{"id":790974,"date":"2026-07-09T17:21:09","date_gmt":"2026-07-09T17:21:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/790974\/"},"modified":"2026-07-09T17:21:09","modified_gmt":"2026-07-09T17:21:09","slug":"ramones-had-leather-jackets-when-they-got-spat-on-we-didnt-david-byrne-on-touring-with-talking-heads-and-taking-advice-from-lou-reed-david-byrne","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/790974\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018Ramones had leather jackets when they got spat on. We didn\u2019t!\u2019 David Byrne on touring with Talking Heads and taking advice from Lou Reed | David Byrne"},"content":{"rendered":"

In May 1977, Talking Heads<\/a> along with Ramones toured the UK starting at Eric\u2019s Club in Liverpool. Did touring as punk exploded have an impact on you? SpiritofWacker
There was something really great about that tour because other than maybe a few singles the audience had never seen us, so there was a lot of curiosity and openness to us and Ramones, as different as we were. Later on, fans kind of decided they liked this band or didn\u2019t like this band, but everything happened very quickly. I remember we did a show at the Roundhouse [in London] where somebody in the audience was gobbing on the bands and, of course, Ramones really didn\u2019t like this. Understandably enough, they didn\u2019t see it as a sign of \u2013 ha! \u2013 respect: \u201cWe\u2019re with you so we\u2019re gonna spit on you.\u201d Ramones got more of that than we did, but at least they had leather jackets. We didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Ever since the Stop Making Sense tour, it seems to me that your live shows have been a quest to unchain the band from the physical restrictions of the typical rock concert. If that is so, where do you go from here? Lucifer_Sam
From various tours I\u2019d realised that my guitar could be wireless. Then I did a tour with St Vincent where the brass players had started in marching bands, so were used to being mobile. I thought: \u201cOK, what about drums?\u201d I looked at drumline in American football and samba schools in Rio. I asked my longtime percussionist Mauro [Refosco] how many players we\u2019d need to break down the drum kit into components and he said six. I took a big gulp and said: \u201cI think we can afford it.\u201d Then I discovered a Hungarian company which had invented a Midi keyboard on a self-powered rack. Suddenly, the whole band were liberated to move about, which democratised the concert experience for the musicians and the audience, who get to understand what each one does.<\/p>\n

Byrne performing during this year\u2019s Coachella. Photograph: Frazer Harrison\/Getty Images for Coachella<\/p>\n

Although the sound of six players constituting a drum kit is identical to one playing it, the effect of six people working in perfect sync is heartening: humans are not as dysfunctional as we think, we can work together to produce something joyful. On my current tour we have four drummers but more dancers, who play instruments such as clarinets. I put in a curved video screen that can put us in different places, like the moon, a forest, a New York street \u2026 Each song has a different location. I don\u2019t know where we go next, but I couldn\u2019t go back to having everything on wires.<\/p>\n

In your fabulous show you tell the audience that, \u201cHappiness and hope are a form of resistance.\u201d Sorry if I misquote. What makes you happy? PortsyP
The quote is almost right. I read a quote from the actor and director John Cameron Mitchell. He said: \u201cLove and kindness are the most punk things you can do right now.\u201d It\u2019s the reverse of punk being associated with angry guitars and shouting vocals. The thing that you think might be the least punk of all is where we\u2019re at now: things that might have seemed too sentimental constitute a kind of resistance.<\/p>\n

True Stories is a wonderful film \u2013 why haven\u2019t you directed a feature since? Was it not artistically satisfying? OttoMaddox
It was very artistically satisfying and I had a great time doing it. Part of the problem is of my own making. I\u2019d paid for the script-writing, the research, looking at locations and all that stuff but after that people in LA said: \u201cNow you\u2019ve done a film you can get somebody else to pay for that.\u201d Which I did, more than once, but if somebody\u2019s putting up some money, they want a say in what you do. Sometimes, they can be helpful. Other times, you get waylaid. I ended up thinking: \u201cDamn, I could be writing a record and doing a show at this point.\u201d So I went back to that. I would love to do a film with digital cameras, editing on a computer. You don\u2019t need big editing machines now. You still need actors, locations, the writing, sets and everything else, but you have more control over it than you used to. So, yes, I hope to eventually make another film.<\/p>\n

Talking Heads in the early 1980s. Left to right: Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Chris Frantz and David Byrne. Photograph: Lynn Goldsmith\/Corbis\/VCG\/Getty Images<\/p>\n

