{"id":110258,"date":"2025-08-31T18:52:07","date_gmt":"2025-08-31T18:52:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/110258\/"},"modified":"2025-08-31T18:52:07","modified_gmt":"2025-08-31T18:52:07","slug":"the-challenge-of-measuring-the-mass-of-3i-atlas-by-avi-loeb-aug-2025","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/110258\/","title":{"rendered":"The Challenge of Measuring the Mass of 3I\/ATLAS | by Avi Loeb | Aug, 2025"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a rel=\"noopener follow nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/avi-loeb.medium.com\/?source=post_page---byline--7490db969838---------------------------------------\" data-discover=\"true\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Avi Loeb\" class=\"m fd bx by bz cx\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/1*upiboNSChj1BIvycXiID7w.png\" width=\"32\" height=\"32\" loading=\"lazy\" data-testid=\"authorPhoto\"\/><\/a>Press enter or click to view image in full size<img alt=\"\" class=\"bh ll my c\" width=\"700\" height=\"934\" loading=\"eager\" role=\"presentation\"\/>(Credit: <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/www.siyavula.com\/read\/za\/mathematical-literacy\/grade-10\/measuring-length-weight-volume-and-temperature\/05-measuring-length-weight-volume-and-temperature-03\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Ciyavula<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p id=\"ae8b\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ne nf gw ng b nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv nw nx ny nz oa ob gp bk\">The biggest uncertainty about the interstellar object <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/3I\/ATLAS\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">3I\/ATLAS<\/a> involves the diameter of its solid-density nucleus. The flux detected by the <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/science.nasa.gov\/mission\/spherex\/\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">SPHEREx<\/a> space observatory at a wavelength of 1 micrometer from 3I\/ATLAS on August 8\u201312, 2025 suggests a huge nucleus or alternatively an opaque dust cloud that scatters sunlight with a diameter of 46 kilometers (as reported <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/arxiv.org\/pdf\/2508.15469\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>). The limited resolution of the <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/arxiv.org\/pdf\/2508.02934\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Hubble Space Telescope image<\/a> does not provide a robust constraint on the fraction of sunlight reflected by the nucleus relative to a surrounding dust cloud. The theoretical inference drawn from the data (accessible <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/arxiv.org\/pdf\/2508.02934\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>) is highly model-dependent and does not resolve the existing uncertainty about the size of 3I\/ATLAS.<\/p>\n<p id=\"b628\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ne nf gw ng b nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv nw nx ny nz oa ob gp bk\">If the reflecting region has solid density, then its 46-kilometer diameter implies a nucleus mass of about 10^{20} grams, a million times bigger than the estimate for the previous interstellar comet <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/2I\/Borisov\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">2I\/Borisov<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p id=\"6fe9\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ne nf gw ng b nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv nw nx ny nz oa ob gp bk\">Since the nucleus mass scales as diameter cubed, measuring the mass of 3I\/ATLAS would tightly constrain its size. What are the possible ways to measure the mass of this intriguing interstellar object?<\/p>\n<p id=\"445c\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ne nf gw ng b nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv nw nx ny nz oa ob gp bk\">One way to gauge the nucleus mass is through the rocket equation. The force acting on the object equals the excess of its mass loss rate towards the Sun times the outflow speed relative to its surface. Dividing this non-gravitational force by the object\u2019s non-gravitational acceleration gives its mass. In principle, all three parameters: the mass loss rate, the outflow velocity and the non-gravitational acceleration, can be measured. The mass loss rate of CO2 from 3I\/ATLAS was inferred from the recent Webb telescope data to be 129 kilograms per second, and the outflow speed was estimated at 0.44 kilometers per second (both discussed <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/arxiv.org\/pdf\/2508.18209\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>). The product of these measured quantities yields for a 46-kilometer solid a non-gravitational acceleration of order 6&#215;10^{-11} centimeter per second squared (or equivalently 3&#215;10^{-14} Earth-Sun separations (AU) per day squared). This level of acceleration is an order of magnitude below the lowest levels measured for solar system objects (reported <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/arxiv.org\/pdf\/2412.07603\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>). Hence, the non-gravitational acceleration will be detectable if the mass loss rate increases as 3I\/ATLAS approaches the Sun, or if the diameter of its nucleus is smaller. A sub-kilometer diameter is required to reconcile the discrepancy between a high mass for 3I\/ATLAS and the reservoir of rocky material in interstellar space, as I noted in my first paper on 3I\/ATLAS (accessible <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/iopscience.iop.org\/article\/10.3847\/2515-5172\/adee06\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>). In that case, the reduced diameter would imply a nucleus mass below 10^{15} grams and a non-gravitational acceleration above 6&#215;10^{-6} centimeters per second squared (or equivalently 3&#215;10^{-9} AU per day squared), only 50 times smaller than the large value measured for 1I\/`Oumuamua (as reported <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/s41586-018-0254-4\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p id=\"6edc\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ne nf gw ng b nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv nw nx ny nz oa ob gp bk\">Since the mass loss rate scales with area and the non-gravitational acceleration scales inversely with volume, the rocket equation is a good approach for measuring the mass of small objects. In the opposite limit of large objects, gravity offers a better gauge.