{"id":71911,"date":"2025-08-15T15:35:07","date_gmt":"2025-08-15T15:35:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/71911\/"},"modified":"2025-08-15T15:35:07","modified_gmt":"2025-08-15T15:35:07","slug":"trumps-ai-chip-flip-flop-vox","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/71911\/","title":{"rendered":"Trump\u2019s AI chip flip-FLOP | Vox"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">Whatever else can be said about the second Trump administration, it is always teaching me about parts of the Constitution I had forgotten were even in there.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">Case in point: <a href=\"https:\/\/constitution.congress.gov\/browse\/essay\/artI-S9-C5-1\/ALDE_00013596\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Article I, Section 9, Clause 5<\/a> states that \u201cNo Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.\u201d This is known as the export clause, not to be confused with the import-export clause (Article I, Section 10, Clause 2). The Supreme Court has repeatedly held, most recently in 1996\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/supreme.justia.com\/cases\/federal\/us\/517\/843\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">US v. IBM<\/a>, that this clause bans Congress and the states from imposing taxes on goods exported from one state to another or from the US to foreign countries.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1 _1lbxzst7\">Sign up <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vox.com\/pages\/future-perfect-newsletter-signup\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a> to explore the big, complicated problems the world faces and the most efficient ways to solve them. Sent twice a week.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">I found myself reading US v. IBM after <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/technology\/2025\/08\/10\/nvidia-amd-china-chips-deal-trump\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">President Donald Trump announced an innovative new deal<\/a> with chipmakers Nvidia and AMD. They can now export certain previously restricted chips to China but have to pay a 15 percent tax to the federal government on the proceeds. Now, I\u2019m not a lawyer, but several people who are lawyers, like <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/petereharrell\/status\/1954649784993652846\" rel=\"nofollow\">former National Security Council official Peter Harrell<\/a>, immediately interpreted this as a clearly unconstitutional export tax (and as illegal under the <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/petereharrell\/status\/1954894555419205661\" rel=\"nofollow\">2018 Export Control Reform Act<\/a>, to boot).<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">At this point, there\u2019s something kind of sad and impotent about complaining that something Trump is doing is illegal and unconstitutional. It feels like yelling at the refs that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=s4GAj2v4BIE\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the Harlem Globetrotters aren\u2019t playing fair<\/a>; of course they aren\u2019t, no one cares. The refs are unlikely to step in here, either. The parties with the standing to sue and block the export taxes are Nvidia and AMD, and they\u2019ve already agreed to go along with it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">Maybe the best we can do is understand why this happened and what it means for the future of AI.<\/p>\n<p>A brief history of the 2025 chip war<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">While AMD is included in the deal, for all practical purposes, the AI chips in question are being made by Nvidia \u2014 and the main one in question is the H20.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">As I <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vox.com\/future-perfect\/419791\/trump-nvidia-h20-china-ai-chip\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">explained last month<\/a>, the H20 is entirely the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.politico.com\/news\/2025\/08\/11\/trump-defends-deal-to-sell-nvidia-export-control-license-00503778?utm_source=chatgpt.com#:~:text=Nvidia%20developed%20the%20H20%20chip%20to%20sell%20in%20the%20Chinese%20market%20after%20the%20Biden%20administration%20imposed%20export%20controls%20on%20more%20advanced%20chips\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">product of US export controls<\/a> meant to limit export of excessively powerful chips to China. Nvidia took its flagship H100 chip, widely used for AI training, and dialed its processing power (as measured in floating point operations per second) way down, thus satisfying rules restricting advanced chips that the Biden administration put in place and Trump has maintained.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">At the same time, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.chinatalk.media\/p\/emergency-pod-h20-drama\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">it dialed up the memory bandwidth<\/a> (or the rate at which data moves between the chip and system memory) past even H100\u2019s levels. That makes the H20 better than the H100 at answering queries to AI models in action, even if it\u2019s worse at training those models to start with.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">Critics saw this all as an <a href=\"https:\/\/ifp.org\/the-h20-problem\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">attempt to obey the letter of the export controls while violating their spirit<\/a>. It still meant Nvidia was exporting very useful, powerful chips to Chinese AI firms, which could use those to catch up with or leap ahead of US firms \u2014 precisely what the Biden administration was trying to prevent. In April, the Trump administration seemed to agree when it <a href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2025\/04\/15\/nvidia-h20-chip-exports-hit-with-license-requirement-by-us-government\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">sent Nvidia a letter<\/a> informing it that it would not receive export licenses for shipping H20s to China.