{"id":726543,"date":"2026-06-10T02:44:11","date_gmt":"2026-06-10T02:44:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/726543\/"},"modified":"2026-06-10T02:44:11","modified_gmt":"2026-06-10T02:44:11","slug":"he-was-a-f-ing-editor-jonathan-frakes-brent-spiner-and-ron-perlman-skewer-star-trek-nemesis-director-trekmovie-com","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/726543\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cHe Was A F\u2014ing Editor\u201d: Jonathan Frakes, Brent Spiner And Ron Perlman Skewer \u2018Star Trek: Nemesis\u2019 Director \u2013 TrekMovie.com"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>2003\u2019s Star Trek: Nemesis was the fourth feature film for the Star Trek: The Next Generation crew and their final big screen voyage. Deemed a bomb by Paramount and panned by critics and fans, the movie was the last one in the Trek film franchise until it got rebooted six years later by J.J. Abrams with Chris Pine and crew. There are multiple reasons for the failures of Nemesis, but many involved in the project point to director Stuart Baird as a primary villain. The latest bit of Baird-bashing comes from Jonathan Frakes (who had directed the previous two Star Trek movies) and Brent Spiner on their new podcast Dropping Names\u00a0with special guest (and Nemesis co-star) Ron Perlman.<\/p>\n<p>Baird bash<\/p>\n<p>Brent Spiner and Jonathan Frakes have insisted from the jump that their podcast, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@Dropping-Names\" data-wpel-link=\"external\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"external noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Dropping Names with Brent and Jonny<\/a>, is not a Star Trek podcast \u2014 but it is at least an interesting coincidence that so far, outside of Seth MacFarlane, the guests with Trek ties that they\u2019ve had on all worked on Star Trek: Nemesis. Their first guest was LeVar Burton, Geordi LaForge himself. Then they had <a href=\"https:\/\/trekmovie.com\/2026\/02\/15\/star-trek-nemesis-screenwriter-says-data-actually-didnt-die\/\" data-wpel-link=\"internal\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">John Logan<\/a>, the movie\u2019s screenwriter. Most recently, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vz9Nze07FHs\" data-wpel-link=\"external\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"external noopener noreferrer nofollow\">they caught up with Ron Perlman<\/a>, who played the Reman viceroy in the movie. In their conversation, Perlman joined other members of the cast who say director Stuart Baird, an acclaimed Hollywood editor by that point, was ill-fitted to direct the pivotal and ultimately disappointing final film in the TNG\u00a0saga.<\/p>\n<p>Perlman said the cast observed Baird \u201chad no people skills whatsoever\u201d and believed he was only there because he had saved some major Paramount projects over the years. \u201cHe was not a director, he was a f\u2014ing editor that the studio owed a favor to,\u201d\u00a0Perlman said. \u201cBecause he saved a lot of their turkeys. They would bring him in when they had a turkey, and he would recut it and turn it watchable. So he was a very talented editor,\u00a0but he was not a director\u2026 He\u2019s not a filmmaker. [It\u2019s] that attitude, like, \u2018anybody can do this,\u00a0you know, let\u2019s just give it to that guy.&#8217;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-58660\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-58660\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/psbairdnembts-640x445.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"445\"\/><\/p>\n<p id=\"caption-attachment-58660\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Patrick Stewart with director Stuart Baird behind the scenes of Star Trek: Nemesis<\/p>\n<p>Spiner agreed with Perlman\u2019s assessment of Baird as being \u201cnot a director,\u201d but Brent praised Baird\u2019s \u201cworld class\u201d resume as an editor, which included Superman and Lethal Weapon before\u00a0Nemesis and\u00a0Casino Royale and\u00a0Skyfall (where he reunited with Logan) after it. Frakes said the cast knew they might be in trouble when Baird turned down offers to have conversations with them about their characters and the franchise in general.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPatrick and I all offered to have lunch with him, because we\u2019d done 182 episodes and three movies together. I said, \u2018Is there anything we can do to help you?\u2019 He was not interested in talking to us at all about how we rolled. Talk about a family, because we rolled as a family.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/trekmovie.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/nem-perlman-viceroy.jpg\" data-wpel-link=\"internal\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-132031\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-132031\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/nem-perlman-viceroy-419x640.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"419\" height=\"640\"  \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"caption-attachment-132031\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ron Perlman as the Reman Viceroy in Star Trek: Nemesis.<\/p>\n<p>After leaving Frakes hanging on that offer, Frakes says Baird also left him and Perlman literally hanging for an extended period of time while they were filming the stunt on the catwalk while they discussed a change to the scene. \u201cAnd Ron swings over and he whispers in my ear, \u2018We\u2019re too old to be action heroes,&#8217;\u201d Frakes said. <\/p>\n<p>The group also talked about how Nemesis was the \u201cbreakout\u201d role for a young Tom Hardy (Shinzon), with Perlman saying \u201che was so sweet, and so deferential.\u201d Spiner also noted how Hardy was \u201cnot treated well\u201d by Baird.