<\/p>\n<p id=\"ce75\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ne nf gw ng b nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv nw nx ny nz oa ob gp bk\">On October 3, 2025, 3I\/ATLAS will pass within a distance of 29 million kilometers from Mars. As a result of its gravitational influence, it will give Mars a kick as if the two objects were fuzzy billiard balls. The magnitude of the velocity kick is given by the gravitational acceleration that its mass, M, exerts at the distance of closest approach to Mars, b, namely: (GM\/b\u00b2) with G being Newton\u2019s constant, times the period of time over which 3I\/ATLAS acts strongly on Mars, (2b\/v), given their relative velocity v. For M~10^{20} grams, b=29 million kilometers, and v~90 kilometers per second, one gets a velocity kick of ~3&#215;10^{-7} centimeters per second. Unfortunately, this kick is unmeasurable given the uncertainties in the orbit of Mars or any other Solar system planet that 3I\/ATLAS will interact with.<\/p>\n<p id=\"cdf3\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ne nf gw ng b nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv nw nx ny nz oa ob gp bk\">Of course, the kick would have been larger if 3I\/ATLAS were to maneuver and get closer to Mars. The so-called Minimum Orbit Intersection Distance (MOID) of 3I\/ATLAS from Mars, namely the closest that 3I\/ATLAS gets to the complete path of Mars around the Sun is remarkably short, just 0.018 AU or 2.7 million kilometers. This by itself constitutes another rare anomaly of 3I\/ATLAS. If 3I\/ATLAS is a technological mothership, this proximity makes it easy for it to release a mini-probe that would reach Mars easily with the appropriate ejection velocity. In addition, a small orbit correction by 3I\/ATLAS could shrink this MOID of Mars to zero.<\/p>\n<p id=\"b1d9\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ne nf gw ng b nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv nw nx ny nz oa ob gp bk\">But as Francis Bacon noted: \u201c<a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/if_the_mountain_won%27t_come_to_Muhammad\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">If the mountain won\u2019t come to Muhammad, then Muhammad must go to the mountain<\/a>.\u201d NASA should use all the fuel available to bring the Juno spacecraft as close as possible to 3I\/ATLAS when it passes within 34 million kilometers from Jupiter on March 16, 2026 as discussed in my paper with Adam Hibberd and Adam Crowl (accessible <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/arxiv.org\/pdf\/2507.21402\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>). The gravitational deflection that might be introduced by 3I\/ATLAS to the path of Juno can later be used for an exquisite mass measurement of 3I\/ATLAS.<\/p>\n<p id=\"ff56\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ne nf gw ng b nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv nw nx ny nz oa ob gp bk\">In the coming months, we might have the privilege of measuring the mass of 3I\/ATLAS by applying the rocket equation to its mass loss or measuring the gravitational kick it gives to various objects along its path.<\/p>\n<p id=\"31fc\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ne nf gw ng b nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv nw nx ny nz oa ob gp bk\">Following the advice of basketball coaches to their team players, we must keep our eyes on the ball and not on the audience. The nature of 3I\/ATLAS will be decided by better data and not the number of likes or premature <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/phdbrandenburg\/status\/1961636469694771330?s=46\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Nobel Prize promises<\/a> on social media.<\/p>\n<p id=\"d182\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ne nf gw ng b nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv nw nx ny nz oa ob gp bk\">ABOUT THE AUTHOR<\/p>\n<p>Press enter or click to view image in full size<img alt=\"\" class=\"bh ll my c\" width=\"700\" height=\"1060\" loading=\"lazy\" role=\"presentation\"\/>(Image Credit: Chris Michel, National Academy of Sciences, 2023)<\/p>\n<p id=\"072a\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ne nf gw ng b nh ni nj nk nl nm nn no np nq nr ns nt nu nv nw nx ny nz oa ob gp bk\">Avi Loeb is the head of the Galileo Project, founding director of Harvard University\u2019s \u2014 Black Hole Initiative, director of the Institute for Theory and Computation at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, and the former chair of the astronomy department at Harvard University (2011\u20132020). He is a former member of the President\u2019s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology and a former chair of the Board on Physics and Astronomy of the National Academies. He is the bestselling author of \u201c<a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harpercollins.com\/products\/extraterrestrial-avi-loeb?variant=39935330418722\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Extraterrestrial:<\/a> <a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harpercollins.com\/products\/extraterrestrial-avi-loeb?variant=39935330418722\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth<\/a>\u201d and a co-author of the textbook \u201c<a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hup.harvard.edu\/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987579\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Life in the Cosmos<\/a>\u201d, both published in 2021. The paperback edition of his new book, titled \u201c<a class=\"ag nd\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harpercollins.com\/products\/interstellar-avi-loeb-1?variant=40982888415266\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Interstellar<\/a>\u201d, was published in August 2024.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Press enter or click to view image in full size(Credit: Ciyavula) The biggest uncertainty about the interstellar object&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":110259,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[24],"tags":[49,48,314,66],"class_list":{"0":"post-110258","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-physics","8":"tag-ca","9":"tag-canada","10":"tag-physics","11":"tag-science"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/110258","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=110258"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/110258\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/110259"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=110258"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=110258"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=110258"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}