By BERNIE BELLAN This is the tenth -and final part of a story about a delusional Winnipegger who believes he is someone of great wealth and has spent the better part of 30 years contacting people all over the world telling them that he wants to invest in their businesses or projects. The first nine parts of this story are all available to read under the FEATURES category on this website.<\/p>\n
Here is the final part of my story:<\/p>\n
On April 9, 2026 I finally had a chance to meet with Fred Devlin again. The day before, I was totally surprised when I saw a message from him saying he wanted to talk to me \u2013 and gave his phone number (which is the same phone number I had for him from years ago).<\/p>\n
I called him \u2013 and he was quite pleasant, although he said he was suffering from pneumonia. After just a couple of minutes, however, he said his wife had just walked in and he couldn\u2019t talk.<\/p>\n
The next day he messaged me and asked whether we could meet. I said \u201cyes\u201d and we agreed to meet at either the Fairmont Hotel or Hy\u2019s. He said he would let me know. It ended up being Hy\u2019s.<\/p>\n
When I walked in Fred was standing beside the bar. He looked remarkably the same from the last time I had seen him, although a little dissheveled. There were no apparent signs of his having had pneumonia.<\/p>\n
He asked the server if we could have a private table somewhere and she told us that we could go upstairs to the dining room, which was empty. We sat down and I placed my iPhone on the table, as did Fred. I told him that I wanted to record our conversation so that everything he might say would be on the record. He agreed and also said he was going to record it himself \u2013 presumably to make sure that I wouldn\u2019t alter anything.<\/p>\n
In every instance where he refers to the name of his company or supposed group of companies, I\u2019ve omitted the actual name \u2013 even though in the rest of my story I refer to his group of companies as the Xanadu group. In a couple of instances he referred to real people during our conversation, but since they are not mentioned anywhere else in this story and play no part in the story I\u2019ve told, I decided to retain their real names.<\/p>\n
I want to explain what follows is not easy reading. Fred Devlin clearly suffers from a psychotic delusion and my intent is not to make light of his illness. There are many people who suffer from various psychoses and many of them are capable of committing great harm to others if their psychoses aren\u2019t treated \u2013 or, even if they are treated, the treatments fail.<\/p>\n
What makes Fred Devlin\u2019s story so unusual, however, is the harm he was able to inflict and is apparently still inflicting on so many others by his believing the story he had somehow developed to explain his life. Even as I was talking to him I could see that his calm, measured tone could seem quite convincing to most people with whom he would connect. I deliberately went after him as hard as I could though, to see whether I could break his composure by asking him questions quickly and not giving him the opportunity to start rambling on about his group of companies, his charitable endeavours and, most important, his vast wealth.<\/p>\n
By the end of our conversation he was shaking and kept saying the was tired. I honestly felt sorry for him, but I wanted to get him on the record contradicting his story fully in so many ways so that no one reading this would doubt for a moment that Fred Devlin is fully psychotic and can be quite dangerous when he tries to envelop trusting individuals in his web of deceit, regardless whether he himself is unaware just how deceitful he really is.<\/p>\n
One more note: As is the case with most conversations, speakers often interrupt one another, thoughts don\u2019t get fully expressed \u2013 and even though the transcription program I used is quite accurate, a lot of what Fred Devlin said was indecipherable. I\u2019ve tried to do justice to what was said, but I\u2019ve left out a lot of the pauses and words that made no sense.<\/p>\n
Here is how the conversation went:<\/p>\n
Devlin: Now do you want me to just talk or you ask questions \u2013 or do you have questions?<\/p>\n
Me: Well, of course I have questions, but if you want to start off by saying something, go right ahead.<\/p>\n
Devlin: It\u2019s gonna take a series of interviews to cover my life, but I\u2019m gonna give you everything. I\u2019m gonna give you evidence. \u2028I will show you that everything I always say is true. I started my life at\u2026 started in Israel when I was 10. My father went to teach at the Weizmann Institute. We went through Europe and then to Israel. We were in Greece on the way to Israel, and there was the (raid on Entebbe). \u2028Okay. We got to Israel, ran into by chance Benjamin Netanyahu, who had lost his brother. And we gave our condolences and that was the first meeting I had with Benjamin Netanyahu. We lived there. I went to school there. I was infatuated with the soldiers and the guns and the bullets and\u2026 a soldier, a friend \u2013 Michael Perl\u2026. \u2028I don\u2019t know if you know Michael Perl \u2013 but his brother gave us all these empty shells. I went to a sporting goods store, bought a gun, a starting pistol. I converted it into a gun and I guarded my campus in Israel, and that was what I was meant to be. So my life is about guarding Israel, the \u2026 Foundation worldwide, which is just a name, it\u2019s actually a numbered company based outta Luxembourg and the \u2026 group of companies Worldwide Holdings \u2028are also a numbered company under \u2026 Investment Corporation, which you can look up at the Manitoba Companies office on Broadway.<\/p>\n
Me: Let, let me stop you there. First of all, I\u2019m not so sure about the whole story about meeting Netanyahu, but regardless, the \u2026 group of companies has no presence on the internet. \u2028I don\u2019t believe there is any such thing as the \u2026.Group of Companies. Do you have any proof that there is something (by that name)?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Of course, I will have lawyers write to you.<\/p>\n
Me: Never mind lawyers. What can you show in terms of documentation?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I can show you the websites. It\u2019s just a name, okay.<\/p>\n
Me: And what are the companies in the \u2026 group of companies? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: There\u2019s 3,360.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. Can you name any of them?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Of course, but I\u2019m not going to name\u2026<\/p>\n
Me: Name one.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I\u2019m not gonna name one. It\u2019s private.<\/p>\n
Me: You\u2019re not gonna name one?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Not today, no.<\/p>\n
Me: Why?<\/p>\n
Devlin: \u2019cause they are secret. They\u2019re secret companies. Okay. I want no one knowing my business. I haven\u2019t been in a publication since May, 1990. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: How many companies now is it (in the group of companies)?<\/p>\n
Devlin: 3,300\u2026 3,306.<\/p>\n
Me: When I spoke to you in 2021, it was 300.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I was being honest. Okay.<\/p>\n
Me: Alright. So, the \u2026 group of companies has 3,300 companies. You won\u2019t name one. You won\u2019t provide any proof that there is (even one company).<\/p>\n
Devlin: I\u2019ll provide you with okay. But not today.<\/p>\n
Me: Alright. And it\u2019s headquartered in Luxembourg, correct?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Okay<\/p>\n
Me: And David Simkin is what?<\/p>\n
Devlin: My CEO.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. Does he exist?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Of course.<\/p>\n
Me: Where does he live?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Luxembourg. Okay. But he traveled.<\/p>\n
Me: No one has ever been able to establish that there is anyone by that name.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Because he\u2019s Mossad.<\/p>\n
Me: Because he\u2019s Mossad?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Correct. And that\u2019s not his real name. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Oh, it\u2019s not his real name. Okay. Alright, let\u2019s go on.<\/p>\n
