{"id":93137,"date":"2025-08-24T21:07:12","date_gmt":"2025-08-24T21:07:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/93137\/"},"modified":"2025-08-24T21:07:12","modified_gmt":"2025-08-24T21:07:12","slug":"afl-2025-round-24-talking-points","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/93137\/","title":{"rendered":"AFL 2025, Round 24 Talking Points"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A Swans star couldn\u2019t hide his frustration after the club\u2019s \u2018disappointing\u2019 season ended. And a missing piece could be key to the Swans bouncing back to flag contention in 2026. <\/p>\n<p>Plus priority pick debate, and concerns for Collingwood\u2019s finals campaign despite the club restoring its flag hopes.<\/p>\n<p>The big issues from Round 24 of the 2025 AFL season analysed in foxfooty.com.au\u2019s Talking Points!<\/p>\n<p>Watch the best coverage of the 2025 AFL finals series, including every game until the Grand Final LIVE with no ad-breaks during play, on Kayo. 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For Free and confidential support call 1800 858 858 or visit gamblinghelponline.org.au.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018DISAPPOINTED\u2019 SWANS STAR\u2019S VOW&#8230; AND DOES MISSING PIECE HOLD KEY TO BOUNCE BACK?<\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.foxsports.com.au\/afl\/live-afl-2025-west-coast-eagles-vs-sydney-swans-round-24-live-scores-and-stats-updates-blog-teams-start-time-aest-and-how-to-stream\/news-story\/fb16af8451799747858f9f2c3e0324bb\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Swans had just demolished West Coast by 67 points<\/a>. Yet judging by Errol Gulden\u2019s reaction post-match, would\u2019ve thought Sydney had lost. <\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s because a reflective Gulden was thinking bigger picture. <\/p>\n<p>You could feel the star\u2019s frustration dripping off the screen after the Swans\u2019 \u201cdisappointing\u201d season came to a close in a year the club fell from a minor premiership and grand final appearance to outside the top eight under Dean Cox.<\/p>\n<p>\u201c100% (it was a disappointing season),\u201d a raw and honest Gulden told Fox Footy. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cListen, it\u2019s not where this footy club wants to be, finishing up the season now.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019m honestly super disappointed. Tonight was probably a bit of a reflection of our season. The first half was really poor, it took a rocket from \u2018Coxy\u2019 at half-time to get us going.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cTo be honest, it\u2019s not a great feeling right now. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cI guess the positive being we have a bit of time off now. Then come back and hopefully have a really good block before Christmas and get this club back up where it should be playing finals.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe owe it to ourselves, our fans and the club to come out next year and write the wrongs of this season. We\u2019ll work our arses off&#8230; Certainly don\u2019t want to be feeling this feeling again, it\u2019s not good.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Cox &#8220;confident&#8221; ahead of 2026 | 09:13<\/p>\n<p>The Swans never recovered from a rocky start to the year including being marred by injury. Most notably, Gulden missed half the season. <\/p>\n<p>But we got a glimpse of what this team could be at full strength in the back-half of the season, winning eight of their last 11 games to finish 10th on the ladder at 12-11.<\/p>\n<p>With a longer break, slightly easier draw, a better run with injuries and more familiarity under Cox\u2019s system, there\u2019s reason to be optimistic that Sydney can bounce back hard next year back into the top eight, if not higher. <\/p>\n<p>Kangaroos great David King believes the club is one key move away from rocketing back into premiership contention \u2014 adding a star key forward. <\/p>\n<p>It certainly seems in Sydney\u2019s plans. <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.foxsports.com.au\/afl\/department-of-trade\/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2025-charlie-curnow-sydney-swans-interest-amid-jamarra-uglehagan-cooling-marcus-windhager-essendon-beau-mccreery\/news-story\/5888ae09863126f19cf9814eeada4b2b\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">It emerged this week that the Swans were set to target<\/a> Carlton dual Coleman medallist Charlie Curnow this off-season in an acquisition Demons great Garry Lyon called the \u201cperfect\u201d fit for Sydney. <\/p>\n<p>The Swans have also been linked with a move for Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, but there\u2019s increasing doubt around the troubled Bulldog\u2019s AFL future. <\/p>\n<p>Whether it\u2019s Curnow or someone else, King thinks the Swans need to prioritise adding a marquee key forward to their mix.