{"id":946697,"date":"2026-10-30T18:54:18","date_gmt":"2026-10-30T18:54:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/946697\/"},"modified":"2026-10-30T18:54:18","modified_gmt":"2026-10-30T18:54:18","slug":"manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/946697\/","title":{"rendered":"Manifestos, Fear, and \u2018Loser Thinking\u2019: Inside Proton\u2019s AI Reckoning"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Andy Yen, the CEO of Proton, had a message for an employee in the company\u2019s security Slack channel who urged the company to at least take a few days to pentest newly written code before pushing it live. \u201cThat\u2019s bullshit and loser thinking. Of course it\u2019s possible to be fast and secure,\u201d Yen wrote in the channel at the end of August. \u201cStop thinking always of how to be slower, and focus more on how to be faster.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In a follow-up message, Yen reiterated his point: \u201conly losers think like that.\u201d His ultimate message for the team was to \u201cstop lovingly handcrafting all our code and use AI more.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That exchange was just one of many that showed how Yen and other company executives are aggressively pushing Proton towards AI. Proton is a Swiss company that famously makes the encrypted email service Proton Mail and a suite of privacy and security-focused products, including an encrypted drive service, an authenticator app, a password manager, and more.<\/p>\n<p>In the last few months, Yen set up an email address for employees to contact if they come across anything blocking adoption of AI at Proton, so leadership can \u201cruthlessly smash everything that stands in the way of AI velocity;\u201d Proton installed software on workers\u2019 computers that track how much AI code the company is generating; and Yen said this is the last year that Proton will hire engineers at all, and instead only hire people to build things with AI.<\/p>\n<p>That AI push came to head this week when <a href=\"https:\/\/www.404media.co\/proton-to-re-interview-staff-about-ai-to-see-who-gets-to-keep-their-job\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">404 Media reported<\/a> Proton said it would re-interview staff about their use of AI, with the clear implication that those interviews, and employees\u2019 willingness to embrace AI, could decide whether a worker is fired or not.<\/p>\n<p>404 Media spoke to eight current and one former Proton employees and reviewed Slack chats, meeting recordings, and an AI manifesto written by the company\u2019s CTO. Our reporting reveals a culture of fear inside Proton, where many employees are hesitant to even mildly critique Yen\u2019s views or discuss engineering problems. Workers describe an environment where employees have genuine concerns about security or being asked to develop security products with AI, but feel unable to voice them, lest Yen berates them in front of everyone or threatens their employment at the company.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe CEO is in full AI psychosis and has been for a while now,\u201d one of the sources told 404 Media.<\/p>\n<p>Our reporting also paints a picture of Proton that is likely very different to the public\u2019s perception of a company with a goal of carefully protecting privacy: one that in reality is barreling ahead with AI as quickly as possible so it can achieve the explicit goal of more annual revenue.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cDue to insufficient velocity,\u201d Proton is not on track to achieve its annual recurring revenue target by the end of the year, one internal document obtained by 404 Media reads. Proton\u2019s year-over-year growth is also \u201cfar away from what the market today considers to be good,\u201d and, \u201cBy all metrics that matter, we\u2019re an underperforming company.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In response to detailed questions from 404 Media, a Proton spokesperson did not dispute any of our reporting or characterization of what\u2019s happening inside of the company.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s clear that some people at Proton are unhappy with our direction, or misunderstand it, and many people are anxious,\u201d they said. \u201cIn our determination to move fast, we have sometimes been too blunt or too slow in explaining ourselves to our people. We will work on that, as their questions are the ones we most need to answer.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\ud83d\udca1<\/p>\n<p>Do you know anything else about Proton? I would love to hear from you. Using a non-work device, you can message me securely on Signal at joseph.404 or send me an email at joseph@404media.co.<\/p>\n<p>Yen, a former CERN particle physicist, projects a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=RTCkiWju46o&amp;ref=404media.co\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">measured approach in public<\/a>, but internally he acts more like what one employee described as a \u201cpetulant child.\u201d In May, <a href=\"https:\/\/proton.me\/blog\/introducing-post-quantum-encryption?ref=404media.co\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Proton announced it was implementing<\/a> post-quantum cryptography which should protect against future attacks from quantum computers. The work took years of effort, with one caveat that it would not work on older emails, only those written after the feature\u2019s launch, at least for the moment. Yen was not happy that Proton was drawing attention to this limitation.<\/p>\n<p>In a Slack channel dedicated to thanking people for their work, Yen jumped in. \u201cGet it fixed,\u201d he wrote, referring to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/ProtonMail\/comments\/1t4bbcu\/introducing_postquantum_encryption_support_in\/?ref=404media.co\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Proton\u2019s Reddit post announcing<\/a> the feature. \u201cNow Reddit is pissed and we look worse than Tuta,\u201d he added, referring to a Proton competitor. When employees explained to Yen the nuances of the encryption and why that was not immediately possible, Yen wrote, \u201cI find this whole thing stupid. You cannot announce this in this way.