{"id":154013,"date":"2025-09-19T03:11:08","date_gmt":"2025-09-19T03:11:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/154013\/"},"modified":"2025-09-19T03:11:08","modified_gmt":"2025-09-19T03:11:08","slug":"colossal-claims-that-dodo-de-extinction-is-right-around-the-corner-5-7-years-but-at-best-theyll-get-a-faux-doh","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/154013\/","title":{"rendered":"Colossal claims that dodo \u201cde-extinction\u201d is right around the corner (5-7 years). But at best they\u2019ll get a \u201cfaux-doh\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"

(Matthew Cobb, who helped me with this post, gets full credit for coining the name of the animal Colossal aims to produce: a \u201cfaux-doh\u201d.)<\/p>\n

Well, after having given us a trio of genetically modified and robust, light-colored gray wolves<\/a> (Canis lupus), proclaiming and pretending that they were really \u201cde-extincted\u201d dire wolves<\/a>\u00a0(Aenocyon dirus), Colossal\u00a0 Laboratories and Biosciences<\/a> is reaching up its sleeve to produce their next trick: a \u201cde-extincted\u201d dodo.\u00a0 Except that they\u2019re not going to produce a genuine dodo, or anything close to it. Colossal is going to make a few changes in the genome of a dodo relative (the closest living relative: the Nicobar pigeon), and then produce something that looks superficially like a dodo. They then plan to put a bunch of these faux dodos back on the island of Mauritius, where they went extinct at the end of the 17th century.<\/p>\n

But this endeavor faces even more problems than the does \u201cwoolly mammoth de-extinction\u201d, said to take place within a decade or so. (Colossal says we\u2019ll have dodos in 5-7 years.) Most pressing is that we lack public information on the dodo genome (Colossal won\u2019t publish the sequence and won\u2019t tell us how much they have), and they will almost surely be unable to change anything more than the superficial appearance of a Nicobar pigeon, which was much smaller than the flightless dodo. Further, it\u2019s very unlikely that Colossal will edit the pigeon genome to reproduce genes for behavior, ecology, and physiology of the dodo: the stuff that kept them alive on the island of Mauritius. So once again we get a \u201cde-extincted\u201d species lacking vital elements of the extinct species\u2019 genome that would enable it to survive in the wild today.\u00a0 Further, we don\u2019t yet have the technology to edit a bird egg and then put it in a surrogate mother who will ultimately lay the egg from which the faux dodo\/pigeon will hatch.\u00a0 Finally, Mauritius is still inhabited by the animals introduced by humans that drove the bird to extinction (e.g., goats, rats, and pigs), and so these hybrids, whatever they are\u2014but they will have to be big and flightless if they\u2019re going to get any attention\u2014will themselves go extinct if they\u2019re put back where they evolved\u2013and that is Colossal\u2019s aim.<\/p>\n

First, though, a bit about the dodo from Wikipedia.<\/p>\n

The\u00a0dodo\u00a0(Raphus cucullatus) is an\u00a0extinct\u00a0flightless bird<\/a>\u00a0that was\u00a0endemic<\/a>\u00a0to the island of\u00a0Mauritius<\/a>, which is east of\u00a0Madagascar\u00a0in the\u00a0Indian Ocean. The dodo\u2019s closest relative was the also-extinct and flightless\u00a0Rodrigues solitaire. The two formed the\u00a0subtribe\u00a0Raphina, a\u00a0clade\u00a0of extinct flightless birds that are a part of the group that includes\u00a0pigeons and doves\u00a0(the\u00a0family\u00a0Columbidae). The closest\u00a0living\u00a0relative of the dodo is the\u00a0Nicobar pigeon<\/a>. A white dodo was once thought to have existed on the nearby island of\u00a0R\u00e9union<\/a>, but it is now believed that this assumption was merely confusion based on the also-extinct\u00a0R\u00e9union ibis\u00a0and paintings of white dodos.<\/p>\n

