{"id":221688,"date":"2025-10-18T07:23:13","date_gmt":"2025-10-18T07:23:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/221688\/"},"modified":"2025-10-18T07:23:13","modified_gmt":"2025-10-18T07:23:13","slug":"documents-reveal-new-witness-statements-to-rcmp-about-missing-n-s-children","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/221688\/","title":{"rendered":"Documents reveal new witness statements to RCMP about missing N.S. children"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/globalnews.ca\/tag\/rcmp\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">RCMP<\/a> has agreed to release new information about the disappearance of two children from their home in rural Nova Scotia, including accounts from witnesses who said they heard a vehicle going back and forth nearby, a few hours before the kids were reported missing.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/1760146148_446_70c8fc80.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"position:absolute;width:1px;height:1px\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer-when-downgrade\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Malehya Brooks-Murray reported her children, six-year-old Lilly and four-year-old\u00a0Jack\u00a0Sullivan, were missing at 10 a.m. on May 2. They all lived in Lansdowne Station, N.S., a rural community in the province\u2019s northeast. Brooks-Murray told police she believed the two children had wandered away from home.<\/p>\n<p>The RCMP agreed to release the new information to The Canadian Press and other media outlets ahead of a scheduled court hearing to review whether the information could be made public. They shed new light on a mystery that has garnered attention across the country ever since the children disappeared, nearly six months ago.<\/p>\n<p>The information appears in documents the Mounties filed in court earlier this year, to obtain search warrants for phone records, banking records and video, related to the case. Each document contains unproven statements made by police.<\/p>\n<p>Story continues below advertisement<\/p>\n<p>The documents say the last time the children were seen outside their home was on May 1, when they were captured by video surveillance at a local Dollarama store with their mother, Brooks-Murray, and Daniel Martell, their stepfather.<\/p>\n<p>In August, the police force had released redacted versions of the documents that included other revelations of their investigation, including a timeline of what happened after the children disappeared and details of the early days of the police investigation. On Friday, The Canadian Press obtained new copies of the documents with fewer redactions.<\/p>\n<p>\n\t\t\tMore on Canada<br \/>\n\t\t\tMore videos\n\t\t<\/p>\n<p>Included among the newly released information are summaries of police conversations with two residents who live nearby and say they heard a vehicle shortly before the children disappeared.<\/p>\n<p>The documents say one of those residents, Brad Wong, told police on May 9 that in the early hours of May 2 he heard a loud vehicle coming and going from the family\u2019s home on Gairloch Road.<\/p>\n<p>Wong told police his house is at an elevated position from Martell\u2019s home and he could also see vehicle lights over the treetops that night, the police documents say. Wong also said the vehicle left their address three or four times after midnight and into the early morning hours, according to the documents.<\/p>\n<p>The documents say Wong told police he heard the vehicle stop and return, remaining in earshot the entire time.<\/p>\n<p>Story continues below advertisement<\/p>\n<p>About a week after they spoke to Wong, police say they spoke to Justin Smith, the other nearby resident. Police say Smith told them on May 17 that he had spoken to Wong about the vehicle and that he also heard it in the early hours of the morning on May 2.<\/p>\n<p>Police say Smith told them the vehicle was on Highway 289 and turned around by the railroad tracks near the area of Gairloch Road and Lansdowne Station Road.<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" width=\"170\" height=\"225\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/1760146149_837_national.jpg\" alt=\"For news impacting Canada and around the world, sign up for breaking news alerts delivered directly to you when they happen.\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\tGet breaking National news<\/p>\n<p>For news impacting Canada and around the world, sign up for breaking news alerts delivered directly to you when they happen.<\/p>\n<p>According to the documents, Smith said he later spoke with Wong, who told him the vehicle he heard early that morning belonged to Daniel. Smith said Wong told him he had heard the loud vehicle come and go five or six times that night.<\/p>\n<p>The documents do not indicate whether anyone else reported hearing the vehicle.<\/p>\n<p>They indicate Brooks-Murray told police she tucked the children in for bed by 10 p.m., the night before they disappeared. Martell told police \u201che thought he went to bed fairly early that night and didn\u2019t wake up until it was light the next morning,\u201d the documents say.<\/p>\n<p>In an interview on Friday, Martell said claims that he was driving back and forth late at night are \u201ccomplete nonsense.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMy vehicle never moved out of the yard that night. And it never moved out of that yard the following day,\u201d he told The Canadian Press over the phone.<\/p>\n<p>Story continues below advertisement<\/p>\n<p>He added that at that time, the vehicle the family was using belonged to Murray-Brooks, and that it was \u201cnot a loud vehicle by any stretch of the imagination.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Martell said it\u2019s clear that the RCMP are working hard on the case, and he continues to hold on to hope that the children will be found.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI pray for the best resolution possible, and that is\u00a0Jack\u00a0and Lilly are found safe and healthy and they get to enjoy the rest of their lives,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>The RCMP said in the documents they had conducted at least a half-dozen polygraphs during their investigation \u2014 the first two were on May 12 with the children\u2019s parents at the detachment at Bible Hill, N.S.<\/p>\n<p>Martell\u2019s polygraph \u201cindicated he was truthful,\u201d as did the test for Brooks-Murray, the RCMP said.<\/p>\n<p>An unidentified investigator\u2019s comment included at the end of a section of a document on the results of both of those polygraphs says, \u201cAt this point in the investigation\u00a0Jack\u00a0and Lilly\u2019s disappearance is not believed to be criminal in nature.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI do not have reasonable grounds to believe a criminal offence has occurred. Because\u00a0Jack\u00a0and Lilly are still missing, polygraph examinations were conducted with the intention of ruling out that possibility.