This week, Ariana Grande sat down with internet star Evan Ross Katz to talk Wicked: For Good, touring, music, and more.Ariana Grande in a podcast studio, wearing a collared shirt, seated with a microphone, smiling with a plant in the backgroundDuring the chat, they also discussed Ariana’s early mentors in the music industry. “I’m very lucky that my idols have been very kind to me,” she answered. “I remember Madonna immediately was very kind. I think she was one of the first people to reach out and give me a warm welcome, and it was just very cool.”Ariana Grande on stage in a glittering, sleeveless gown holds a microphone, engaging with the audience

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She also named-dropped Mariah Carey and Beyoncé, recalling one time when Beyoncé personally invited her to her music video set. “I was just there in the corner like, ‘Why am I here?'” Ariana joked. “[Beyoncé] just was being kind, she just gave me a little advice — I asked — and she was so kind. Even if I’m not super close, it was just a really kind thing for her to do that.”

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Evan then asked, “What about becoming artistic equals with some of these people?”Evan Ross Katz speaking passionately into a microphone with "A" logo, wearing a striped shirt, next to a potted plant

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Ariana immediately shook her head and said, “Not equals.”Ariana Grande speaking in an interview, wearing a collared shirt, seated near a microphone

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“Okay, well, I can say equals,” Evan replied. “You don’t have to say it.”Evan Katz Ross gesturing expressively while speaking into a microphone during an interview, wearing a striped short-sleeve shirt

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Ariana frowned at the comment.Ariana Grande with a high ponytail speaks into a microphone during a podcast interview, seated near large plant leavesThen she side-eyed Evan.Ariana Grande with long hair in a ponytail, wearing a collared shirt, speaks into a microphone during an interview

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Then she shrugged it off and jumped back into the conversation. But her face said everything.Ariana Grande with a ponytail speaking into a microphone, wearing a shirt with a wide collar

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You can watch the moment here around the 28:10 mark, then let me know your thoughts in the comments!

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