{"id":221392,"date":"2025-10-18T04:24:10","date_gmt":"2025-10-18T04:24:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/221392\/"},"modified":"2025-10-18T04:24:10","modified_gmt":"2025-10-18T04:24:10","slug":"brandi-carlile-joni-mitchell-has-this-grave-in-hollywood-sometimes-shell-go-there-and-have-lunch","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/221392\/","title":{"rendered":"Brandi Carlile: \u2018Joni Mitchell has this grave in Hollywood \u2013 sometimes she\u2019ll go there and have lunch\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Your support helps us to tell the story<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-1uza6dc-0 jEZjIj\">From reproductive rights to climate change to Big Tech, The Independent is on the ground when the story is developing. Whether it&#8217;s investigating the financials of Elon Musk&#8217;s pro-Trump PAC or producing our latest documentary, &#8216;The A Word&#8217;, which shines a light on the American women fighting for reproductive rights, we know how important it is to parse out the facts from the messaging.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-1uza6dc-0 jEZjIj\">At such a critical moment in US history, we need reporters on the ground. Your donation allows us to keep sending journalists to speak to both sides of the story.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-1uza6dc-0 jEZjIj\">The Independent is trusted by Americans across the entire political spectrum. And unlike many other quality news outlets, we choose not to lock Americans out of our reporting and analysis with paywalls. We believe quality journalism should be available to everyone, paid for by those who can afford it.<\/p>\n<p>Your support makes all the difference.Read more<\/p>\n<p>More than just her heart, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/brandi-carlile\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Brandi Carlile<\/a> wears her entire life on her sleeve. And her shoulder, chest and back. \u201cThey\u2019re gas station patches,\u201d she says, showing off the numerous badges sewn all over her otherwise smart blue jacket, each celebrating a town she\u2019s passed through on her 30-year journey from the backwoods of Washington state to the peak of Mount Americana.<\/p>\n<p>Sitting attentively in her record label\u2019s London offices, short blonde hair in a flamboyant flick and her natural, friendly smile lighting the room, this 44-year-old US country-rock star with 11 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/grammys\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Grammys<\/a> to her name \u2013 and the crystalline voice to justify every one \u2013 looks like the world\u2019s unlikeliest lot rat. To UK audiences only recently discovering her via this year\u2019s <a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/arts-entertainment\/music\/reviews\/elton-john-brandi-carlile-review-who-believes-in-angels-b2726852.html\">No 1 collaboration album with Elton John, Who Believes in Angels?,<\/a> she might seem more like an instant, overnight Americana star; a bolt of rich emotion from the heartland-sky blue. Being embraced in Britain, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/uk\/home-news\/elton-john-government-data-bill-house-of-lords-b2753137.html\" title=\"Sir Elton John \u2018incredibly betrayed\u2019 by Government\u2019s path on copyright law\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">homeland of both her beloved Elton<\/a> (her primary musical inspiration since the age of 11) and her wife Catherine, feels a little like a homecoming. \u201cIt feels very much like it\u2019s been a missing fragment, a missing piece of my life,\u201d she says. \u201cAnd I love this feeling of being discovered. I don\u2019t think everybody gets that in their forties again.\u201d She beams broadly. \u201cI get it twice, seriously?\u201d <\/p>\n<p>For Carlile is, in fact, a long-gestating talent 20 years into a successful US career (she shifted half a million copies of her 2007 breakthrough album The Story alone), and no stranger to the long, hard road to redemption. \u201cI understand poverty really well, having lived in and out of it,\u201d she says, citing her upbringing in a secluded house in the countryside outside Seattle. \u201cSometimes deep nature, the rural environment can conceal quite a lot of chaos. It\u2019s something I feed off of for every song ever. Every single thing that I create with art has to do with my upbringing and how crazy it was.\u201d Still, the smile endures. \u201cBut there was something really magical and wild about the way that I was raised,\u201d she continues. \u201cAnd my parents, as complicated as they were, are equally as magical and wise. There\u2019s a lot of twisted beauty in the wreckage that I was raised in.