{"id":585176,"date":"2026-04-06T05:03:18","date_gmt":"2026-04-06T05:03:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/585176\/"},"modified":"2026-04-06T05:03:18","modified_gmt":"2026-04-06T05:03:18","slug":"canucks-coffee-big-data-in-hockey-plus-the-guenther-return","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/585176\/","title":{"rendered":"Canucks Coffee: Big data in hockey, plus the Guenther return"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Breadcrumb Trail Links<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"breadcrumbs__item-link\" data-tb-category-link=\"\" href=\"http:\/\/theprovince.com\/category\/sports\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Sports<\/a><a class=\"breadcrumbs__item-link\" data-tb-category-link=\"\" href=\"http:\/\/theprovince.com\/category\/sports\/hockey\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Hockey<\/a><a class=\"breadcrumbs__item-link\" data-tb-category-link=\"\" href=\"http:\/\/theprovince.com\/category\/sports\/hockey\/nhl\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">NHL<\/a><a class=\"breadcrumbs__item-link\" data-tb-category-link=\"\" href=\"http:\/\/theprovince.com\/category\/sports\/hockey\/nhl\/vancouver-canucks\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Vancouver Canucks<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"article-subtitle\">NHL teams use all kinds of big data in their analysis already; calling everything AI misunderstands what the technology actually is<\/p>\n<p> Get the latest from Patrick Johnston straight to your inbox Sign Up   <\/p>\n<p>Published Apr 05, 2026 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0 4 minute read<\/p>\n<p><a aria-label=\"Join the conversation\" class=\"article-meta-comment-count\" data-story-comment-component=\"\" href=\"#comments-area\">   <\/a><\/p>\n<p>You can save this article by registering for free <a class=\"bookmark-link\" data-evt-skip-click=\"true\" href=\"http:\/\/theprovince.com\/register\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>. 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Photo by Derek Cain \/Getty ImagesArticle content<\/p>\n<p>I chuckled a little when hearing declarations that NHL teams are looking more and more toward AI.<\/p>\n<p>Advertisement 2<\/p>\n<p>This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"The Province\" class=\"market-logo\" height=\"37\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/dcs-static.gprod.postmedia.digital\/20.9.1\/websites\/images\/identity\/logo-identity-vp.svg\" width=\"280\"\/><\/p>\n<p>THIS CONTENT IS RESERVED FOR SUBSCRIBERS ONLY<\/p>\n<p class=\"identity-intro__description\">Subscribe now to read the latest news in your city and across Canada.<\/p>\n<p>Exclusive articles by top sports columnists Patrick Johnston, Ben Kuzma, J.J. Abrams and others. 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Plus, Canucks Report, Sports and Headline News newsletters and events.Unlimited online access to The Province and 15 news sites with one account.The Province ePaper, an electronic replica of the print edition to view on any device, share and comment on.Daily puzzles and comics, including the New York Times Crossword.Support local journalism.<\/p>\n<p>REGISTER \/ SIGN IN TO UNLOCK MORE ARTICLES<\/p>\n<p class=\"identity-intro__description\">Create an account or sign in to continue with your reading experience.<\/p>\n<p>Access articles from across Canada with one account.Share your thoughts and join the conversation in the comments.Enjoy additional articles per month.Get email updates from your favourite authors.<\/p>\n<p>THIS ARTICLE IS FREE TO READ REGISTER TO UNLOCK.<\/p>\n<p class=\"identity-intro__description\">Create an account or sign in to continue with your reading experience.<\/p>\n<p>Access articles from across Canada with one accountShare your thoughts and join the conversation in the commentsEnjoy additional articles per monthGet email updates from your favourite authorsSign In or Create an Account<\/p>\n<p>or<\/p>\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s funny, because NHL teams have been using what we are now calling \u201cAI\u201d for a while now.<\/p>\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<p>For instance, what do you think the computer boys were doing in Florida? They were using a data set comprising all the players who\u2019d played hockey basically ever to find comparables to prospects and then projecting what they might become.<\/p>\n<p>Do not forget what the tech bros are labelling \u201cAI\u201d is not really AI, rather it\u2019s a deployment of large language models and databases to recreate things that already exist.<\/p>\n<p>There are uses of this tech that are clearly practical, but they still require human direction.<\/p>\n<p data-async=\"\">It is what we used to call \u201cbig data\u201d or \u201cmachine learning.\u201d \u201cAI\u201d is just a different label. (Are you thinking about Anthony Bourdain explaining <a data-evt-val=\"{\" control_fields=\"\" link=\"\" in=\"\" the=\"\" big=\"\" short=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=kxN_qPuefrM\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" data-evt=\"click\" data-evt-typ=\"click\" target=\"_blank\">CDOs in The Big Short?<\/a> I am. \u201cIt\u2019s not old fish! It\u2019s a whole new thing!\u201d)<\/p>\n<p>Lots of teams use projection models now that are built using supervised machine learning algorithms. Expected goals models are supervised machine learning algorithms. The contract projection models many teams use now are supervised machine learning algorithms.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Canucks Report Banner\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/dcs-static.gprod.postmedia.digital\/20.9.1\/websites\/images\/newsletters\/icon-vs-canucksReport.svg\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Canucks Report<\/p>\n<p class=\"newsletter-widget__text__new-story-page\">Essential reading for hockey fans who eat, sleep, Canucks, repeat.<\/p>\n<p class=\"newsletter-widget__disclaimer__new-story-page text-size--tiny\">By signing up you consent to receive the above newsletter from Postmedia Network Inc.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for signing up!<\/p>\n<p class=\"newsletter-widget__text__new-story-page\">A welcome email is on its way. If you don&#8217;t see it, please check your junk folder.<\/p>\n<p class=\"newsletter-widget__text__new-story-page newsletter__feedback--last\">The next issue of Canucks Report will soon be in your inbox.<\/p>\n<p class=\"newsletter-widget__text__new-story-page js-submit-error\" hidden=\"\" id=\"submitErrorVanSun_CanucksReport\" style=\"margin-top:8px\">We encountered an issue signing you up. Please try again<\/p>\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<p>Advertisement 3<\/p>\n<p>This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below.