Subfossil\u00a0remains show the dodo measured about 62.6\u201375 centimetres (2.05\u20132.46\u00a0ft) in height and may have weighed 10.6\u201317.5\u00a0kg (23\u201339\u00a0lb) in the wild. The dodo\u2019s appearance in life is evidenced only by drawings, paintings, and written accounts from the 17th century. Since these portraits vary considerably, and since only some of the illustrations are known to have been drawn from live specimens, the dodos\u2019 exact appearance in life remains unresolved, and little is known about its behaviour. It has been depicted with brownish-grey\u00a0plumage, yellow feet, a tuft of tail feathers, a grey, naked head, and a black, yellow, and green beak. It used\u00a0gizzard stones\u00a0to help\u00a0digest\u00a0its food, which is thought to have included fruits, and its main\u00a0habitat\u00a0is believed to have been the woods in the drier coastal areas of Mauritius. One account states its\u00a0clutch\u00a0consisted of a single egg. It is presumed that the dodo became flightless because of the ready availability of abundant food sources and a relative absence of predators on Mauritius. Though the dodo has historically been portrayed as being fat and clumsy, it is now thought to have been well-adapted for its ecosystem.<\/p>\n

The first recorded mention of the dodo was by Dutch sailors in 1598. In the following years, the bird was hunted by sailors and\u00a0invasive species, while its habitat was being destroyed. The last widely accepted sighting of a dodo was in 1662.<\/p>\n

From Wikipedia, a skeleton and a reconstruction:<\/p>\n

\"\"<\/a>From Wikipedia: \u201cSkeleton cast and model of dodo at the Oxford University Museum of Natural History, made in 1998 based on modern research\u201d BazzaDaRambler, CC BY 2.0<\/a>, via Wikimedia Commons<\/p>\n

Note that the dodo weighed on average over 10 kg (20-odd pounds), which, along with its tiny wings, is why it couldn\u2019t fly. (Birds on oceanic islands lacking predators often evolve flightlessness, which saves vital energy.)\u00a0 In contrast, the Nicobar pigeon, a flying species, weighs about one pound<\/a>. These two species shared a common ancestor about 20 million years ago, though there\u2019s some variation in estimates because of the paucity of dodo DNA.<\/p>\n

Their ecologies are also different: the pigeon is a flocking forest species (BTW, it\u2019s endangered), nests in trees, and eats mostly seeds<\/a>, fruit, and buds, and sometimes insects.. We don\u2019t know whether dodos flocked but they certainly didn\u2019t nest in trees! And, being larger, their diet likely consisted of bigger stuff. As Wikipedia<\/a> notes, \u201cIn addition to fallen fruits, the dodo probably subsisted on nuts, seeds, bulbs, and roots.\u00a0 It has also been suggested that the dodo might have eaten\u00a0crabs\u00a0and\u00a0shellfish, like their relatives the crowned pigeons.\u201d\u00a0 So the tastes, digestion, and physiology of the dodo probably differed profoundly from that of the Nicobar pigeon.\u00a0 Is Colossal going to genetically engineer its faux dodos to have these features so it eats the right stuff? That\u2019s important if they are to preserve, as they insist, the ecology of the \u201cde-extincted dodo.\u201d\u00a0 I won\u2019t even mention how the mating preferences and behavior of the dodo have to be engineered into a pigeon.<\/p>\n

This news piece from Nature (click to read) describes not only Colossal\u2019s method (see the Colossal dodo site here<\/a>), but also describes the problems they face in creating a faux dodo (see the subtitle):<\/p>\n

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Nature gives a handy pr\u00e9cis of the method:<\/p>\n

Colossal\u2019s plan starts with the dodo\u2019s closest living relative, the iridescent-feathered Nicobar pigeon (Caloenas nicobarica). The company plans to isolate and culture specialized primordial germ cells (PGCs) \u2014 which make sperm and egg-producing cells \u2014 from developing Nicobars. Colossal\u2019s scientists would edit DNA sequences in the PGCs to match those of dodos using tools such as CRISPR. These gene-edited PGCs would then be inserted into embryos from a surrogate bird species to generate chimeric animals \u2014 those with DNA from both species \u2014 that make dodo-like eggs and sperm. These could potentially produce something resembling a dodo (Raphus cucullatus).<\/p>\n