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think they bounce quickly, you talk about some high-level acquisitions on the trade table to really hone in on. They certainly need a bona fide target,\u201d King said on Fox Footy. <\/p>\n<p> \u201cIf they get that, I think they\u2019re back in the premiership race almost immediately. If not, it\u2019s a challenge.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In fairness, Sydney only got a combined eight games from Logan McDonald and Joel Amartey this season due to injury after the pair kicked a collective 80 goals last season. So even this year we never saw their full strength forward line with both talls. <\/p>\n<p>But the Swans surely wont die wondering in pursuit of winning a premiership with this list, with a core that\u2019s made two grand finals over the last three seasons.<\/p>\n<p>Swans storm home to take down Eagles | 00:58<\/p>\n<p>Three-time Coleman Medalist Jack Riewoldt also thinks the Swans \u201cneed to go and get a big superstar forward,\u201d pointing to their proven a track record in recruiting high-profile goalkickers in the past including Lance Franklin and Tony Lockett. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey\u2019ve been able to do it in the past and attract a big name along,\u201d Riewoldt said. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cFor them to be a bona fide contender again, that midfield needs someone to kick it to.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>It could also give Cox the flexibility to swing someone back to bolster their defence, with King suggesting McDonald had all the traits.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think Logan McDonald could go from full forward to centre-half back,\u201d King added. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe\u2019ve seen a lot of forwards do it over the journey and be amazing. They\u2019ve got a great eye for where the ball is likely to go, they play the percentages well.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s easier to cover a man than to lose a man. I think that role would suit (McDonald) really well.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd I don\u2019t think he\u2019s the prime target that\u2019s going to take them to the promise land (as a forward), so you\u2019ve got to find another option.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u2018JUST NONSENSE\u2019: EAGLES\u2019 PRIORITY PICK DEBATE RAGES AFTER HORROR SEASON<\/p>\n<p>To give West Coast a priority pick or not? <\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s been widely discussed all year, and two Fox Footy pundits debated the matter after the club\u2019s challenging one-win season came to an official end.<\/p>\n<p>West Coast finished 18th with the worst win-loss record of the AFL era (1-22), and the most losses of any team in the history of the competition. <\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s been a dour period for the club in the fallout from its 2018 premiership glory under Adam Simpson, with just 11 wins from 91 games over the last four years \u2014 all bottom three finishes. <\/p>\n<p>And it\u2019s frankly hard to see the Eagles turning things around anytime soon as a lengthy rebuild looms under first-year coach Andrew McQualter, with co-captain <a href=\"https:\/\/www.foxsports.com.au\/afl\/department-of-trade\/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2025-oscar-allens-west-coast-future-in-doubt-as-talks-break-down\/news-story\/1c0b09d567e58e146c8239f7e2dfab78\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Oscar Allen set to depart the club.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>It was no great surprise that West Coast chief executive Don Pyke confirmed last month the club would seek priority pick help at the end of the season.<\/p>\n<p>McQualter sums up tough 2025 season | 09:38<\/p>\n<p>But some have argued the Eagles\u2019 downfall has largely been by their own doing. Herald Sun chief writer Jay Clark said West Coast was \u201cpaying for the mistakes off the back of the flag\u201d after the club opted to held onto its ageing veterans when they had trade value and went all in on Tim Kelly. <\/p>\n<p>They say not knowing where you are is the worst position to be in. And the Eagles basically bet on their list when they were on the slide in a recipe for disaster. <\/p>\n<p>However Kangaroos legend David King argued the AFL model is an \u201cequalisation business,\u201d with North Melbourne (2023 and 2024) and Gold Coast (2019) the two most recent clubs to get priority pick help. <\/p>\n<p>The league doesn\u2019t want teams down the bottom for too long, particularly a club as rich and powerful as West Coast. <\/p>\n<p>So King suspects it\u2019s a matter of when, not if, the Eagles will get a handout, leading to his debate with Clark below &#8230; <\/p>\n<p>King: \u201c(McQualter has) Taken over a basket case, really. This year they\u2019ve won 19 quarters of footy \u2014 the worst in the competition \u2014 last year they won 26. To put that into context, Richmond won 28 and Kangaroos won 30, so they\u2019re a long way off. I do think they need some AFL help, whether they\u2019ll get that this year or next, it\u2019ll come. They\u2019ve won 11 games in four years.