I am sort of curious to know about your business career. I did read that you were in real estate and then you became the executive director of the Winnipeg Airport \u2026.<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, I first started Winnport. I founded Winnport.<\/p>\n
Me: You founded Winnport?<\/p>\n
Devlin; Yes. Yeah. Here, I\u2019ll show you. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. And what year was that?<\/p>\n
Devlin: About 1992 to 1994.<\/p>\n
Me: And you have some proof for that.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Of course.<\/p>\n
Me: Of course. (According to Wikipedia, Winnport was established in 1998 by Lynn Bishop. Here is what Wikipedia has to say about Winnport: \u201cWinnport Logistics, a Winnipeg-based air cargo consortium, was established in 1998. The company launched Canada\u2019s first scheduled widebody cargo operations during that year, aiming to connect Winnipeg to Asian markets, before eventually ceasing operations in 2002\u201d.)<\/p>\n
Me: And then you became executive director of the Airport Area Business Improvement Zone?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No. Of the Winnipeg Development Corporation biz, not the Winnipeg\u2026. Never with the Airport Area Business Improvement Zone. (I found that answer particularly strange because the 1998 article I referenced earlier specifically stated that Devlin had been the recently appointed executive director of the Airport Area Business Improvement Zone. Why he would he have chosen to talk about Winnport, with which he may have had some involvement, but certainly not in the years he said he was involved, and not the Airport Area Business Improvement Zone \u2013 raises new questions \u2013 both about Devlin\u2019s resum\u00e9 \u2013 and his memory.)\u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yes, I was. And I had it (Winnport) spun off. I\u2019ll tell you the story, but easy for you to look at. (And at that point he pulled out what I immediately recognized as his album of photos that he had first shown me in 2021.)<\/p>\n
Me: Are you gonna show me more pictures?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yep. I\u2019m show you.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. I don\u2019t care. I\u2019ve seen your pictures Fred, and you know what? I don\u2019t care about your pictures.<\/p>\n
Devlin: You know what, then don\u2019t be rude\u2026\u2028<\/p>\n
Me; Alright. When was that? You say that was 1992.<\/p>\n
Devlin: It\u2019s \u201994 or so.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. Alright. Look, I don\u2019t doubt that you had some sort of business career. I wrote that (in my original story that I posted to the internet in February 2026), so the question is: \u2018What happened?\u2019 (At that point a waiter came over with our soups and the conversation paused.)\u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Okay, let\u2019s go on. So how long were you with Winnport then?\u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: About a year, and then that was\u2026there\u2019s a story behind that. There\u2019s a lot more to the story. Alright, so can I tell you the story?<\/p>\n
\u2028Me: The Winnport story? Yeah. Tell me the story.<\/p>\n
Devlin: When I was running my company, \u2026 Investment Corporation, which I founded in 1987 and still operating, which owns all the \u2026 Foundation worldwide. In a \u2026 group of companies. It\u2019s in the Companies office. It\u2019s current and operating. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Go on.<\/p>\n
Devlin: In May of 1990 I was featured in Manitoba Business Magazine.<\/p>\n
Me: Yes, I have that article.<\/p>\n
(At this point the man I\u2019ve been calling Devlin launched into a very descriptive, but often incoherent account of part of his earlier business career. As I\u2019ve noted previously, I have no doubt that Devlin was very bright \u2013 and successful \u2013 until something happened. So, when he weaves names of real people into his stories, there might be more than a semblance of the truth in what he\u2019s saying. The problem is he seems to get key dates wrong \u2013 as when he talks about Winnport \u2013 and when he claims to have been the person to have started that company.<\/p>\n
Still, it\u2019s somewhat sad to think how much potential he had \u2013 as he explains in the following account. If only he had never veered completely off the rails and started insinuating himself into so many people\u2019s lives, causing so mach damage along the way.)<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yeah, (but) you don\u2019t have the full magazine, which has much more information. (It) talks about me becoming an up and coming\u2026 and Izzy Asper saw the article and summoned me\u2026it was a billionaire summoning a millionaire and it was the only time in my life I was intimidated a little bit. We became partners, friends, mentor, and he financed me for the acquisition of land where Centerport is. I still control land at the airport and I started Winnport. I founded it. It was my business plan, my concept, although it was talked about by others. I mapped it out on a plane coming back from Amsterdam, Holland \u2028\u2019cause I mapped out a logistics plan that is now Centerport. So, I was sitting on a Saturday going through the career section at our place on Wellington. I saw a career commercial development officer wanted by the Winnipeg International Airport and Izzy Asper and I had already bought the land, so I figured I\u2019d go as an insider. \u2028I got the job the next day \u2019cause I had a presentation, which included every element of what they were trying to do. I worked technically for someone named Warren Thompson, but I really worked with Lynn Bishop, who was the general manager of the airport and eventually president of the Bombers. I talked to Lynn yesterday, I believe so. I still keep in touch with a great guy. Okay. I realized that I had a conflict of interest owning land and being the insider in the airport. So I realized I had to spin off a company. So we spun off Winnport, which I named. I actually spelled it W-I-N-P-O-R-T. Lynn Bishop on a flight back from, I believe, Chattanooga, Tennessee. No, uh, Huntsville, Alabama, where we were looking at CargoX airplanes from Luxembourg, which I own now in control. Go look it up and you\u2019ll see nothing about me. Every company I own does not come back to me. My business is silent.<\/p>\n
(A few days after meeting Fred Devlin, I did manage to get a hold of Lynn Bishop, who was the original founder of Winnport \u2013 in 1998, when Fred would have been around 32. Lynn told me that Fred Devlin did work for the company for a very brief time, but they had to let him go because his behaviour was so erratic. That jives with my thinking that it was sometime when Fred was in his early thirties that he became quite delusional.)<\/p>\n
Me: Why? Why is that?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Two reasons. I don\u2019t want anyone knowing my business. \u2028If I\u2019m to buy land or buy something, the price goes up if they comes from \u2026. So we use shell companies to buy and make offers with legal. That\u2019s one. The other is reputation. God forbid Air Canada has a crash. And it connects to \u2026, then my reputation is real.<\/p>\n
Me: So Air Canada is one of the companies you own?<\/p>\n
\u2028Devlin: I\u2019m not gonna say.<\/p>\n
Me: you\u2019re not gonna say?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I will tell you next meeting. I will give you a paper with some holdings. I know Michael Rousseau very well, who was vice president of Finance for Air Canada.(He was actually its CEO until recently. when he resigned over his not knowing how to speak French.) I deal with him. He\u2019s been fired. We\u2019re bringing in a new CEO and president. I own part of Boeing, okay. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Let\u2019s move on. What did you do after Winnport?<\/p>\n