Colossal now says that the edited genome will be that of the Nicobar pigeon, and the surrogate will be a chicken. It\u2019s not clear whether they\u2019ll use chimeras and selection to get dodo-like birds, for that would take many years.<\/p>\n

You can already spot the problems with this endeavor. I\u2019ll list just a few that strike me:<\/p>\n

They have to sequence the whole dodo genome. It\u2019s not clear that it\u2019s been done; certainly nothing has been published, but I\u2019m sure some stuff has been sequenced.\u00a0 Colossal claims \u201c50X coverage\u201d of sequences so far, which means that each DNA base that they have was sequenced 50 times independently, but that says little about how much of the whole dodo genome (obtained from specimens in museums) has been sequenced.
\nRelated to that, dodo DNA is certainly fragmentary and degraded. Even if they can get all the bases, they have to be assembled in the right order into an entire genome, which is not an easy task.
\nThey have to know what the genes do, which is not at all obvious from the DNA sequence itself.\u00a0 And they have to decide how many dodo genes they want to engineer into the pigeon genome so that the engineered pigeon at least superficially resembles a dodo. That means they need genes for big size, diet, dodo nesting and mating behavior, winglessness, and so on. Doing that alone is a herculean effort even if they have the whole genome.
\n\u00a0We lack the technology to put a genetically engineered bird embryo into a surrogate species of bird. It\u2019s much easier with mammals, which don\u2019t lay eggs.
\n\u00a0Something that looks like a dodo has to have the brains of a dodo (no, they weren\u2019t dumb!), so that they\u2019ll behave like dodos and have a taste for dodo comestibles. They have to be able to seek out and survive in a dodo habitat if they\u2019re to be returned to Mauritius.
\nThe habitat of Mauritius has changed a lot in the last 300-odd years, and so any inserted dodo genes would be interacting with an environment very different from the one in which they evolved.
\nThey have to make a LOT of dodos: at least a male and female to start out with. As the Guardian article just below notes (click to read), Colossal says they could put\u00a0thousands of dodos in natural habitats within a decade, for repopulating the original habitat is the aim:\u201d\u2018Rough ballpark, we think it\u2019s still five to seven years out, but it\u2019s not 20 years out,\u2019 Ben Lamm, Colossal\u2019s chief executive, said about the timeline for the dodo\u2019s return. Colossal is working with wildlife groups to identify safe, rat-free sites in Mauritius where the species could once again roam. \u2018Our goal [says Lamm] is to make enough dodos with enough genetic diversity engineered into them that we can put them back into the wild where they can truly thrive,\u2019 he said. \u2018So we\u2019re not looking to make two dodos, we\u2019re looking to make thousands\u2019.\u201d
\nBeyond the technological problems, which seem insuperable, especially given the need to identify the genes to turn a pigeon into a faux dodo and figure out how to hatch a large very large faux dodo chick from an egg laid by a chicken, there are the ethical problems of genetically engineering many members of the endangered Nicobar pigeon.\u00a0 People also note how much effort this takes to rescue a single faux species, while real living species with their genomes intact are going extinct like gangbusters.\u00a0 As for the money, well, it comes mostly from private saps donors:From the Guardian:<\/p>\n

\u201cColossal\u2019s ongoing ascent, though, was underlined on Wednesday when it announced it extended its funding round by $120m, with the company now valued at $10.2bn. Celebrity investors, such as Tom Brady, Paris Hilton and Tiger Woods, have flocked<\/a> to the business.\u201d<\/p>\n