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Clark: \u201cThey&#8217;re paying for the mistakes on the back of the flag, they had the option to trade out some stars. Western Bulldogs would\u2019ve Jeremy McGovern and Jack Darling in a heartbeat. They hung onto them and didn\u2019t get those picks in and paid a lot for Tim Kelly. That\u2019s what happens. If you keep trying to shoot for the premiership, you end up paying the price. Haven\u2019t we got to move past this time of just dishing out these free picks to try and help clubs from mistakes?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>King: \u201cEvery club make mistakes, that\u2019s why they end up here &#8230; you can\u2019t have a club rusted to the bottom of the table for eight years when you\u2019re in the equalisation business.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Clark: \u201cWell then Collingwood and Geelong, for example, should just keep loading up and topping up. And when they do fall off the cliff, they\u2019ll know the AFL will pick them up too.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>King: \u201cNo one is aiming to fall off the cliff. But if three people at your football club make bad decisions three years in a row, should the whole 100,000-plus strong fan base pay the price of that for a decade? That\u2019s just nonsense.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Clark: \u201cWell, they\u2019re about to get Pick 2 for Oscar Allen, who heads to Brisbane. So they\u2019ll already get Pick and Pick 2, that\u2019s a fair whack already &#8230; Allen going will be a win for this football club. Richmond made these hard decisions trading out their stars to get the picks in.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Cats secure 2nd, Cameron seals Coleman | 01:14<\/p>\n<p>CONCERNS FOR PIES \u2018VULNERABILITIES\u2019 AFTER CRUEL BLOW<\/p>\n<p>It felt like the wheels were falling off at Collingwood for a while. But the Pies crucially held onto their spot in the top four ahead of a whole new season in two weeks for a group proven on the September stage. <\/p>\n<p>Suddenly Collingwood fans will be daring to dream again about a repeat of 2023 after witnessing their side\u2019s flag hopes gradually dwindle in the second half of the season. <\/p>\n<p>Craig McRae\u2019s experienced side will have to get by without Howe for at least half of its finals campaign though, with the veteran defender to miss at least two games after a groin setback to continue his tough injury run over the last couple of months. <\/p>\n<p>And an AFL great is concerned that it could leave their back six vulnerable.<\/p>\n<p>Though Howe, 35, is in the twilight of his career, he remains an integral member of Collingwood\u2019s defence in the area of the ground that made the club so dominant earlier this season. <\/p>\n<p>It could set a particularly hard task if Collingwood comes up against finals opponents with multiple key forward weapons, like Adelaide, Hawthorn and the Western Bulldogs, forcing the likes of Harry Perryman and Brayden Maynard to play as undersized third talls. <\/p>\n<p>&#8216;This is horrific timing&#8217; &#8211; Howe subbed | 00:42<\/p>\n<p>North Melbourne great David King still doesn\u2019t have complete trust in what the Pies will do this finals series, particularly with Howe sidelined for the foreseeable future. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cI don\u2019t think they\u2019re bankable,\u201d King said. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think they\u2019re dangerous, which is still great. But I don\u2019t think they\u2019re the product of 2023, put it that way. They run off a few cylinders. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cI still think there\u2019s some defensive vulnerabilities. If Howe is not there for the first two weeks of finals against good sides, they\u2019re the cracks that get exposed.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Tigers champion Jack Riewoldt said Collingwood \u201cwill do anything\u201d to get Howe back to bolster McRae\u2019s defence.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe don\u2019t know exactly what the extent of the injury is. But they will be doing everything to get him back on the park,\u201d Riewoldt said. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhen Jeremy Howe is out there, Darcy Moore is a better player and Collingwood is a two-goal better defence. He\u2019s so important for them for finals.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"A Swans star couldn\u2019t hide his frustration after the club\u2019s \u2018disappointing\u2019 season ended. 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