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Such open and unguarded reflections on her past are the bedrock of her new, eighth solo album, Returning to Myself, a collection of intimate life stories and ruminations steeped in the \u201cotherworldly\u201d textures of co-producer <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/aaron-dessner\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Aaron Dessner<\/a> of The National and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/arts-entertainment\/music\/news\/taylor-swift-album-showgirl-marketing-b2840796.html\" title=\"Taylor Swift\u2019s album was a guaranteed success, no matter the music. Here\u2019s why\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Taylor Swift co-writing fame<\/a> (there\u2019s also a guest spot from Bon Iver\u2019s Justin Vernon). Carlile refers to the record as a \u201cmid-forties f***ing \u2018a-ha!\u2019 moment\u201d, her more centring version of a midlife crisis. \u201cI have reached a place where I\u2019ve stopped being embarrassed of my younger self,\u201d she admits. \u201cI don\u2019t mind old songs or old pictures or home videos [anymore]. Everything feels like it\u2019s all been leading up to this moment, like it\u2019s all part of the story.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The album is that story in microcosm, its key beats almost playing in reverse. It begins with a title track based on a poem she wrote last October, \u201cutterly alone\u201d and suffering from \u201cthis incredible emotional and actual hangover\u201d in the barn-house guest room of Dessner\u2019s remote upstate New York home. She was there to begin undefined writing sessions, the day after her show at the Hollywood Bowl as part of a jam band alongside Joni Mitchell, Elton, Meryl Streep, Annie Lennox, and more \u2013 the culmination of a six-year journey to bring Mitchell back to music, following a 2015 brain aneurysm which left her unable to play or perform. \u201cI was approaching a crash and burn,\u201d she says. \u201cI knew I needed time off to recover from that, because it was all-consuming and very existentially complicated for me.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Returning to Myself then, travels backwards through marital monotony (\u201cAnniversary\u201d, inspired by a time when Carlile was \u201cstruggling to find my footing\u201d in her marriage) and youthful foreign flings (\u201cA Woman Oversees\u201d). And it ends, on \u201cA Long Goodbye\u201d, with the 17-year-old ingenue \u2013 already singing since the age of eight, writing songs from 15 and performing around Seattle with her long-time musical partners Phil and Tim Hanseroth from 16 \u2013 leaving home on her first ever flight to chase her musical dreams across America. \u201cI was really poor,\u201d she says, \u201creally determined and really hopeful and idealistic about what the world was like.\u201d <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Brandi-Carlile-1_Credit_-Collier-Schorr.jpg\"  loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Brandi Carlile: \u2018I was really poor, really determined and hopeful and idealistic about what the world was like\u2019\" class=\"sc-1mc30lb-0 ggpMaE inline-gallery-btn\"\/><\/p>\n<p>open image in gallery<\/p>\n<p>Brandi Carlile: \u2018I was really poor, really determined and hopeful and idealistic about what the world was like\u2019 (Collier Schorr)<\/p>\n<p>The world would ultimately prove overwhelmingly kind. Her showstopping voice wasn\u2019t god-given, but by the time ofThe Story she\u2019d \u201cwilled it\u201d to be incredible: \u201cI had these big notes built into it because I had all of this show-off energy where I wanted to get onstage and create these fireworks shows with my voice.\u201d And come the 2019 Grammys, America sat up. She sang her anthem for the unloved and illegal in Trump\u2019s America, \u201cThe Joke\u201d (a key track in her standing as activist, ally and fundraiser for humanitarian causes, racial justice and LGBTQ+ issues), typhooning the song\u2019s heart-stopping high notes into a golden microphone.<\/p>\n<p>Stateside, it was her \u201cSomeone Like You\u201d moment, unleashing a \u201cfire-hose of opportunity\u201d that she constantly feared would eventually fade. \u201cFor six or seven years now I\u2019ve felt, well, one day the phone won\u2019t ring and I\u2019ve said yes to everything and everyone and shown up and shown up.\u201d As a result, she scattered herself into too many pieces; Returning to Myself is something of a re-grounding exercise, of reminding herself who she is, four minutes at a time.<\/p>\n<p>Elton was pivotal. He and Carlile had been friends for some time. She guested on his 2021 album The Lockdown Sessions and co-wrote the theme to his 2024 documentary Never Too Late. But working together on a full album was challenging: Carlile\u2019s undercurrent of lifelong hero worship ran headlong into the iPad-smashing, lyric sheet-shredding realities of batting creative heads with one of pop\u2019s most volatile superstars.