Devlin: After I left Winnport, I was not happy. I sold it to Cargojet or behind the scenes, and we have shares in Cargo, which is the largest Canadian cargo companies, so Winnport became very successful domestically. I\u2019m doing the project again to introduce runs by CargoX currently, which will be Winnport again and Cargojet. (As has been noted, Winnport ceased operations after 2002.)\u2028 And I will make Winnport as I expected it to be. Then I left Winnport and I became executive director\u2026(of what, Devlin didn\u2019t say). Didn\u2019t take a salary or I gave my salary to charity to stay involved with the airport area and Winnport.<\/p>\n
Me. And what did you do then?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I did nothing. I was executive director of the Airport Area Business Development Corporation. (The chronology is so confusing. Devlin just claimed he left Winnport and became executive director of the Airport Area Business Development Corporation, but Winnport wasn\u2019t established until 1998 and that 1998 magazine article said Devlin was the recently appointed executive director of the Airport Area Business Development Corporation, which would have preceded his becoming involved with Winnport but, In the final analysis, it doesn\u2019t really matter what the sequence of his various positions he hleld was \u2013 if he, in fact, actually held the positions he said he held. Still, it seems evident that Fred had an upward career trajectory until he developed his psychosis. I haven\u2019t been able to establish what he was doing when he apparently developed that psychosis when he must have been in his thirties.)<\/p>\n
Me: And you didn\u2019t take a salary?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I took a salary, but I gave it to charity.<\/p>\n
Me: Is there a record \u2013 of your having been with Winnport?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I can get that for you.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. So you were already in your thirties by then, I\u2019m guessing?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yeah.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. Alright. I wanna move forward though because as you know, I\u2019ve been writing about you. I wanna talk about your relationship\u2026.<\/p>\n
Devlin: You are slandering me. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: I want to talk about your relationship with Jonathan Soloway.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Alright.<\/p>\n
Me: I have copies of written agreements between you and Jonathan Soloway.<\/p>\n
Devlin: You don\u2019t have everything.<\/p>\n
Me: I have signed agreements between you and Jonathan Soloway.<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, I never signed an agreement with him.<\/p>\n
Me: I have your signature on those documents. \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: Never signed it.<\/p>\n
Me: Are they forged?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Were they forged? I don\u2019t know what Jonathan did with them.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay, so you are saying that those agreements are invalid.<\/p>\n
Devlin: They\u2019re invalid and I can tell you what I offered Jonathan and I helped save his life, and was the only person who reached out to him after I hadn\u2019t talked to him in 45 years. \u2028He flew to Winnipeg to meet with me at 529 (Wellington). I befriended him. I tried my best to help him. He had lost his life savings in a bitcoin scam or some type of scam on the internet. He had nothing. He had no car. He was living at his brother\u2019s place. He lost his marriage. And the custody of his daughter, I believe, and his life was in ruins and I was the only one to step up to offer to help him. \u2028I offered him, I\u2019m setting up a real estate investment trust in the fall with Nikki Bello (who, I was able to learn, is a Winnipeg Chartered Professional Accountant), if she\u2019s interested still. And probably Lauren. (I have no idea who that is and I didn\u2019t ask Devlin who Lauren is.)<\/p>\n
Me: Did you tell him to stop making payments on all his debts?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No.<\/p>\n
Me: You deny that?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, I said to him, \u201cDon\u2019t pay if they\u2019re not gonna come after you.\u201d<\/p>\n
Me: And you didn\u2019t offer him a salary of $250,000 a year?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I, no\u2026. being paid on the first 50. (In talking to Jonathan, he explained that 50 would have meant 50% of the Real Estate Investment Trust he was supposed to be setting up with Devlin.) Would you like to know what it is?<\/p>\n
Me: Sure.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I offered him 49% of the company outta my goodwill of the shares. Jonathan was confused. He thought he was getting a job. I said, \u201cNo, you\u2019re getting a partnership.\u201d <\/p>\n
\u2028Me: So if I were to show you the agreement (promising to pay Jonathan $250,000 a year) with your signature on it, would you say that is a false document?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I\u2019d have to see it.<\/p>\n
Me: Well, I can open it up for you if you want.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Jonathan turned on me because I was in the hospital. I disappeared for five weeks with a brain injury and I couldn\u2019t help him pay off his debt. \u2028I talked to his creditors. I got his debt reduced. I did my very best for Jonathan.<\/p>\n
Me: Alright, so you say that you didn\u2019t offer him a salary of $250,000.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yes, I did.<\/p>\n
Me: You did?<\/p>\n
Devlin: But once we were operational and there was cash flow from the REIT. I wouldn\u2019t take a salary. Nikki wouldn\u2019t take a salary. She took shares and then I promised him a $250,000 salary as long as we had cash flow. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: But these agreements are quite recently signed and don\u2019t say anything about having to wait for a cash flow before he would get paid.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Nothing happened. There was no money there.<\/p>\n
Me: It\u2019s all part of a pattern Fred of you stringing people along with promises of a big payday and then, when they start asking \u201cWhere\u2019s the money?\u201d, you say there is no money there \u2013 right?<\/p>\n
Devlin: That\u2019s your belief. It\u2019s not true.<\/p>\n
Me: Have you ever put up money for a project?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Many times. All the time.<\/p>\n
Me: And can you substantiate that? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yeah. I can show you an airline project where I\u2019m doing in Nigeria.<\/p>\n
Me: Did you not offer Rick financial help with his publication?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Never. No. Okay. I offered him a million dollars potentially to buy him out from 420 magazine and to have him run as CEO or in some position once we started 420 was a deadline (again \u2013 totally incoherent). \u2028I\u2019m still willing to meet my commitments to him, but he slandered me and set up a group of people because he\u2019s mentally ill. Has Asperger\u2019s, I believe, or autism and rage management and A-D-H-D-.I disappeared in the hospital the next day without being able to tell anyone. I was in for five weeks. I couldn\u2019t communicate. \u2028I had blinding brain injury, headaches, and vertigo. Couldn\u2019t use my phone.<\/p>\n
Me: How many times have you been in the hospital\u2026 committed for psychiatric reasons?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Never. Never.<\/p>\n
Me: Did you send a cease and desist letter to a psychiatrist?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No.<\/p>\n
Me: You didn\u2019t\u2019?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Not that I recall.<\/p>\n
\u2028Me: You didn\u2019t have Bob Anderson send a cease and desist letter?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yes, I did.<\/p>\n
Me: To a psychiatrist?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yes, I did. Okay.<\/p>\n
Me; Why was that?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I\u2019m not gonna talk about it right now. Okay. Next time.<\/p>\n
Me: So you were in the hospital for psychiatric visits.<\/p>\n
Devlin: No. Okay.<\/p>\n
Me: Did you meet a fellow named Jack in a psychiatric wing of a hospital? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: I went in to be undercover and I met him and he was my roommate.<\/p>\n
