{"id":360040,"date":"2025-12-21T16:41:10","date_gmt":"2025-12-21T16:41:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/360040\/"},"modified":"2025-12-21T16:41:10","modified_gmt":"2025-12-21T16:41:10","slug":"apple-ux-pioneer-on-reviving-computer-desktop-design","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/360040\/","title":{"rendered":"Apple UX Pioneer on Reviving Computer Desktop Design"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/jenson.org\/about-scott\/\" class=\"ext-link\" rel=\"external  nofollow noopener\" onclick=\"this.target=&#039;_blank&#039;;\" target=\"_blank\">Scott Jenson<\/a> is sad over the stagnation of computer desktop design, a field with still-untapped potential for making humans way more productive.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cDesktop UX has not meaningfully changed in 20 years,\u201d he lamented, sharing his thoughts at the <a href=\"https:\/\/ubuntu.com\/summit\" class=\"ext-link\" rel=\"external  nofollow noopener\" onclick=\"this.target=&#039;_blank&#039;;\" target=\"_blank\">Canonical Ubuntu Summit 2025<\/a>, in London earlier this year.<\/p>\n<p>Jenson was the first member of Apple\u2019s Human Interface group in the late 1980s and went on to do key product design for Symbian and <a href=\"https:\/\/cloud.google.com\/?utm_content=inline+mention\" class=\"ext-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"external  nofollow noopener\" onclick=\"this.target=&#039;_blank&#039;;\">Google<\/a>. Currently, he is a UX strategist in the open source world for both <a href=\"https:\/\/thenewstack.io\/poll-one-third-of-mastodon-users-wont-follow-threads-users\/\" class=\"local-link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Mastodon<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.home-assistant.io\/\" class=\"ext-link\" rel=\"external  nofollow noopener\" onclick=\"this.target=&#039;_blank&#039;;\" target=\"_blank\">Home Assistant<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPeople completely forget how powerful desktop is, because it is boring,\u201d he admits.<\/p>\n<p>A UX Pioneer<\/p>\n<p>Among his many achievements at Apple, Jenson originally had the idea to put the ellipse in the middle of a too-long filename, rather than at the end, making it way more readable in tiny Macintosh windows.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s so fun to see that code that you had an impact on 40 years ago is still running,\u201d Jenson said. \u201cBut it\u2019s also, I think, a good sign of how subtle a lot of details are for desktop UX.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He also pointed out how, on Macs, the user can bring a file in from a background window to the main window, or even into another application.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOn almost every Linux system, you cannot do this because the window comes forward on mouse-down, not mouse-up,\u201d he explained.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cGood desktop UX enables new ways of moving data and handling things,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>A Call for Innovation<\/p>\n<p>Today\u2019s desktop interface is a copy of a copy of a copy, with the original desktop metaphor <a href=\"https:\/\/thenewstack.io\/dynamicland-rethinks-computer-interfaces\/\" class=\"local-link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">coming from the Xerox Star<\/a> prototype in 1981. Apple\u2019s original Macintosh copied this \u201cwindow\u201d-based interface, with a number of refinements. And thus begat Windows, which begat GNOME and KDE.<\/p>\n<p>This copying of the window-based system makes it easier for both the designer and user. \u201cWhy would you want to reinvent the wheel?\u201d Jenson asked.<\/p>\n<p>But, at the same time, it has left the interface designer bereft of ideas.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cDesigners think statistically and programmers think mathematically.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Taking a jab at Apple\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.apple.com\/newsroom\/2025\/06\/apple-introduces-a-delightful-and-elegant-new-software-design\/\" class=\"ext-link\" rel=\"external  nofollow noopener\" onclick=\"this.target=&#039;_blank&#039;;\" target=\"_blank\">new liquid display<\/a> for the iPhone, Jenson said, \u201cIf your big claim to fame to your operating system is that you\u2019ve got some fancy shiny pixels, you\u2019ve really lost the plot,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/news.microsoft.com\/?utm_content=inline+mention\" class=\"ext-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"external  nofollow noopener\" onclick=\"this.target=&#039;_blank&#039;;\">Microsoft<\/a> Windows has had some serious lapses lately as well, in Jenson\u2019s mind, including \u201cthirsty signups,\u201d and the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techtarget.com\/searchenterpriseai\/feature\/Privacy-and-security-risks-surrounding-Microsoft-Recall\" class=\"ext-link\" rel=\"external  nofollow noopener\" onclick=\"this.target=&#039;_blank&#039;;\" target=\"_blank\">botched rollout<\/a> of the Recall feature, Jenson said.