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">Then, in July, reportedly after both some bargaining with China over <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/articles\/2025-07-15\/nvidia-expects-license-to-sell-h20-ai-chip-to-china-again\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">rare earth metals<\/a> and a <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.nvidia.com\/blog\/nvidia-ceo-promotes-ai-in-dc-and-china\/#:~:text=In%20the%20U.S.%20capital%2C%20Huang%20met%20with%20President%20Trump%20and%20U.S.%20policymakers\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">personal entreaty<\/a> from Nvidia founder and CEO Jensen Huang, Trump <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.nvidia.com\/blog\/nvidia-ceo-promotes-ai-in-dc-and-china\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">flip-flopped<\/a>; the chips could go to China after all. The only thing new this month is that he wants to get a cut of the proceeds.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">That, of course, is an important new element, not least because it seems bad that the president is asserting the power to unilaterally impose new taxes without Congress. (At least with tariffs, Trump has some laws Congress passed he can cite theoretically granting the authority.) But the big question about H20s remains the same: Does this help Chinese companies like DeepSeek catch up with US companies like OpenAI? And how bad is that, if it happens?<\/p>\n<p>Talking through the pros and cons of H20s<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">The concerns here are such that maybe the best way to understand them is to imagine a debate between a pro-export and anti-export advocate. I\u2019m taking some poetic license here, in part because people in the sector are often averse to plainly saying what they mean on the record. But I think it\u2019s a fair reflection of the debate as I\u2019ve heard it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">Anti-Export Guy: Trump says he wants the US to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whitehouse.gov\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Americas-AI-Action-Plan.pdf\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">have \u201cglobal dominance\u201d in AI<\/a>, and here he is, just letting China have very powerful chips. This obviously hurts the US\u2019s edge.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">Pro-Export Guy: Does it? Again, the H20 is powerful, but it\u2019s no H100. In any case, Chinese firms are totally allowed to rent out advanced AI chips in US-based cloud servers. DeepSeek could even <a href=\"https:\/\/learn.microsoft.com\/en-us\/azure\/virtual-machines\/sizes\/gpu-accelerated\/ndh100v5-series\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">rent time on an H100<\/a> that way. So, why are we freaking out about exporting a weaker chip?<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">Anti-Export: You act like the cloud option is a loophole \u2014 it\u2019s a feature! That way, they\u2019re dependent on US servers and companies. If Chinese AI firms ever start making dangerous systems, the US can shut off their access, and they\u2019ll be out of luck.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">Pro-Export: Again, will they be out of luck? There\u2019s a third option after Nvidia exports and US servers. Huawei is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/world\/china\/huawei-shows-off-ai-computing-system-rival-nvidias-top-product-2025-07-26\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">making its own AI-optimized chips<\/a>. Chinese firms don\u2019t want to depend on foreign servers forever, and if we deny them Nvidia chips, they\u2019ll run right over to Huawei chips.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">Anti-Export: Saying you don\u2019t need Nvidia chips when you have Huawei chips is like if you told someone 20 years ago that they don\u2019t need an iPod because <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2006\/11\/09\/technology\/09pogue.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">they have a Zune<\/a>. Yes, Huawei chips exist, but they\u2019re so much worse. They\u2019re <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rand.org\/pubs\/commentary\/2025\/08\/leashing-chinese-ai-needs-smart-chip-controls.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">lower bandwidth than H20s<\/a>, Huawei\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/3dab07d3-3d97-4f3b-941b-cc8a21a901d6\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">software libraries are full of bugs<\/a>, and the chips sometimes <a href=\"https:\/\/semianalysis.com\/2025\/04\/16\/huawei-ai-cloudmatrix-384-chinas-answer-to-nvidia-gb200-nvl72\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">dangerously overheat<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">Pro-Export: You\u2019re exaggerating. By some metrics, Huawei\u2019s latest systems (not just the chips, but the surrounding servers) <a href=\"https:\/\/semianalysis.com\/2025\/04\/16\/huawei-ai-cloudmatrix-384-chinas-answer-to-nvidia-gb200-nvl72\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">outperform Nvidia\u2019s top-end model<\/a> \u2014 even though that model uses B200s that are faster than H100s and lightyears faster than you\u2019d ever be allowed to export to China. Yes, programmers will have to learn Huawei\u2019s libraries, and transitioning from Nvidia\u2019s will take time, but it\u2019s doable. Google, Anthropic, and OpenAI have all <a href=\"https:\/\/www.chinatalk.media\/p\/emergency-pod-h20-drama\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">recently moved away from Nvidia chips<\/a> toward things like Google\u2019s own TPUs or Amazon\u2019s Trainiums. That took effort, but they did it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">Anti-Export: Sure, but those companies still use Nvidia\u2019s too. OpenAI wants <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2025\/07\/31\/openai-backs-ai-data-center-in-norway-with-100000-nvidia-gpus.