Me: Did you tell him that you owned the hospital?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yes.<\/p>\n
Me: Why?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Because I do.<\/p>\n
Me: That would be the Health Sciences Center?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, the Victoria Hospital.<\/p>\n
Me: You own Victoria Hospital?<\/p>\n
Devlin: . Through Internet means I control the hospital. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. This is all very interesting. You are actually confirming everything that has been told to me. Okay. I wanna talk about Charlie.<\/p>\n
Did you offer to finance a charitable foundation for him in the Democratic Republic of the Congo? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: No.<\/p>\n
Me: You never did?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No.<\/p>\n
Me: Even though he\u2019s got letters, texts, and emails to show that you did.<\/p>\n
Devlin: If he says so I\u2019ve got the texts, I\u2019ll have to read \u2019em.<\/p>\n
Me: Have you been threatening Charlie?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No.<\/p>\n
Me: Have you not been telling him that you\u2019re gonna ruin his life?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Legally? Yes. For slandering me on Facebook, I\u2019m gonna sue him to the grave. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Did you tell him that you would take his farm? (I asked Charlie whether he ever had a farm. He said he didn\u2019t.)<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yeah.<\/p>\n
Me: His pharmacy? (Again, Charlie was bewildered over the suggestion he had either a farm or a pharmacy which, he says, he\u2019s never had. He said he did own a piece of land in his community \u2013 which he sold to finance the charitable foundation Devlin told him his \u2026group of companies would finance.)<\/p>\n
Devlin: I paid for his books, his computers, everything and the value that he has. And I said I would take it all.<\/p>\n
Me: Why?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Because he slandered me on Facebook after I put him through school partially, and I was a mentor to him. I spent hundreds of hours, which are documented. You can see. \u2028I\u2019ll be happy to turn over all my emails and texts to you. Okay. He has not told you the truth.<\/p>\n
Me; Alright, there are a whole slew of other people who I\u2019ve talked to who told me that you would make promises to them. One of them was Dan Winthrop.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I made no promises to Dan. I\u2019m helping with a project with Israeli aircraft. Okay.<\/p>\n
Me: And this has been going on for over 18 years?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Correct.<\/p>\n
Me: And you had a fellow in Las Vegas \u2013 Avi\u2026 I can\u2019t remember his last name \u2013 who was going to facilitate your bringing over jets from Israel and convert them to some sort of use? \u2028Did Avi not try and set up a meeting between you and various officials, including Prime Minister Netanyahu?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Our deal was once I hired him and pay him a million dollars a year. Plus 3.33% of the funds he raises. He\u2019s earning about 120, I believe, as the director of\u2026(Avi actually works in an area that is too sensitive to Israel\u2019s security to reveal.)<\/p>\n
He was not happy. He expressed an interest in working for me, so I did my best to get him a position. I became ill and was unable to fulfill it. But I am planning on fulfilling it.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay, one more story of promises unfulfilled.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Not my fault. I was in the hospital, very ill.<\/p>\n
Me: Alright. I wanna get back to Jonathan Solaway though, because since you deny that you have had any written agreements with him, I wanna show you the written agreements and then have you comment on them. \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: I don\u2019t want to do this. Getting tired. I\u2019m sick. I do next session.<\/p>\n
Me: You\u2019re getting tired now?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yes. Very tired. But I will talk to you next interview about that.<\/p>\n
At that point someone walked by our table and Devlin turned to him, saying: \u201cHi, how are you?\u2026 I\u2019m good. How are you?\u2026 Good\u2026 Oh, you\u2019re the delivery boy today. You do everything. A jack of all trades. \u2028. Things are going well. Yeah. How about you? I haven\u2019t seen you in a while. Been away and it\u2019s been a while\u2026 I\u2019ve been here. You been here? Was able to sneak in. You enjoy it? I am. Yeah. It\u2019s good. Yeah. Good. Brock Wright. Brock Wright. Can you get me his number? \u2019cause we\u2019re fixing the healthcare system.\u201d (From 2000 to 2017, Brock Wright served as Vice President and Chief Medical Officer for what was then the new Winnipeg Regional Health Authority and, for five years during that period, also served as the Chief Operating Officer at Health Sciences Centre.)\u2028 The person Devlin was talking to said : \u201cI will try to, yeah. . Next time I see him, I\u2019ll, I\u2019ll grab it for you.\u201d\u2028 (I chose to include this little snippet to illustrate how good Fred could be at posing as someone important \u2013 and turning on the charm.)<\/p>\n
I resumed my questioning: \u201cOkay. Alright. If you don\u2019t want to see the material that I have\u2026<\/p>\n
Devlin: Not, not this time, I\u2019m too tired to look it up.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. Well let\u2019s go back to asking some some more questions about other people who I\u2019ve spoken to. One of them was a lawyer by the name of Bob Anderson.<\/p>\n
Devlin: He\u2019s not a lawyer. He lost his license for, well he was a lawyer in Virginia. Go look him up on the internet. I hired him after he was slandered and I tried to take down the information on him. \u2028We\u2019ve been friends for 20 years. They came to me and approached me in Bolivia to buy banks and he came to the Forks area hotel. We became best friends and he did free work for me for many years for my foundation. And that\u2019s it.<\/p>\n
Me: How did you get in touch with Rick? Was it through Jack? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: Okay.<\/p>\n
Me: And you met Jack in a psychiatric ward?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I met him in the hospital \u2013 okay.<\/p>\n
Me: Well, he says it was a psychiatric ward.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Whatever he says. I won\u2019t argue.<\/p>\n
Me: So you deny that you were a patient in the psychiatric ward.<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, I was not a patient.<\/p>\n
Me: No, you were checking out the system \u2019cause you were the owner of the hospital. \u2028Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?<\/p>\n
Devlin: You can do what you want with it. I\u2019m telling you.<\/p>\n
Me: You say you own Victoria Hospital?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, through options on the hospital with the Manitoba government.<\/p>\n
Me: Oh really? Okay. You think that if I were to print this conversation now that this is going to make you look somehow as a bonafide, legitimate businessman?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Not the way you are putting it. I\u2019m just going to answer.<\/p>\n
Me: I\u2019m just asking you the questions and you\u2019re giving me the answers\u2026 and I\u2019m doing it on the record.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I\u2019m giving you a courtesy before I sue your ass for a hundred million dollars.<\/p>\n
Me: Is that right? On what grounds?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Defamation. You didn\u2019t approach me to ever get my side of the story. \u2028You went with a group of people \u2013 Rick, who\u2019s a crazy man, and he stirred up all these people, dug up every single person I knew because I was too open with them and slandered me and made up stories and approached you. I don\u2019t know the total chain of events, but I will shortly.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay, but you say that even though there are documents with your signature on them, especially the ones signed between you and and Jonathan Soloway, they\u2019re not legitimate documents. Is that what you\u2019re saying?<\/p>\n