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt was stormy,\u201d Carlile grins. \u201cIt contained multitudes. But ultimately, it was totally life-affirming, and it centred me into myself in probably the way that began the process that led to this album because I really had to hold on to myself in that situation. There were moments of bliss, which can only come from having worked for something your whole life, and then have the person that\u2019s the reason you do it look at you and say \u2018you\u2019re really good\u2019. Those moments far outweighed the trials and tribulations of watching someone at the level of Beethoven compose music.\u201d <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/an_evening_with_elton_john_and_brandi_carlile_01.jpg\"  loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"\u2018It was stormy\u2019: Brandi Carlile on working with her idol Elton John\" class=\"sc-1mc30lb-0 ggpMaE inline-gallery-btn\"\/><\/p>\n<p>open image in gallery<\/p>\n<p>\u2018It was stormy\u2019: Brandi Carlile on working with her idol Elton John (ITV)<\/p>\n<p>Having to square the sainted rocket man Carlile had idolised as a child with the sweary brat bashing his headphones against his piano in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/tv\/culture\/elton-john-album-brandi-carlile-studio-behind-scenes-b2693002.html\" title=\"Swearing Elton John smashes headphones in studio tantrum while recording new album\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">infamous online footage from the studio<\/a> was jarring. \u201cHe was this conduit, this fantasy outside of my life and childhood, this place I wanted to live and frolic around, which was that I wanted to make it as a singer-songwriter,\u201d she says. \u201cI thought the man was an angel, and then I\u2019m with him and I\u2019m realising he\u2019s so much more. He has angelic tendencies, and then he\u2019s formidable and foreboding and cheeky and naughty, and he loves a goss. I had to go back to my 11-year-old self and go, \u2018Hey, is it OK that Elton John actually isn\u2019t an angel?\u2019.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Reconnecting with that abandoned inner child launched Carlile along the reflective path towards Returning to Myself. Elton also (very swearily) insisted that the album should include her most intimate and touching contribution to Who Believes in Angels?, \u201cYou Without Me\u201d. The album\u2019s other guiding light was Joni Mitchell. Having met the legendary songwriter at her 75th birthday tribute concert in 2018, at Mitchell\u2019s behest, Carlile began to curate regular Joni Jams in Mitchell\u2019s LA home. The likes of Paul McCartney, Elton, Meryl Streep, Kathy Bates, Bonnie Raitt and Harry Styles would join loose circles of players, encouraging Mitchell to sing again after the debilitating aneurysm. \u201cI was addicted to witnessing the miracle,\u201d Carlile says. \u201cEvery day a new thing came back. One week I would leave, and the next week I\u2019d come back, and she\u2019d remembered how to play guitar. I got to see that shit happen. Even more than being with a legend, what was most moving about it was watching a person scrape their way to recovery.\u201d <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/ELTON_JOHN-BERNIE_TAUPIN-PREMIO_GERSHWIN_15070.jpg\"  loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Annie Lennox, Brandi Carlile and Joni Mitchell performing together in 2024\" class=\"sc-1mc30lb-0 ggpMaE inline-gallery-btn\"\/><\/p>\n<p>open image in gallery<\/p>\n<p>Annie Lennox, Brandi Carlile and Joni Mitchell performing together in 2024 (AP)<\/p>\n<p>It was during Carlile\u2019s set at the Newport Folk Festival in 2022 that Mitchell performed her first full show in over 20 years, seated in an armchair and surprising even the band itself with the lustre of her performance. \u201cEverybody had learned to sing these songs to her or for her,\u201d Carlile grins, \u201cthen she gets out onstage and she just starts f***ing singing\u2026she\u2019s taking the songs back.\u201d She\u2019s dismissive about her importance to Mitchell\u2019s return, though. \u201cWhether Joni knew that she\u2019s the one that planned to get herself back to music or not, it really was all Joni. She allowed me to have the best seat in the house and I played a role, but she\u2019s learned to walk three times in her life and she didn\u2019t need anybody for that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A new album song called \u201cJoni\u201d paints the revered singer as a down-to-earth, no-nonsense, fun-loving \u201cwild woman\u201d. \u201cJoni will drink you under the table,\u201d Carlile laughs. \u201cShe\u2019s the last person to leave the party, she\u2019s 83 and she\u2019s a party animal.