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Revisiting\u00a0Nemesis<\/p>\n<p>Some have accused the original ten Star Trek movies of having a predictable pattern: The odd-numbered ones are not as strong as the even-numbered ones. Sure, those \u201codd\u201d movies have defenders (\u201cThe Motion Picture is Trek at its most cerebral!\u201d \u201cSearch for Spock\u201d has the fun stealing-the-Enterprise scene!\u201d \u201cWhat if Shatner got to make The Final Frontier he envisioned?\u201d \u201cGenerations unites the two most iconic captains!\u201d \u201cInsurrection\u2026 Okay, you got me\u201d). But if you really want to prove that rule is a myth, you just have to point to the final film. The even-numbered Star Trek: Nemesis, acknowledged in production and marketing as the likely swan song for the\u00a0Next Generation\u00a0cast, nearly plunged the franchise into oblivion.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/stnemeiswedding.jpg\" data-wpel-link=\"internal\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-49868\" class=\"wp-image-49868 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/stnemeiswedding.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"473\" height=\"355\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"caption-attachment-49868\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Publicity photo for Star Trek: Nemesis (2002)<\/p>\n<p>Nemesis had certain things going for it. Seeing the cast again is always great, Riker and Troi got married, the visual effects rebounded from Insurrection, and, well, there\u2019s not much else. The movie puts the stars in action beats that feel a bit awkward for their ages, like Perlman alluded to (and like the original cast in Star Trek V). There\u2019s the questionable-at-best \u201cviolation\u201d that the viceroy does to Troi, which pays off in the counselor being able to guide the Enterprise\u2019s targeting system to find the cloaked ship, a power we\u2019d never seen from Betazoids. The moment was somewhat redeemed in the series finale of Star Trek: Picard, but I digress. The biggest criticism is the central message of the movie was confusing:\u00a0 Why couldn\u2019t Shinzon aspire to be more than he was, exactly? Isn\u2019t he aspiring to be a leader for the Remans? Are we all purely products of our environment with no hope of escaping them or determining our own values?<\/p>\n<p>Data\u2019s death was heroic (if a little sudden), but Logan saying earlier this year that the expectation was that Data would come back (presumably through B-4) had that creative team gotten to do another movie means it might not have amounted to much. The deleted scenes are charming, but they hardly hide a cure. There\u2019s a quick chat with Wesley Crusher, some whimsical moments in the mess hall with B-4, another scene where Picard and Data share a glass of wine, where Worf and Geordi go through Data\u2019s belongings, and a gag intro to Picard\u2019s new first officer. But if you add them all to the movie, it doesn\u2019t change the muddled theme or dial back the action. Perhaps it would have landed like Star Trek V \u2014 for all its warts, at least it had Kirk, Spock and Bones together around the campfire.<\/p>\n<p>Since the train is rolling here, one final point that doesn\u2019t get mentioned much but says something about the movie: There are a number of shots with production errors that can be distracting if you notice them. Since the film was made with real monitors showing the computer images the characters were looking at, there are a few instances where you can see reflected green screen.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/nem-data-panel.jpg\" data-wpel-link=\"internal\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-132033\" class=\"wp-image-132033 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/nem-data-panel.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"274\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"caption-attachment-132033\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">That screen sure is green<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s comforting to know this was not the final time we saw the\u00a0Next Generation cast, but any time this is on, the parts that resonate the most are the classic moments with them: The briefing scenes, Picard and Data (as well as Geordi and Data) talking about life, and the goodbye between Picard and Riker were just right.<\/p>\n<p>What do you think of Nemesis, which will turn 25 next winter?<\/p>\n<p>You can watch the full conversation with Spiner, Frakes, and Perlman, which also touches on how the latter\u2019s new studio will get more movies made, here:<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>Keep up with everything to do with the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/trekmovie.com\/category\/star-trek-universe\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" data-wpel-link=\"internal\" target=\"_blank\">Star Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"2003\u2019s Star Trek: Nemesis was the fourth feature film for the Star Trek: The Next Generation crew and&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":726544,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[49,48,75],"class_list":["post-726543","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-entertainment","tag-ca","tag-canada","tag-entertainment"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/726543","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=726543"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/726543\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/726544"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=726543"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=726543"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=726543"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}