Devlin: They\u2019re not. Jonathan knew very well that he was getting no salary till it was operational.<\/p>\n
Me: Even though your signature\u2019s on your document and promises\u2026<\/p>\n
Devlin: We tried to put together a document. It was null and void. Jonathan knew that \u2013 when was it made null and void immediately, within 10 minutes of it being signed. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Why was that?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Because Jonathan put in fake clauses saying that I owe him $250,000. But the other clause says he\u2019s not gonna get paid till there\u2019s generation of revenue. I have witnesses. Nikki Bello.<\/p>\n
Me: Is that in the document?<\/p>\n
Devlln: I believe so. I\u2019d have to review it if.<\/p>\n
Me: Jonathan is in big (financial) trouble and you deny that you told him to stop making payments on his debt?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I said to him, these were my words: \u2018If they\u2019re not gonna come after you, it\u2019s better to conserve your cash and not pay creditors.\u201d I\u2019ve had much experience with people who have worked for me with creditors.<\/p>\n
Me: Did you not tell him that you were gonna take care of his debts?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I did.<\/p>\n
Me: You did?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yeah.<\/p>\n
Me: Did you?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Not yet. I got ill and I was unable to work, and now I\u2019m happy to take care of his debts, but after he slandered me, I\u2019m no longer willing to do it. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Isn\u2019t that a breach of contract then?<\/p>\n
Devlin: There was no contract. It was friendly. It was a friendly promise to do my best to help him. Okay?<\/p>\n
Me: But when I say there is a contract with your signature on it\u2026<\/p>\n
Devlin: I, I\u2019d have to see it.<\/p>\n
Me; Well, if I showed it to you, is it gonna make any difference? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: Could. It depends on what it says. I have to go through my documents and I\u2019ll tell you next interview. (At that point Devlin said something incomprehensible, but then suggested that Jonathan doesn\u2019t have a case that any lawyer would take on, saying \u201cNo one will take the case.\u201d)<\/p>\n
Me: There was a lawyer who was quite willing to take the case, but the problem is \u2013 you\u2019re penniless \u2013 so there\u2019s no point in suing you.<\/p>\n
Let\u2019s talk about your finances. How much money do you have?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Look, that\u2019s not your business, but I have a lot of money. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Okay, you don\u2019t think there\u2019s a lawyer who\u2019s quite willing to take the case (of a lawsuit against Devlin)?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Go for it.<\/p>\n
Me: But I asked the lawyer: Can Fred\u2019s parents and his wife be included in a lawsuit?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yeah. And what did they say?<\/p>\n
Me: He said, \u201cno,\u201d unless we can prove that somehow they were materially involved in all your affairs. By the way, how do you pay for all these meals at Hy\u2019s and at the Fairmont?<\/p>\n
Devlin: With my Interac card. Why?<\/p>\n
Me: I\u2019m just wondering who is supporting you? Is it your parents?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Nobody supports me. No, no.<\/p>\n
Me: It\u2019s income from where? From the \u2026 group of companies, right?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Correct. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: The \u2026group of companies? And David Simkin is the CEO, right?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Okay. I get my money from him.<\/p>\n
Me: Would I ever be able to talk to David Simkin?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No.<\/p>\n
Me: Because he\u2019s Mossad, correct?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Right. And that\u2019s not his real name. Ari Duran, my chief of Global Intelligence and Security based in Tel Aviv, who\u2019s worked for me for over 20 years \u2013 he\u2019s also Mossad. Everyone who works in my senior executives are Mossad or IDF.<\/p>\n
Me: Are you accompanied by Mossad agents?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Most of the time. I won\u2019t answer that.<\/p>\n
Me: Are you ever accompanied by Mossad agents?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Correct.<\/p>\n
Me: What does that mean?<\/p>\n
Devlin: They guard my family in Winnipeg, in Cleveland \u2013 for 20 years.<\/p>\n
Me: Do you live at \u2026? (At that point I recited the address where Fred and his wife are presumed to live)?<\/p>\n
Devlin: That\u2019s our safe house. We have 1909 Wellington Crescent, and we\u2019re moving to Number One Wellington in September.<\/p>\n
Me: Did you live at 277 Wellington Crescent ever?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yes.<\/p>\n
Me: All right. Who paid for the apartment?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I did.<\/p>\n
Me: You did? You paid how?<\/p>\n
Devlin: My company paid for it.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. To be accurate, your house is owned by someone else entirely, with a mortgage on it, right?<\/p>\n
Devlin: We have the option to buy it. His name is Michael (name omitted). Yeah. And his number is 3 3 3 3 3 3. (Of all the baffling things Devlin said during this conversation, that number was the weirdest. I have no idea what he meant by saying that.)<\/p>\n
Me: We did a search for the title on that house. It\u2019s only valued at $439,000. But you say that\u2019s a safe house? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: Correct.<\/p>\n
Me: So, where is your primary residence?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I won\u2019t answer that \u2013 for security reasons.<\/p>\n
Me: Oh, for security reasons. Do you know how ludicrous this all sounds?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I don\u2019t care. I\u2019m sure it does, but it\u2019s true.<\/p>\n
Me: And do you think that if you sued me for defamation and I were to have this played in court that you wouldn\u2019t be laughed out of court? Fred, are you under psychiatric care right now?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No.<\/p>\n
Me; Have you ever been under psychiatric care?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I was once under psychiatric care, but for a fact that I have a sleep disorder and I couldn\u2019t sleep, and they had to give me medication through psychiatry to make me sleep. I don\u2019t sleep 24 hours a day. I have a rare sleep disorder. \u2028I never sleep and without the aid of medication, so that was the only time.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. So when I approached your mother years ago after I had met you and asked her: \u201cWhat\u2019s the story with \u2026?\u201d And she said, \u201c\u2026 is not well, please go easy on him.,\u201d what do you think she meant, Fred? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: I wasn\u2019t well physically and she wanted you to leave me alone.<\/p>\n
Me: Well, was it because you weren\u2019t well physically or weren\u2019t well psychologically?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, it was physically.<\/p>\n
Me: Have you ever been hospitalized for a psychiatric disorder?<\/p>\n
\u2028Devlin: I\u2019m not gonna answer that. Alright. My health is out of court.<\/p>\n
Me: Well, you just said that you don\u2019t have any psychiatric disorder.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I have letters from the Cleveland Clinic. Each year for my corporation, I have to get a healthcare letter. I have no\u2026 besides pneumonia. Now I\u2019m in perfect physical and mental health. Okay. And I have letters from doctors in Cleveland and in Winnipeg. Okay.<\/p>\n
Me: Who do you have working for you in Winnipeg?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I won\u2019t answer that\u2026many people.<\/p>\n
Me: Is (name omitted) one of the people?<\/p>\n
