people whose livelihoods depend on their creative output deserve not to have that stolen from them,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cAnd so we\u2019re committed to doing everything we can to address that. It was, I think, a big thing for the Tech Council to step up and say, \u2018This is something we\u2019re prepared to work on with you\u2019.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">But the CEO of the Tech Council, Damian Kassagbi, played down the significance of the roundtable discussions.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cWe are hopeful we can find a path forward on copyright that allows <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/business\/2025\/aug\/14\/ai-artificial-intelligence-jobs-cleaning-construction-hospitality-australian-report\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">AI<\/a> training to take place in Australia while also including appropriate protections for creators that make a living from their work,\u201d Kassagbi said in a statement.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cWhat that path looks like has not been determined or agreed.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Industry groups representing the creative professions are opposed to watering down existing rules governing the fair use of original content.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">The CEO of the Australian Recording Industry Association, Annabelle Heard, said any talk of an \u201cagreement\u201d was misplaced as tech companies should simply comply with existing copyright law.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Heard rejected any suggestion that AI firms should be given an exception to fair use rules to allow them to mine original Australian content to train their large language models \u2013 a prospect raised in a recent Productivity Commission report.<\/p>\n<p><a data-ignore=\"global-link-styling\" href=\"#EmailSignup-skip-link-13\" class=\"dcr-jzxpee\">skip past newsletter promotion<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-rsfwa\">Sign up to Breaking News Australia<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1xjndtj\">Get the most important news as it breaks<\/p>\n<p>Privacy Notice: Newsletters may contain info about charities, online ads, and content funded by outside parties. For more information see our <a data-ignore=\"global-link-styling\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/help\/privacy-policy\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" class=\"dcr-1rjy2q9\" target=\"_blank\">Privacy Policy<\/a>. We use Google reCaptcha to protect our website and the Google <a data-ignore=\"global-link-styling\" href=\"https:\/\/policies.google.com\/privacy\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" class=\"dcr-1rjy2q9\" target=\"_blank\">Privacy Policy<\/a> and <a data-ignore=\"global-link-styling\" href=\"https:\/\/policies.google.com\/terms\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" class=\"dcr-1rjy2q9\" target=\"_blank\">Terms of Service<\/a> apply.<\/p>\n<p id=\"EmailSignup-skip-link-13\" tabindex=\"0\" aria-label=\"after newsletter promotion\" role=\"note\" class=\"dcr-jzxpee\">after newsletter promotion<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cWithout knowing the details of what they have discussed, it\u2019s unclear this is going to end up in a better situation for copyright owners. Certainly, we are interested in how you can come to an agreement without copyright holders at the table,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">In a joint statement, the Australian Society of Authors and the Copyright Agency said \u201cresponsible AI development must operate within the boundaries of copyright law\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cInnovation should be supported through licensed access \u2013 not through the unauthorised access of copyright content for the training of large language models.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">A News Corp Australia spokesperson said the copyright act was \u201ca strong framework that requires no change\u201d.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"The Australian Council of Trade Unions claims that it has reached a \u201cbreakthrough\u201d agreement with the tech sector&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":84658,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[256,254,255,64,63,105],"class_list":{"0":"post-84657","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-artificial-intelligence","8":"tag-ai","9":"tag-artificial-intelligence","10":"tag-artificialintelligence","11":"tag-au","12":"tag-australia","13":"tag-technology"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/84657","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=84657"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/84657\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/84658"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=84657"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=84657"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=84657"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}