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNow we are left with two shitty choices. Deprioritize more important tasks for the business to re-encrypt old emails, or constantly get attacked online for not doing it. So maybe you can enlighten me on which of the two shitty choices we will take,\u201d he wrote. \u201cIn the future there are two options. Either you guys are confident enough to not fuck this up, or you get my advice to make sure it is not fucked up,\u201d he added. He then told a member of the team that made it to \u201cgo on Reddit.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo go on there with your personal account and comment to set the record straight,\u201d he wrote. \u201cPerception is more important than truth, the truth doesn\u2019t matter if you don\u2019t win on perception.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>One employee told 404 Media, \u201cWhatever persona Andy [Yen] has out of Proton, he\u2019s a straight up bully inside. He routinely breaks his little facade in Slack and calls people losers and stupid, often for stuff he\u2019s paying them for.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ever since launching Proton Mail in 2014 after the Snowden revelations, Proton has steadily introduced new products that make Proton more of a worksuite than a simple email provider. More recently, those products were focused around AI, with the launch of Lumo, a large language model (LLM) chatbot that the company says doesn\u2019t log conversations or train on user data. In June, Proton <a href=\"https:\/\/proton.me\/blog\/lumo-2?ref=404media.co\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">launched a 2.0 version<\/a> of its chatbot.<\/p>\n<p>Up until this point, Yen\u2019s public comments on AI were relatively tame. In an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wired.com\/story\/the-big-interview-podcast-andy-yen-proton\/?ref=404media.co\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">August interview with WIRED<\/a>, he said Proton is \u201cbuilding AI features and AI tools, because I think if the privacy companies do not find a way to step in to build privacy-first AI, we are essentially ceding the future to tech companies that don\u2019t have the best interests of users at heart,\u201d and that the company was \u201ccapitalizing\u201d on the backlash to corporatized, invasive AI from companies like Google. Last year, <a href=\"https:\/\/theintercept.com\/2025\/01\/28\/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans\/?ref=404media.co\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Yen and Proton were criticized for statements<\/a> he made suggesting the Republican Party and Donald Trump would be harder on Big Tech than Democrats.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Toward the end of August, Yen\u2019s internal tone on AI shifted to having Proton use it as much as possible, and as quickly as possible, according to the Slack chats and multiple employees.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe train is coming, get onboard or get crushed. Don\u2019t be the professional fax machine operator in the internet age,\u201d he wrote to the security Slack channel. \u201cI think by the end of this year most developers stop programming and start writing specs for tests that AI will code and run, to validate AI written code that humans will no longer be able to review. This will be the last year that we hire engineers, and starting next year we hire what we used to call product managers, to build things with AI.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>AI is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.404media.co\/php2shell-black-october-ai-is-changing-everything-about-hacking-no-one-knows-what-happens-next\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">changing how cybersecurity works<\/a>, with AI agents hacking into companies, and AI assisting in the discovery of gaping vulnerabilities in important code. Many companies across the privacy and security space are grappling with how to deal with AI, either in the development of their products or how to defend themselves against hackers who are using AI. Some may do this carefully. Others are trying to do it as quickly as possible for profit. This account of Proton\u2019s own reckoning with AI provides an unprecedented insight into what is happening inside one security-focused company users especially trust.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Initially, using AI was banned inside Proton, but the company has since approved AI for all sorts of use cases internally, including processing financial data, drafting customer-facing responses on Reddit and LinkedIn, and writing code \u201cexcept when that source code contains information that would give immediate advantage to a competitor\u201d or is related to \u201cinnovation or R&amp;D [research and development],\u201d according to an internal Proton document seen by 404 Media. Ninety percent of code at Proton in October was written by AI, the company\u2019s CTO Bart Butler said in a meeting, according to audio 404 Media obtained. Much of that code is written with Anthropic\u2019s Claude, multiple employees told 404 Media. And Yen tells employees in Slack chats to use Claude, too.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe are a tech company against Big Tech who are spending loads on Claude,\u201d one employee told 404 Media.<\/p>\n<p>In the \u201cbullshit and loser thinking\u201d conversation, another employee pushed Yen for specifics on ensuring that AI-generated code was free of security issues. \u201cAI won\u2019t magically solve our problems, because security is low in our prioritization at present,\u201d the engineer said. Yen didn\u2019t respond directly, and went on to insult one of the other employees in front of the entire channel. The employee \u201cis saying his usual bs of we can do it but we will be even slower than we are today and I\u2019m saying only losers think like that,\u201d Yen wrote, adding that workers should prompt \u201cbetter.