<\/p>\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAI\u201d is already here.<\/p>\n<p>The Guenther thing<\/p>\n<p>Dylan Guenther has 38 goals. Canucks fans need no reminding of this, of course.<\/p>\n<p>The real question to ask today is, \u201cWould you trade Dylan Guenther for OEL and Garland?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And the answer is pretty clearly no.<\/p>\n<p>Listen, Conor Garland was a quality Canuck. OEL in his first season was solid, but not spectacular.<\/p>\n<p>Guenther is one of the top snipers in the NHL.<\/p>\n<p>I do think it\u2019s important to remember what the trade was about: Clearing out players who were overpaid and not contributing, while bringing in a defenceman who could play and a winger who could shore up your forward lines.<\/p>\n<p>Jim Benning\u2019s draft-day trade in 2021 accomplished this. But was it worth it?<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s the thing: Being a GM is about a willingness to take swings. It\u2019s what you swing at, and with, that matters. When you are picking in the top 10, as the Canucks were set to do in 2021, you do need to think long and hard about what passing up that opportunity means. In Benning\u2019s judgment, adding a defenceman who could play in the top four and a winger who could play on the second line, while disposing of three players who weren\u2019t going to play a role, was worth it.<\/p>\n<p>Advertisement 4<\/p>\n<p>This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below.<\/p>\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<p>And, on the surface, you can understand the concept.<\/p>\n<p>But the problem was OEL was already 30 when Benning traded for him. He was a still a quality blueliner but was no longer at his peak. And the Canucks already had Quinn Hughes, so how he was going to fit into the lineup was a question. Was he a wise investment? He was being paid like a No. 1 defenceman but wasn\u2019t going to fill such a role.<\/p>\n<p>That was fundamentally the flaw here: Benning chased after the wrong kind of guy. He should have gone after a defenceman who could play on the second pair, not a guy who might be able to play on the first pair. (But how would he, when again, you already had Hughes?)<\/p>\n<p>As a counter example: Nikita Zadorov was flipped for a third-round pick just five days later. Or Ethan Bear; he was traded straight up for Warren Foegele.<\/p>\n<p>Obviously, the result from all this only underscores how big a gamble the trade was: OEL was bought out by the guys who replaced Benning, and Garland was shipped out last month after it became clear the Canucks were in a rebuild, something he hadn\u2019t signed up for.<\/p>\n<p>Advertisement 5<\/p>\n<p>This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below.<\/p>\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<p>You don\u2019t win without taking cuts. It\u2019s just that you need to recognize which swings to take and why you are taking them.<\/p>\n<p>Most GMs miss this. The good ones \u2014 the few good ones, let\u2019s be clear \u2014 recognize how to juice the chance at success with their roster moves.<\/p>\n<p>The culture question<\/p>\n<p>Elliotte Friedman said Friday on Kyper and Bourne in Toronto that from what he could tell, management here felt they\u2019d done a pretty full reset of the culture inside the room, that they\u2019re building who they are almost from scratch.<\/p>\n<p>That tracks with something I wrote about almost a year ago, that management had in the back of their mind they may have to just blow everything up to fix the team\u2019s culture.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, they had this odd dream that somehow they could build something for Hughes, that somehow even though they knew he was going to leave sooner rather than later they could make a team that would do something before he left.<\/p>\n<p>It didn\u2019t work. To me, the lesson is don\u2019t let things linger: Address them immediately and, if you can\u2019t find an internal solution, move quickly and aggressively to change things up.<\/p>\n<p data-async=\"\"><a data-evt-val=\"{\" control_fields=\"\" link=\"\" data-evt=\"click\" data-evt-typ=\"click\" href=\"mailto:pjohnston@postmedia.com\">pjohnston@postmedia.com<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Read More<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/theprovince.com\/sports\/hockey\/nhl\/vancouver-canucks\/canucks-player-grades-rough-defending-in-7-4-loss-to-playoff-bound-utah\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Utah Mammoth's Dylan Guenther scores against Vancouver Canucks goalie Nikita Tolopilo on Saturday, April 4, 2026.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/04\/1775451798_51_cp176094562_302432683.jpg\"  class=\"lazyload\" height=\"96\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"96\"\/> <\/p>\n<p>Canucks player grades: Rough defending in 7-4 loss to playoff-bound Utah<\/p>\n<p> <\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/theprovince.com\/sports\/hockey\/nhl\/vancouver-canucks\/canucks-lessons-from-the-past-and-the-whitecaps-in-how-to-set-a-culture\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Vancouver Whitecaps forward Brian White, top right. The Whitecaps were one of the best in North American soccer not only because of their talent but because of the strength of their unity of purpose.\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/04\/1775451798_189_soc-mls-vancouver-20260320_302187968.jpg\"  class=\"lazyload\" height=\"96\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"96\"\/> <\/p>\n<p>Canucks: Lessons from the past \u2014 and the Whitecaps \u2014 in how to set a culture<\/p>\n<p> <\/a><\/p>\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<p>Share this article in your social network<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Breadcrumb Trail Links SportsHockeyNHLVancouver Canucks NHL teams use all kinds of big data in their analysis already; calling&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":585177,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[194298],"tags":[49,48,55],"class_list":["post-585176","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-vancouver","tag-ca","tag-canada","tag-vancouver"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/585176","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=585176"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/585176\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/585177"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=585176"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=585176"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=585176"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}