\u201d The track recalls one memorable night<a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/life-style\/fashion\/joni-mitchell-grammys-2024-performance-b2490644.html\"> at the Grammys in Las Vegas <\/a>when Mitchell spent the night bitching about the acts (\u201clistening to the s*** she was saying, it was f***ing hilarious\u201d) and convincing star-struck blackjack dealers to lower their stakes so she could play all night.<\/p>\n<p>When Joni smiled and called me an a**hole, I knew she loved the song<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s also the curious line \u201cshe threw a party on her grave\u201d. \u201cThat\u2019s real,\u201d Carlile reveals. \u201cShe has this grave in Hollywood and it\u2019s just a blank grave marker and she sometimes goes there and has lunch and drinks champagne with a couple of her friends.\u201d Carlile was naturally \u201cs***ing myself\u201d over playing the song to Mitchell. \u201cShe held that contemplative, furrowed brow until it got to the part of the song that said \u2018when I tell you I love you and you tell me, \u2018OK\u2019\u2019. Then she had a huge smile on my face and called me an a**hole. I knew that she loved the song.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Someone who might not be so enamoured of the record is Donald Trump. The fury-driven \u201cChurch &amp; State\u201d \u2013 the album\u2019s one overtly political punk rock track, jammed out on the night of Trump\u2019s second election win \u2013 imagines an intellectual revolution against the current US administration\u2019s appropriation of so-called Christian values to enable its oppressive ideology. <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/02102025_An_Evening_With_Brandi_Carlile_Chloe_Hashemi_CH1_4661-CR3.jpg\"  loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Returning to Myself: Carlile is set to release her eighth solo album\" class=\"sc-1mc30lb-0 ggpMaE inline-gallery-btn\"\/><\/p>\n<p>open image in gallery<\/p>\n<p>Returning to Myself: Carlile is set to release her eighth solo album (Chloe Hashemi)<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s just straight up about the separation of church and state and the creeping in of theocracy into the ideology and eventually the laws and practices of the country that I live in,\u201d she says, herself a faithful Christian. \u201cThe mystical does not belong in the practical. When we start legislating along dogmatic and religious lines, we\u2019re seeing the beginning of a significant decline as a people\u2026 And it\u2019s deeply, deeply personal, because my marriage depends on that not being the case.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Her eldest daughter, worried by her parents\u2019 conversations about their marriage potentially being illegitimised by cases and resolutions being put before the US Supreme Court to overturn gay marriage laws, recently reassured her mother that they\u2019d just \u201cbebop up to Canada\u201d instead. But Carlile believes that sense will eventually prevail. \u201cThe song is saying these ideologies, these people, they don\u2019t live forever,\u201d she says. \u201cThey\u2019re replaced by better and younger ideas.\u201d <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>While the MATA (Make America Trumpless Again) uprising gets its writs together, Trump horrifies Carlile with virtually every utterance. \u201cIt\u2019s shocking. I have daily spiritual, emotional and intellectual whiplash.\u201d Seeing the galvanising effect of the song on audiences, though, has bolstered her belief in the value of her platform. \u201cIt\u2019s made me really realise how important protest music is,\u201d she says. \u201cIf that\u2019s your gift and you do that, every time your words are gonna strike.\u201d Especially if you\u2019ve the voice of the vengeful angels; there\u2019s few that are a patch on Brandi Carlile.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018Returning to Myself\u2019, the new album from Brandi Carlile, is out on 24 October<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Your support helps us to tell the story From reproductive rights to climate change to Big Tech, The&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":221393,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[32],"tags":[49,48,361,75],"class_list":{"0":"post-221392","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-celebrities","8":"tag-ca","9":"tag-canada","10":"tag-celebrities","11":"tag-entertainment"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/221392","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=221392"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/221392\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/221393"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=221392"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=221392"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=221392"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}