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">100,000 chips in one Norwegian facility<\/a> alone. And while US companies may be trying out the competition, Chinese companies still <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rand.org\/pubs\/commentary\/2025\/08\/leashing-chinese-ai-needs-smart-chip-controls.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">vastly prefer Nvidia to Huawei<\/a>. DeepSeek reportedly <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/eb984646-6320-4bfe-a78d-a1da2274b092?utm_source=semafor\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">had to delay its latest model<\/a> because it tried to train it on Huawei chips but couldn\u2019t. Even if Huawei chips were popular, Huawei lacks the production capacity to meet demand. It <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/ohlennart\/status\/1955672732068446363\" rel=\"nofollow\">relies on smuggled components<\/a> to make its top-end chips and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/world\/china\/us-says-chinas-huawei-cant-make-more-than-200000-ai-chips-2025-2025-06-12\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">can make at most 200,000<\/a> this year, compared to the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2025\/07\/24\/opinion\/ai-chips-nvidia-china.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">roughly 10 million Nvidia chips<\/a> shipped annually. There\u2019s no substitute for Nvidias.<\/p>\n<p>What we\u2019re fighting for<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">I suppose we\u2019ll see, in the next few months and in the rollout of new chips from competitors like Huawei, who got the better of that argument. China is reportedly <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/articles\/2025-08-12\/china-urges-firms-not-to-use-nvidia-h20-chips-in-new-guidance?taid=689acddfa73ccf000107dbd3&amp;utm_campaign=trueanthem&amp;utm_content=business&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_source=twitter&amp;embedded-checkout=true\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">discouraging firms from using Nvidia chips<\/a> in the wake of the export tax deal, largely to encourage them to use domestic chips like Huawei, though they are clearly not banning the firms from using Nvidias if they prove necessary. It\u2019s also <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/87a339f5-75e5-4003-b709-3d537b420656\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">investigating<\/a> whether the US is including spyware in them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">The bigger question this debate raises for me, and one I certainly can\u2019t answer adequately here, is: To what degree is \u201cbeating China\u201d on AI important for making the future of AI go well?<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">The answer for most US policymakers, and most people I know in the AI safety world, has been \u201cvery.\u201d The Financial Times reports that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/0dbd7fee-66b0-4e08-916f-debfbb580f8c\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">some Trump officials are considering resigning<\/a> in protest over allowing China to get H20s. As Leopold Aschenbrenner, the AI analyst turned <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wsj.com\/finance\/investing\/billions-flow-to-new-hedge-funds-focused-on-ai-related-bets-48d97f41?gaa_at=eafs&amp;gaa_n=ASWzDAjeseIKMXUrDmaKsOqdxfPje1znJnj7N8oXUcx6v8BP51arTzyYn0RNPwL39Lc%3D&amp;gaa_ts=689ceec4&amp;gaa_sig=1bcwqbxCAjPyqOOynYDK7fFmtVNOCzsvt9I9lHBZd7q57dGwNyI0wW_GyK1KGqJC88RxtyO-z0Gyd2LaceoEPw%3D%3D\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">hedge funder<\/a>, put it bluntly in his influential 2024 essay <a href=\"https:\/\/situational-awareness.ai\/the-free-world-must-prevail\/#The_authoritarian_peril\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cSituational Awareness\u201d<\/a>: \u201cSuperintelligence will give those who wield it the power to crush opposition, dissent, and lock in their grand plan for humanity.\u201d If China \u201cwins,\u201d then, the result for humanity is permanent authoritarian repression.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">No doubt, the Beijing regime is brutal, and I have no faith that they will use AI wisely. I\u2019m very confident they\u2019ll wield it to oppress Chinese citizens. But it feels as though \u201cstaying ahead of China\u201d has become the sine qua non of US AI policy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">I worry less that this focus on China is directionally wrong and more that it is exaggerated. The bigger danger is that no one can control these systems, rather than that China can, and that the focus on staying ahead of China will cause the US to speed <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/magazine\/2025\/07\/21\/is-the-us-ready-for-the-next-war\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">deployment of automated weapons systems<\/a> that could prove deeply destabilizing and dangerous.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1agbrixi lg8ac51 lg8ac50 xkp0cg1\">As with most aspects of AI, I feel like there\u2019s a small island of things we\u2019re all sure of and a vast ocean of unknowns. I think offering China H20s probably hurts AI safety a bit. 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