Peter Jackson, the Lord of the Rings director and another investor, appeared in a recent Colossal\u00a0video<\/a>\u00a0to promote its\u00a0effort to de-extinct the moa<\/a>, an enormous flightless bird once found in Jackson\u2019s native New Zealand.<\/p>\n

Peter Jackson was taken in? OY! I thought he was smart.<\/p>\n

Here\u2019s that piece from the Guardian; click to read:<\/p>\n

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Now the Guardian and Nature articles give quotes from several scientists who have doubts about the faux-dodo-\u201cdeextinction\u201d effort. I\u2019ll give just two:<\/p>\n

From Nature:<\/p>\n

Tom Gilbert, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Copenhagen who also advises Colossal, expects the dodo genome to be of high quality \u2014 it comes from a museum sample he provided to Shapiro. But he says that finding all the DNA differences between the two birds is not possible. Ancient genomes are cobbled together from short sequences of degraded DNA, and so are filled with unavoidable gaps and errors. And\u00a0research he published last year<\/a>\u00a0comparing the genome of the extinct Christmas Island rat (Rattus macleari) with that of the Norwegian brown rat (Rattus norvegicus)2<\/a>\u00a0suggests that gaps in the dodo genome could lie in the very DNA regions that have changed the most since its lineage split from that of Nicobar pigeons.<\/p>\n

Even if researchers could identify every genetic difference, introducing the thousands of changes to PGCs would not be simple. \u201cI\u2019m not sure it\u2019s feasible in the near future,\u201d says Jensen, whose team is encountering difficulties making a single genetic change to the genomes of quail.<\/p>\n

Focusing on only a subset of DNA changes, such as those that alter protein sequences, could slash the number of edits needed. But it\u2019s still not clear that this would yield anything resembling a wild dodo, says Gilbert. \u201cMy worry is that Paris Hilton thinks she\u2019s going to get a dodo that looks like a dodo,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n

I hope Paris Hilton enjoys how her money is used! And from the Guardian:<\/p>\n

While Colossal claims that its technology can aid endangered species rather than just resurrect lost relics, some experts claim its work diverts attention from threats to the natural world.<\/p>\n

Rich Grenyer, a biologist at the University of Oxford, said de-extinction is a \u201cdangerous\u201d distraction and that gene-edited animals are \u201cat best a sort of simulation, rather like those unnerving animated AI portraits of dead relatives sometimes see people create\u201d.<\/p>\n

\u201cBy labelling genetically engineered modern species as extinct ones brought back from the dead, if it takes off, it\u2019s a huge moral hazard; a massive enabler for the activities that causes species to go extinct in the first place \u2013 habitat destruction, mass killing and anthropogenic climate change,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ll close with two posts from our own Matthew Cobb, who, like me, is wary of Colossal\u2019s efforts and repelled by its hype. Ben Lamm is apparently Colossal\u2019s Official Hypester (Beth Shapiro, their chief scientific officer, sometimes chimes in), and Matthew uses a Lamm quote from the Guardian which is arrogant and patronizing. Lamm says that you can call the faux dodo whatever you want, but it just gins up controversy that increases \u201cmy numbers\u201d. I\u2019m not sure if he means clicks or dollars, but either way these are the words not of a scientist but a publicity-seeking, scientific P. T. Barnum.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m not going to link to the article, or to engage with the claims, because that is part of their schtick, as they admit here:<\/p>\n

\u2014 Matthew Cobb (@matthewcobb.bsky.social)<\/a> 2025-09-17T15:14:37.801Z<\/a><\/p>\n

Indeed. Keep quiet \u2013 they go unchallenged. Object \u2013 they get the clicks and the $$$. Either way they laugh all the way to the bank. You’d have thought that a reputed news outlet would notice that they were being played from those final quotes, and spiked the story, but they want the clicks too\u2026<\/p>\n

\u2014 Matthew Cobb (@matthewcobb.bsky.social)<\/a> 2025-09-17T16:01:54.273Z<\/a><\/p>\n

Click to go to Colossal\u2019s dodo hype-site.<\/p>\n

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