Do you think that being born in Scotland [and to Scottish parents] maybe made you an outsider looking in at American culture? AD2023
When I was very young we moved first to Canada and then eventually to the US. It didn\u2019t make me completely alienated, but I felt like Americans didn\u2019t know that other people do things a little bit differently. They didn\u2019t know that there are different kind kinds of humour and so on. I mean, Scottish humour is very specific. I find it very funny and it can be very dark. Every country lives in its own bubble to some extent, but if you\u2019re a little bit outside that you have a different perspective. I\u2019m not saying it makes you smarter, you just look at things differently.<\/p>\n

Have you ever found yourself living in a shotgun shack? PeteTheBeat
I probably heard that phrase [used in Once in a Lifetime] from a radio preacher or something, but a shotgun shack is generally in the American south. They\u2019re designed to fit into a narrow piece of land, and are called a shotgun shack because if you shoot a shotgun through the front door, it goes through every room. I did find myself staying in one once, with my daughter, at an Airbnb in New Orleans.<\/p>\n

David Byrne working with Brian Eno in a recording studio in Mexico, circa 1980. Photograph: Lynn Goldsmith\/Corbis\/VCG\/Getty Images<\/p>\n

What was working with Brian Eno<\/a> like? Did you use his oblique strategy cards in any decisions about the music? eternalsceptic
It changed over the years. I felt he was somebody who had a feeling and an understanding for what we were trying to do. At first, his goal was to capture what the band was doing. Once that was achieved, he brought ideas such as adding funny sounds, not having the songs all written \u2013 so we could improvise \u2013 and as he calls it, \u201cusing the studio as an instrument\u201d. It was fun and we got to things that we\u2019d never have got to if we\u2019d stuck to one way of working. As a producer, he\u2019s very much a cheerleader. Rather than scratching his chin and saying, \u201cI don\u2019t know if this works yet\u201d, he\u2019ll go: \u201cThis could be the beginning of something incredible, let\u2019s keep pushing in that direction.\u201d The box of cards were present. I don\u2019t know if they were ever really used, but they contain clever ideas, to help you break out of any ruts or ingrained thinking.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Our Lips Are Sealed by Fun Boy Three is a thing of beauty and a joy. How did you end up producing it and the parent album, Waiting, and what was it like working with those boys and girls? EddieChorepost
I suspect that Terry Hall must have liked what we were doing and thought I might understand his kind of songwriting. I did love his songwriting, but they were all really creative. Like Brian, my role was to be a cheerleader but when I didn\u2019t have something constructive to do, I needed to step back and let their ideas come to the fore. Terry had written Our Lips Are Sealed with Jane Wiedlin for the Go-Go\u2019s but wanted to do his own version. I started meddling with loops, repeats, different sounds and so on, saying: \u201cWe gotta come up with something that doesn\u2019t sound like their version, but it\u2019s still the same song.\u201d<\/p>\n

It strikes me that Life During Wartime could translate to being on tour in a band \u2013 \u201cA van that\u2019s loaded with weapons, sleep in the daytime, work in the night-time\u201d, etc. Am I on the right track? jimd
A young band just starting off on tour where the guitars are their weapons? I can\u2019t say you\u2019re wrong, but it hadn\u2019t occurred to me. I do think the song as a whole seems in a way more relevant than ever, especially in the US, with the ICE raids and all that.<\/p>\n

I love the story of Lou Reed interviewing Talking Heads while eating ice-cream with a dubiously dirty [heroin] spoon. timwthornton
Lou had seen us in [New York City music club] CBGB a couple of times and said: \u201cCome back to mine afterwards and we\u2019ll talk about your songs.\u201d We were really excited but nervous and in awe because we were big fans of his solo stuff and the Velvet Underground. He proceeded to eat two quarts of the ice-cream he had in his fridge, but was creative as well. He started playing our song Tentative Decisions on guitar and suggested it could be slowed down, and slowed down to the speed of a Velvet Underground song. Which was pretty cool, but we didn\u2019t slow it down as far as he suggested. At the time, my arms were covered in dark hair. Kind of ape-like. He said: \u201cYou should never wear a short-sleeved shirt on stage.\u201d<\/p>\n

The 4K release of David Byrne\u2019s Spike Lee-directed concert film American Utopia<\/a> is in cinemas on 5 August<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"In May 1977, Talking Heads along with Ramones toured the UK starting at Eric\u2019s Club in Liverpool. Did…\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":790975,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[32],"tags":[49,48,361,75],"class_list":["post-790974","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-celebrities","tag-ca","tag-canada","tag-celebrities","tag-entertainment"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/790974","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=790974"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/790974\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/790975"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=790974"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=790974"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=790974"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}