{"id":121541,"date":"2025-11-04T16:20:08","date_gmt":"2025-11-04T16:20:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/121541\/"},"modified":"2025-11-04T16:20:08","modified_gmt":"2025-11-04T16:20:08","slug":"simon-harris-claims-opponents-trying-to-shut-down-debate-on-immigration-the-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/121541\/","title":{"rendered":"Simon Harris claims opponents trying to \u2018shut down\u2019 debate on immigration \u2013 The Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Left-wing Opposition politicians have made fresh criticisms of T\u00e1naiste Simon Harris, claiming remarks he made about migration numbers in Ireland being too high were \u201cirresponsible\u201d and \u201cdivisive\u201d. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">On Tuesday Mr Harris said he \u201cabsolutely\u201d stood over his comments which have drawn criticism over the last week adding: \u201cI think it\u2019s quite extraordinary how many people want to shut down debate.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Speaking to reporters in advance of a Cabinet meeting Mr Harris said: \u201cThe Irish people want to know that their Government is putting in place a system [for immigration] that is fair and firm. Let me be really clear: Migration is a good thing. I said that last week when I made the comments.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cThere are parts of our public services that would fall over were it not for people coming to our country and contributing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">But he added: \u201cYou know what is also a good thing?&#8230; having a system that has rules that are applied, making sure that there\u2019s a common sense and a social cohesion element to all of that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/politics\/2025\/11\/04\/forty-five-adults-and-seven-children-deported-from-ireland-to-georgia\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Forty-five adults and seven children deported from Ireland to GeorgiaOpens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The Fine Gael leader said there was \u201ca limit\u201d to what Ireland could do for immigrants.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/simon-harris\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/simon-harris\">Simon Harris<\/a> said that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/ireland\/social-affairs\/2025\/07\/22\/people-in-disadvantaged-communities-have-more-negative-attitude-towards-immigration-esri-report-finds\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/ireland\/social-affairs\/2025\/07\/22\/people-in-disadvantaged-communities-have-more-negative-attitude-towards-immigration-esri-report-finds\/\">recent data from the Economic and Social Research Institute<\/a> shows that the population was growing \u201cway faster than baseline projections\u201d and he said this has an impact on public services and housing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cThe conversation about migration isn\u2019t just about international protection, it\u2019s about our population growth in general,\u201d he said. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cRoughly speaking, for every 10,000 [who] people come into our country, around 3,000 more homes are needed.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cSo let\u2019s actually have a rational, calm informed debate that doesn\u2019t seek to label people, shout them down, box them into certain positions.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">On Tuesday Labour TD Ged Nash accused Mr Harris of \u201cirresponsible comments\u201d last week and claimed they were \u201cclearly a response to the disappointing, as he would see, performance of Fine Gael in the [presidential] election\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Social Democrats TD Gary Gannon referred to Mr Harris\u2019s comments last week and said: \u201cWhen I challenged him on that&#8230; he said that we\u2019re trying to shut down debate. We\u2019re absolutely not trying to shut down debate.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">He argued that Fine Gael and Fianna F\u00e1il have failed in relation to Ireland\u2019s migration systems and claimed that rather than acknowledging that, they were \u201cgoing into a playbook\u201d that has been used by [UK Reform party leader] Nigel Farage and Donald Trump. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">People Before Profit-Solidarity TD Paul Murphy accused Mr Harris and others in Government of the \u201cscapegoating\u201d of asylum seekers while Solidarity TD Ruth Coppinger accused the T\u00e1naiste of \u201cbeing divisive\u201d. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">In his remarks last week Mr Harris said: \u201cOur migration numbers are too high\u201d and \u201cone of the reasons I think they are so high is that there are too many people who come to this country and are told they do not have a right to be here, and it is taking too long for them to leave the country.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/opinion\/2025\/11\/04\/fintan-otoole-simon-harris-is-deliberately-spreading-disinformation-on-immigration\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Fintan O&#8217;Toole: Simon Harris is deliberately spreading disinformation on immigrationOpens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Former minister for integration, Green Party leader Roderic O\u2019Gorman, stopped short of agreeing that Mr Harris\u2019s remarks were disinformation but said: \u201cThe characterisation that the T\u00e1naiste used last week was deeply unhelpful.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cMixing in migration, immigration, international protection \u2013 kind of lumping it all into one category doesn\u2019t allow us to kind of analyse this issue in any real depth.\u201d \u2013 Additional reporting \u2013 PA<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Left-wing Opposition politicians have made fresh criticisms of T\u00e1naiste Simon Harris, claiming remarks he made about migration numbers&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":121542,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[895,3775,42,1629,1843,43,70,40,38,41,39,9688],"class_list":{"0":"post-121541","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-headlines","8":"tag-fianna-fail","9":"tag-fine-gael","10":"tag-headlines","11":"tag-immigration","12":"tag-micheal-martin","13":"tag-news","14":"tag-simon-harris","15":"tag-top-news","16":"tag-top-stories","17":"tag-topnews","18":"tag-topstories","19":"tag-ukraine-crisis"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/121541","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=121541"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/121541\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/121542"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=121541"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=121541"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=121541"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}