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYou have the models and the time every developer should be doing this and checking their code which they were doing before manually but now they can do faster with AI,\u201d Yen added. (One employee stressed that engineers still strive to build in a secure way.)\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The second clear signal that Proton was going deep into AI for many employees happened when Butler, the CTO, published a self-described AI manifesto one Friday afternoon last month.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYour old job is gone,\u201d the manifesto, posted to Slack, told engineers. It laid out a future for Proton that fully embraced AI, and said if the company did not do so, that posed an \u201cexistential threat to the success of the mission itself.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Butler said that Proton needs to change in three key ways: accept that an engineers\u2019 job is now to help LLMs write better code, faster; that Proton needs to get to the point where most code is not reviewed by humans but by AI; and to more fundamentally change the company as a whole, and \u201ccommit, as an organization, to the transformation that the moment requires.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Butler&#8217;s AI manifesto, which 404 Media retyped.<\/p>\n<p>One Proton employee replied in Slack, \u201cPerhaps scaring people with: We are in a new world. \u2018Programming\u2019 is dead [&#8230;] your old job is gone wasn\u2019t really necessary on a Friday afternoon.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Butler replied, \u201cIt\u2019s supposed to be provocative, because it needs to be. I suggest you read it, think about it over the weekend, and come with your questions to me on Monday rather than on Slack. Thanks!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>An employee told 404 Media, \u201c\u200b\u200bPeople were surprised and somewhat cringed out, since the document clearly exaggerates what you can do with LLMs today and doesn&#8217;t address any of the problems you get in return for giving up your code base to the AI Jesus (e.g. AI cannot really maintain a large code base over time).\u201d Another called it \u201cethically bankrupt.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Earlier this week, Proton sent the email to employees saying they would re-interview workers about how they use AI in their jobs. The tone was clear; you may lose your job because of these interviews, current employees told 404 Media. \u201cThese re-interviews are consequential,\u201d the email read. Soon after, a senior employee spoke up in Slack to Yen about the re-interviewing process. He suggested instead that Proton detect who is falling behind and support them and enforce high quality training.<\/p>\n<p>Yen\u2019s response was blunt: \u201cLet\u2019s put it this way, we already know more or less who is behind. If we were giving up on them, we would not bother with this process.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The employee replied, \u201cThat messaging is fear-based. Which is probably why I suspect there are dozens of other employees watching us talk about this live and except for [other employee] no one else is chiming in.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPeople shouldn\u2019t be scared to talk about this in public and to push back on you and leadership. A fear based culture feels like a cancer to me. It\u2019s the opposite of engineering, you need to talk about things, even uncomfortable things,\u201d they added. Yen eventually told the employee, in front of everyone: \u201cIf you are making the accusation that this is a financially driven decision and you don\u2019t trust me when I tell you it\u2019s not, then I think this might not be the place for you.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Photo_illustration_in_India_01_Dec_2023_23335625348020-1.jpg\" class=\"kg-image\" alt=\"\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1351\"  \/>Image: Sipa USA via AP.<\/p>\n<p>Only one other employee chimed in during that exchange: \u201cIt\u2019s about the culture you instil, people don\u2019t want to feel like they\u2019re on a tightrope, and yes we understand you want to move fast but there needs to be a balance, people also need support, not everyone is the same.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt was also faster for my parents to beat me until I ate my vegetables but I\u2019m not sure it was healthy,\u201d they added.<\/p>\n<p>The exchange with Yen was unusual not only in that someone was debating some of Yen\u2019s ideas, but also that it directly referenced the culture of fear at Proton. \u201cWhenever someone talks back to Andy it tends to be highlighted since very few people talk back to him,\u201d one employee told 404 Media.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Andy Yen, the CEO of Proton, had a message for an employee in the company\u2019s security Slack channel&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":946698,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[256,254,255,64,63,105],"class_list":["post-946697","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-artificial-intelligence","tag-ai","tag-artificial-intelligence","tag-artificialintelligence","tag-au","tag-australia","tag-technology"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/946697","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=946697"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/946697\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/946698"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=946697"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=946697"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/au\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=946697"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}