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>An affidavit sworn by Cpl. Charlene Jordan Curl of the RCMP\u2019s Northeast Nova Scotia major crime unit, says Brooks-Murray provided police with a video recording on a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB of a phone conversation between her grandmother Patti Pearson and Pearson\u2019s relative Darin Geddes.<\/p>\n<p>Story continues below advertisement<\/p>\n<p>According to the document, Geddes claimed to know information about the disappearance of Lilly and\u00a0Jack\u00a0and had suggested in social media postings that Brooks-Murray may have been involved in their disappearance, however it\u2019s stressed that \u201cthis is his theory.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The document says Geddes also suggested that he might know the location of the children, although police talked with him and say \u201che has not provided context as to why he has this theory.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\n\t\tTrending Now\n\t<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/globalnews.ca\/news\/11482562\/trump-100-tariff-on-china-not-sustainable\/\" class=\"c-posts__inner\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-posts__thumbnail\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Trump-China-tariff.jpg\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"336\" height=\"224\" alt=\"\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tTrump now says his 100% tariff on China \u2018not sustainable\u2019\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/globalnews.ca\/news\/11481163\/canadian-passport-visa-free-access\/\" class=\"c-posts__inner\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-posts__thumbnail\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/1760772192_922_Canada-Passport.jpg\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"336\" height=\"224\" alt=\"\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tCanadians have visa-free access to more countries than Americans: report\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Police said they sought a records access order to review the video recording.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt is unknown if Darin Geddes knew he was being recorded,\u201d Jordan Curl said in the document. \u201cI believe information provided in the recording could assist with locating the children by identifying further investigational avenues for police to pursue.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The USB was given to police at the Bible Hill, N.S., RCMP detachment on June 26 and police say the video of a phone conversation was made on the evening of June 21.<\/p>\n<p>Police say the video recording captured Pearson holding her home phone on speaker so her conversation with Geddes could be heard, although police do not specifically discuss details of the conversation.<\/p>\n<p>RCMP also say they had previously met with Geddes on May 30 when he told them he wanted to provide information on the disappearance of the children, but he became \u201cconfrontational and evasive\u201d when asked questions, and he wanted police to provide him with information about the investigation.<\/p>\n<p>Story continues below advertisement<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHe became upset when his questions were not answered,\u201d police say.<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, police say an interview was posted on a YouTube channel related to the disappearance of the children entitled \u201cIt\u2019s a Criming Shame.\u201d The interview is with a person identified as Derwood O\u2019Grady, whom police believe is a \u201cpseudonym for a male believed to be Malehya\u2019s grandmother\u2019s cousin and is potentially Geddes.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>During the interview, the person identified as O\u2019Grady made it clear that what he was saying \u201ccould be wrong, could be speculation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Police say that Brooks-Murray later told them that Geddes uses the name Derwood O\u2019Grady on social media.<\/p>\n<p>The documents also reveal that Brooks-Murray provided a statement to police saying she used a smartphone messaging application called TextPlus to call her mother and her grandmother after Lilly and\u00a0Jack\u00a0went missing, and that she used this because it allowed her to make phone calls using a wireless internet service. Police say Brooks-Murray told them she later deleted the software because she didn\u2019t need it anymore.<\/p>\n<p>Police say they requested Brooks-Murray\u2019s records from TextPlus Inc., specifically her records between May 1 and 2. The documents reveal they received results from this request, but other details were redacted.<\/p>\n<p>Brooks-Murray, when reached by The Canadian Press by phone on Friday, declined to provide a comment.<\/p>\n<p>Story continues below advertisement<\/p>\n<p>A spokesperson with the Nova Scotia RCMP said the police \u201cinitially sought to seal these ITOs in full, which is standard practice in sensitive investigations where the release of information could compromise the integrity \u2013 or future integrity \u2013 of the investigation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Portions of these redactions have been removed following the legal challenges brought forward by media organizations, Allison Gerrard said in an email Friday.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe remaining redactions reflect ongoing concerns related to privacy and continued protection of the investigative process.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This report by The Canadian Press was first published Oct. 17, 2025.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 With files from Keith Doucette in Halifax.<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-video__image\" alt=\"Click to play video: 'Search by RCMP cadaver dogs fail to turn up human remains in missing N.S. kids case'\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/sullivan_kids_update_vms.jpg\" loading=\"lazy\"   data-\/><\/p>\n<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t2:14<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tSearch by RCMP cadaver dogs fail to turn up human remains in missing N.S. kids case\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n<p>\t\tPrevious Video<\/p>\n<p>\t\tNext Video<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"The RCMP has agreed to release new information about the disappearance of two children from their home in&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":221689,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[49,48,2169,919,106486,44,920],"class_list":["post-221688","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-canada","tag-ca","tag-canada","tag-crime","tag-lilly-and-jack-sullivan","tag-missing-nova-scotia-kids","tag-news","tag-rcmp"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/221688","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=221688"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/221688\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/221689"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=221688"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=221688"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=221688"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}