Devlin: She did some free work for me, but I\u2019m planning on hiring her as CEO of \u2026 Foundation, Winnipeg office. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Did you ever pay her anything?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Not yet.<\/p>\n
Me: Why not?<\/p>\n
Devlin: \u2019cause we had no agreements in place for me to pay her. She was volunteering for the foundation.<\/p>\n
Me: Or is it not the case that you have no money and it\u2019s all a delusion, Fred?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Okay, Bernie, whatever you say, keep up with slander. You know what? This interview is over if you continue this line.<\/p>\n
Me: Well, since you denied that you\u2019ve had any agreement with Jonathan Soloway, that you had any agreement with Rick, that you had a plan to to bring jets from Israel over to Canada to convert them for some sort of\u2026<\/p>\n
\u2028Devlin: We are, uh, proceeding with that project.<\/p>\n
Me: And this project has been ongoing for almost 18 or 20 years?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, no, three years. Just three years with Dan. Three or four years with Dan \u2013 who I offered a company. I offered him, I sent, he went to Israel on his own money. \u2028Yeah. And he didn\u2019t expect anything to be offered. I wasn\u2019t gonna go to Israel because I thought his ideas that he had for 20 years may not be solid. He went on his own way to meet Gli, who\u2019s a tremendous person, director of \u2026 I believe I have her name.<\/p>\n
Me: There\u2019s a whole slew of people you\u2019ve contacted over the years. According to what I was told by (name omitted), you\u2019ve recently contacted the head of the Winnipeg, Airport Authority and the head of Centerport.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Not recently, although I phoned Carly (Edmundson, the President and CEO of CentrePort) yesterday.<\/p>\n
Me: The CEO of CenterPort? Okay, what was the nature of your communication with her and the head of the Winnipeg Airport Authority (Nick Hays)? You have plans, right? \u2028You have projects. What kind of project is it you want to develop?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Next interview. I\u2019ll be happy. Okay.<\/p>\n
Me: They don\u2019t know about your past history. Because when I told Carly in an email that you\u2019re totally delusional, she responded that came as a surprise, but she said all that she did is introduce you to some other people.<\/p>\n
That\u2019s your style, isn\u2019t it Fred? You network with people. You find people, you use them to contact other people.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Correct.<\/p>\n
Me: So, you admit that\u2019s what you do?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Oh, that works. Yes. Yeah.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay, so you network with people and then you find what their particular area of expertise is. You have some background in aviation, so that gives you\u2026<\/p>\n
Devlin: And real estate\u2026 and financial markets.\u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Yeah. Okay. So that gives you the semblance of having some experience.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I have deep experience.<\/p>\n
Me: Then you lull people into thinking that you\u2019re actually credible \u2013 right?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Oh my god, that\u2019s slander.<\/p>\n
Me: But isn\u2019t that how you operate?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, I don\u2019t.<\/p>\n
Me: No? What do you do? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: Not at all.<\/p>\n
Me: What do you do then? How do you network with people?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I try to find people I can help and do Tikkun Olam with, at every level. Tikkun Global. Yeah. And every person I touch, I try to help.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. What charitable foundations have you ever financed?<\/p>\n
Devlin: In Africa, we financed USAID, Save the Children, World Vision\u2026 many.<\/p>\n
\u2028Me: And you have proof for all that? That\u2019s what Charlie told me that you told him when you suckered him into believing you.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I suckered him? Yes. What a joke.<\/p>\n
Me: Do you know the guy is suicidal? Do you know that I sent him money?<\/p>\n
Devlin: How much money did you send him? \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: I sent him 600 Canadian dollars,but he still owes a lot more. (I later sent Charlie another $800. I still keep in regular touch with him. Charlie still finds it difficult to believe that Fred Devlin was a total fraudster.)<\/p>\n
Devlin: Good for you. I paid him more.<\/p>\n
Me: You haven\u2019t paid him a cent.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I put him through school for $650.<\/p>\n
Me: Oh you did, did you?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yes.<\/p>\n
Me: And what kind of school was that?<\/p>\n
Devlin: His certificate\u2019s in business. (After I had this conversation with Fred I contacted Charlie to ask him whether Fred had ever given him money for anything. He sent me a screenshot of a text from Fred that was sent in 2023 in which Fred asks the director of a school Charlie was attending to give him an extension on paying his tuition, saying that he will \u201creceive the necessary funds to pay for his school after I return from Israel on my peace mission in early December. I need to be in Winnipeg to direct these funds to him.\u201d Of course, there never way any payment of any sort, according to Charlie.)<\/p>\n
Me: But you\u2019ve been sending him threatening messages.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Because he threatened me on Facebook. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: What did he say on Facebook?<\/p>\n
Devlin: He started writing all about me and saying I was a liar and I was\u2026 he slandered me. (I\u2019m sure that Devlin was referring to the article I had posted on my website in February which contained that very detailed email outlining the litany of Fred\u2019s broken promises. Somehow he had it confused with Facebook.)<\/p>\n
Me: But that wasn\u2019t Charlie who wrote that email.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Who wrote it?<\/p>\n
Me: You don\u2019t know?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I\u2019ll find out.<\/p>\n
Me: You think Charlie was capable of having written that email? (Charlie\u2019s native tongue is French, and although his English is quite good, it didn\u2019t take me long to realize that he couldn\u2019t have written that January 16 email. I quicky deduced that it was Rick, who is capable of writing very well.)<\/p>\n
Devlin: No. Was it Rick?<\/p>\n
Me: That\u2019s right. So why don\u2019t you sue Rick? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: I am.<\/p>\n
Me: You are? Where?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I have a lawyer in Florida. I have lawyers in Toronto who can operate in Florida.<\/p>\n
(And then I asked him about a lawyer in Winnipeg who\u2019s his cousin \u2013 and is the lawyer who threatened to sue me for defamation. I asked Fred whether that person has ever acted for him? He said he has \u2013 for many of his over 3,300 companies.)\u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Can you name one of those companies?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yes. Worldview Capital.<\/p>\n
Me: Which is what?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Which is what the airport is. Worldview Capital owns the world\u2019s only financial model that works, generates between 250003300000.0% for annum. Yeah. It\u2019s worth $1.15 trillion. I\u2019m going to be making a deal with their candidate. (Again, totally incoherent)<\/p>\n
\u2028Me: And (Fred\u2019s cousin) acted for you in this, correct?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Right.<\/p>\n
Me: So if I ask (cousin\u2019s name \u2013 omitted here) that, do you think he\u2019ll substantiate that?<\/p>\n
Devlin: He\u2019ll tell you what I asked him. He won\u2019t talk to you, he\u2019s not talking to you.<\/p>\n
Me: Oh, is that right?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I\u2019ve done this on my own \u2013 against my lawyer\u2019s advice.<\/p>\n