<\/p>\n<p>But the real problem is that there is nothing left to copy.<\/p>\n<p>The Foundations of User Design<\/p>\n<p>Today, too many people think of user design as moving pixels around. Thanks in part to the success of <a href=\"https:\/\/thenewstack.io\/figma-caters-to-developers-with-dev-mode-and-ai-integrations\/\" class=\"local-link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Figma<\/a>, a depressingly large amount of \u201cdesign\u201d work involves icons.<\/p>\n<p>But far from prettifying the surface, user interface design <a href=\"https:\/\/jenson.org\/paradox\/\" class=\"ext-link\" rel=\"external  nofollow noopener\" onclick=\"this.target=&#039;_blank&#039;;\" target=\"_blank\">goes through<\/a> four steps (understanding, bridging, flowing and refining) to bring all involved into a shared perspective of what a thing is and how it works, Jenson explained.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/1c0d71d5-ubuntu-summit-scott_jenson-ux-def.jpg\" alt=\"Slide\" width=\"904\" height=\"498\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\">The four-step process of user interface design. (Scott Jenson)<\/p>\n<p>UX is all about shared perspective.<\/p>\n<p>At Mastodon, Jenson participated in the debate over whether a response to a response post should appear above or below the original post in the user\u2019s feed.<\/p>\n<p>Twitter put the original post underneath, assuming that it would downplay toxic content. And when Mastodon researched this matter, it came to the same conclusion, but for a completely different reason. It found that most original posts were overwhelmingly positive in nature, and users said they preferred the repost-on-top format, as it would amplify the good news in the original post.<\/p>\n<p>From either perspective, Jenson pointed out, the post at the bottom came out on top.<\/p>\n<p>Mobile Consumes, Computers Produce<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat\u2019s a computer?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>When the fresh-faced youth asked that question <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=3S5BLs51yDQ\" class=\"ext-link\" rel=\"external  nofollow noopener\" onclick=\"this.target=&#039;_blank&#039;;\" target=\"_blank\">in the 2017 Apple ad<\/a> for the iPad, a little part of Jenson\u2019s heart crumpled. That was when Apple definitively finally broke off its love affair with the Mac (\u201ccomputer\u201d) in favor of the mobile platform.<\/p>\n<p>Mobile may have since won the market for consumers, but when it comes to productivity, the computer is still king. The iPhone was made for consuming data, not producing it.<\/p>\n<p>Mobile designers equated taps on the phone screen with computer clicks, when in fact the two varied quite a bit in functionality, much to the confusion of early mobile users who tried to type out text as if they were on a computer.<\/p>\n<p>A single tap on a phone\u2019s text editor can lead to four possible actions, leading to myriad befuddled users.<\/p>\n<p>In contrast, the average desktop has a very clear pattern for the click button when it comes to text. First, you may learn to simply click on a word. Then you learn to click and drag for more words. At the final level of understanding, you double-click once on as many words as you want.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s still a need for similar interfaces optimized for producing content, not just consuming it.<\/p>\n<p>Jenson did not offer much in the way of ideas of large-scale revisions, but did offer a way forward.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s all about thinking in loops, he said. A user starts an action, and that action is executed. What series of actions can unlock current pain points?<\/p>\n<p>He offered a demo where a window manager could keep track not only of files, but also manage text clippings and images, all through the same set of keystrokes.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhen you think in loops, you think about the OS in a more nuanced way,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>Enjoy the whole talk here:<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>\t<a class=\"row youtube-subscribe-block\" href=\"https:\/\/youtube.com\/thenewstack?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\"><\/p>\n<p>\n\t\t\t\tYOUTUBE.COM\/THENEWSTACK\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n<p>\n\t\t\t\tTech moves fast, don&#8217;t miss an episode. 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