Me: Does (your cousin) know that you\u2019re here, that you\u2019re meeting with me? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: No.<\/p>\n
Me: What would he say if he knew you were meeting with me?<\/p>\n
Devline: He\u2019d be pissed off.<\/p>\n
Me: Yeah. What about your wife? Does she know? Pissed off, right? She knows that I\u2019ve contacted you though \u2013 right?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yeah.<\/p>\n
Me: Has she taken the phone away from you when various people have called you?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No. No.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. What\u2019s your wife\u2019s role in all this? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: My wife has no role in all this. She facilitates, she works for another company.<\/p>\n
Me: Has she sat in on meetings?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, she did not.<\/p>\n
Me: Well, according to someone who asked me not to name them, she has.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I\u2019d have to look it up.<\/p>\n
Me: Yeah, please do. I\u2019ve spoken to\u2026(and then, Devlin interrupted me.)<\/p>\n
Devlin: I don\u2019t care who you\u2019ve spoken to, you\u2019re not getting good information.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay, do you want the real truth? \u2028I\u2019d love for this to go to court. I\u2019d want it to go to court because maybe that could put a stop to you. That\u2019s why, when people ask me why I got so involved in this story, I say to them it\u2019s because I\u2019m trying to stop you from hurting other people \u2013 because you\u2019ve hurt a lot of people, okay?<\/p>\n
Devlin: If you say so and you\u2019re not aware of what you\u2019re doing\u2026You make an excellent argument based on the fallacy of your assumptions, Bernie.\u2028<\/p>\n
Me: I don\u2019t know where to take this. You\u2019re substantiating everything that\u2019s been told me about you so far.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I need more interviews. I\u2019ll be happy to talk to you about everything but this, this should not go into an article.<\/p>\n
Me: Would you be surprised to know that I\u2019m writing a story about you?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, but we\u2019re gonna co-publish that story with the truth. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Oh, really? Do you think I\u2019m gonna give you final edit on the story?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, I don\u2019t expect it.<\/p>\n
Me: I\u2019m not even gonna let you see it. I\u2019m gonna let the people who are mentioned in it see it before I try to publish it.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Try it and see what happens to you.<\/p>\n
Me: Well, I\u2019ve already got one publisher who\u2019s quite interested.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I\u2019m sure It\u2019s a very interesting story. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: It\u2019s been fascinating trying to flesh it out.<\/p>\n
Devlin: How about if it\u2019s true, Bernie? Did you ever contemplate everything I told you is true? Has that ever gone through your mind? And then think about what you\u2019ve done.<\/p>\n
Me: You mean the story that you\u2019re telling? Is the story true in whole or in part?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, it\u2019s true in whole.<\/p>\n
Me: Every part of the story, every single part? Every part about you owning over 3,300 companies? Are you a trillionaire or a billionaire?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I\u2019m a trillionaire.<\/p>\n
Me: You\u2019re a trillionaire.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Over and over.<\/p>\n
Me: Are you richer than Elon Musk?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Much richer than Elon.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay. Then why do you dress like this?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Like what?<\/p>\n
Me: I mean you\u2019re presentable, but it\u2019s not what I\u2019d expect from a trillionaire.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I care about my parents. I\u2026<\/p>\n
Me: If you\u2019re a trillionaire, where are the bodyguards? I can\u2019t imagine a trillionaire not being surrounded by bodyguards<\/p>\n
Devlin: They\u2019re here. You don\u2019t see them, but they\u2019re here.<\/p>\n
Me: I don\u2019t see them. Are they Mossad?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Yeah, they\u2019re Mossad. We don\u2019t want to have (his wife), for instance worry about bodyguards for my family. So it\u2019s invisible. I don\u2019t even know where they are.<\/p>\n
Me: You don\u2019t even know where they are?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I can find out quickly by just tapping a button on my phone. That\u2019s the truth. Okay. Now if I tell you what I\u2019m worth, would that be helpful?<\/p>\n
Me: Yeah, sure. Go ahead.<\/p>\n
Devlin: $9.33 trillion.<\/p>\n
Me: 9.33 trillion? How do you think that sounds?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Do you think that when I have world\u2026., but I know every up and down in stocks, commodities, currencies, commodities. I just trade. Automatically outta Luxembourg and I trade on my desk in my office and make millions of dollars. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: Fred, how do you think your parents would react if I were to send them a transcript of this conversation?<\/p>\n
Devlin: They\u2019d be very upset.<\/p>\n
Me: Why?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Because they don\u2019t know everything about my business.<\/p>\n
Me: Do they know that you have $9.33 trillion?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No. You know, I\u2019m very wealthy.<\/p>\n
(I then asked Devlin about a cottage that he\u2019s told people he owns, but I don\u2019t want to get too specific about the name of the lake for the same reason I didn\u2019t give Devlin\u2019s actual address. Even though anyone who knows the real person I\u2019ve been calling Fred Devlin in this story would recognize him from everything I\u2019ve written about him, I highly doubt that anyone who doesn\u2019t know his family would know whom I\u2019ve been writing about \u2013 but if I were to reveal his actual address and where the family cottage is, it would be much easier to establish what Devlin\u2019s real name is.)\u2028<\/p>\n
Me: What kind of car do you drive?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I drive a Porsche GT, three BMW convertibles. They\u2019re not in Winnipeg right now because of the potholes. I store them in Florida and Cleveland. I have 17 cars that I collect for investments. \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: I see. And where did you tell me you\u2019re flying to this weekend?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I expected I\u2019m to fly to Toronto to meet with Irvin Shane, one of my lawyers. Then I\u2019m flying to Cleveland to spend about a month with my family going over our legal strategy to undo everybody. And then, we\u2019re suing, unless you convince me that you\u2019re an honest reporter.<\/p>\n
\u2028Me: Oh. Do you think I\u2019m afraid of a threat of a lawsuit from you, Fred? If I were to play this in court\u2026<\/p>\n
Devlin: Um, you know what, Bernie\u2026<\/p>\n
Me: I\u2019m surprised that you haven\u2019t been committed to an institution.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Um, I don\u2019t know. I don\u2019t know exactly the legalities of that anymore. Bernie. Bernie, be careful. Why you, you\u2019re walking on thin ice\u2026slandering me\u2026 try to go after my mental health.<\/p>\n
Me: We\u2019ll see what happens. But you go after Rick\u2019s mental health.<\/p>\n
Devlin: He\u2019s self-admittedly mentally ill.<\/p>\n
Me: No, Rick admits that he\u2019s got some problems.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Mm-hmm. how about anger?<\/p>\n
Me: Yeah, he admits that.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Why didn\u2019t he call me when I was in the hospital to see where I am instead of gathering up all these people against me? \u2028<\/p>\n
Me: What were you doing in the hospital?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I had a concussion from a brain injury.<\/p>\n
Me: And when was this?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Uh, seven weeks ago maybe. Yeah.<\/p>\n
Me: You were just in the hospital? You had a concussion from a brain injury?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Correct. Do you wanna see the picture of my head?<\/p>\n
Me: Where did you fall?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I was in the bathroom. It was dark. We normally have lights that light up. Motion detectors. I lost my orientation. Lost my balance and fell on my head. On the bed board. (But he had just stated that he fell in the bathroom.) Yeah. Cussed myself. Knocked myself out.<\/p>\n
Me: Alright. But even while you were in a hospital \u2013 with a brain injury, you maintained contact with various people, right? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: No. No.<\/p>\n
Me: You didn\u2019t phone people from the hospital?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Not many. My phone was taken away.<\/p>\n
Me: Who took it away?<\/p>\n
Devlin: The doctor.<\/p>\n
Me: Why?<\/p>\n
Devlin: He didn\u2019t want me making calls. He wanted me to rest.<\/p>\n
Me: Which hospital were you in most recently?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Victoria.<\/p>\n
Me: And which ward were you in?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I\u2019m not gonna talk to you about my hospitalization \u2019cause you\u2019re gonna twist it and write he\u2019s got psychiatric problems.<\/p>\n
Me: Isn\u2019t it the case that were in the psychiatric ward of Victoria Hospital recently?<\/p>\n
Devlin: I, I\u2019m not gonna answer that. Do you have evidence that I was?<\/p>\n
Me: I don\u2019t, I\u2019m just asking.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Okay. Do I sound crazy, Bernie?<\/p>\n
Me: Oh, you want me to answer that? Sure. You sound totally crazy, Fred. \u2028 And I feel sorry for you, I feel deeply sorry for you, but what happened is just that you harm so many people.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I never harmed anybody. No.<\/p>\n
Me: What about Charlie?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Never harmed.<\/p>\n
Me: He\u2019s suicidal.<\/p>\n
Devlin: That\u2019s not my fault. No, no, no.<\/p>\n
Me: So you didn\u2019t promise to fund his charitable foundation and he went out and spent money on his own? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: No. Never to start feeding (children). That\u2019s not true.<\/p>\n
Me: Poor African children, based on your promises to him?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, no, no. He asked me if I would send some money. \u2019cause he wants to feed the hungry. He brings porridge to them. Okay. To the hungry people.<\/p>\n
Me: So did you send him money?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No. No. Okay.<\/p>\n
Me: Why not?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Because I wasn\u2019t involved at the time. I was planning on sending money\u2026<\/p>\n
Me: But you funded USAID and\u2026 which other charities? But you couldn\u2019t send him a couple of thousand dollars. Why not?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Was planning on it, but I, I got sick<\/p>\n
Me: Did you ever pay Bob Anderson for any of the work he did?<\/p>\n
Devlin: He never \u2013 I don\u2019t owe him.<\/p>\n
Me: Isn\u2019t it true that either your father or your wife paid him? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: No.<\/p>\n
Me: Or maybe one of your brothers?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No.<\/p>\n
Me: Gave him a thousand dollars. That\u2019s what he says.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Could be.<\/p>\n
Me: Because he said you kept refusing to pay him.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Bullshit. He\u2019s in the deepest of troubles.<\/p>\n
Me: The confidentiality agreement thats you had him prepare, you had loads of people sign confidentiality agreements that Bob Anderson prepared, didn\u2019t you?<\/p>\n
Devlin: He didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n
Me: He prepared almost 15 non-disclosure agreements for people to sign. Why would you have people sign non-disclosure agreements? \u2018<\/p>\n
Devlin: Cause I don\u2019t want to be gossiped about.<\/p>\n
Me: Or is it the case you didn\u2019t want other people to know about what you were doing?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No.<\/p>\n
Me: Because if other people knew about the nonsense you were spouting, absolutely they would\u2019ve cut you off at the knees.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Absolutely not. No. That was not my motive. No.<\/p>\n
Me: So, when you approached Jonathan Soloway because he was an old childhood friend and you told him that you could help him by setting up this real estate investment trust and you sent him contracts, what was your motivation? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: I didn\u2019t send Jonathan contracts. No, I believe he sent them to me. (On that point Devlin was correct. I checked with Jonathan and he did say that he had the contracts prepared and sent to Devlin, adding that Devlin was incapable of producing the type of sophisticated agreements that Jonathan sent to him, but which show Devlin\u2019s signature on them nonetheless.)<\/p>\n
Me: Regardless, you signed the contract, but you say you didn\u2019t sign the contract.<\/p>\n
Devlin: Bernie. I didn\u2019t say I didn\u2019t sign it. I said, Jeff\u2019s agreement that he sent me was bullshit.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay, well, do I sound like I\u2019m cross-examining you \u2013 because that\u2019s what would happen if you went into court, Fred.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I have zero problem. I\u2019ve been in court many times.<\/p>\n
Me: Would you be surprised to hear that different people are trying to initiate a police investigation of you now?<\/p>\n
Devlin: There\u2019s a police investigation of Rick\u2026for threatening our lives, my mother\u2019s and my life.<\/p>\n
Me: Is that right? Where is that police investigation? \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: Rick twisted it to say I threatened him. What a joke.<\/p>\n
Me: Would you be surprised to know that there was a file opened on you by York Regional Police in Ontario and it was sent to Winnipeg ?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No. I don\u2019t care. No.<\/p>\n
Me: Do you care that there might be a police investigation of you?<\/p>\n
Devlin: Doesn\u2019t bother me.<\/p>\n
Me: Doesn\u2019t bother you at at all?<\/p>\n
Devlin: No, I\u2019ll be happy to speak to the police\u2026 and give them evidence.<\/p>\n
Me: I\u2019m not sure where it\u2019s at. I just know that there was a file opened on you.<\/p>\n
Devlin: I\u2019m not going nowhere, but if it does go further, I\u2019ll be happy to talk to the police.<\/p>\n
Me: Okay, I think this is enough, Fred. \u2028<\/p>\n
Devlin: Um, are, are we gonna have another session? If you want,, I\u2019d like the full truth to come out and then you can decide what to publish. I don\u2019t feel you\u2019ve given me justice.<\/p>\n
April 26, 2026 This concludes my writing about Fred Devlin and his delusional cons. I was still receiving phone calls from Fred, however, asking when we could meet again \u2013 until I blocked him. And then I received a phone call from the man I\u2019ve called Jack, who met Fred in the psych ward at Victoria Hospital. He was also totally incoherent, so I\u2019ve blocked him too. I expect though that this story will still be ongoing. The man I\u2019ve called Fred Devlin will likely continue to make contact with many more unsuspecting people and try to persuade them that he has a huge amount of money which he is willing to use to invest in various projects. <\/p>\n
Further, I rather doubt any police force will proceed with an investigation. I\u2019m sure whatever file ended up at Winnipeg Police Service has long been buried. But, since I decided to post these stories to my website \u2013 and I can reopen the story at any time, there may be more chapters to write.<\/p>\n
If you\u2019ve been reading these stories \u2013 either in whole or in part, you might like to know that I will compile them into one large pdf and make it accessible on this website at some point. <\/p>\n
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