{"id":180313,"date":"2025-12-08T02:35:06","date_gmt":"2025-12-08T02:35:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/180313\/"},"modified":"2025-12-08T02:35:06","modified_gmt":"2025-12-08T02:35:06","slug":"demis-hassabis-says-ai-scaling-must-be-pushed-to-the-maximum","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/180313\/","title":{"rendered":"Demis Hassabis Says AI Scaling &#8216;Must Be Pushed to the Maximum&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There&#8217;s a debate rippling through Silicon Valley: How far can <a target=\"_self\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/limits-large-language-models-chatgpt-agi-artificial-general-intelligence-openai-2025-8\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">scaling laws<\/a> take the technology?<\/p>\n<p>Google DeepMind CEO <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/who-is-demis-hassabis-deepmind-founder-ai-google-nobel-prize-2024-10\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Demis Hassabis<\/a>, whose company just released Gemini 3 to widespread acclaim, has made it clear where he stands on the issue.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The scaling of the current systems, we must push that to the maximum, because at the minimum, it will be a key component of the final AGI system,&#8221; he said at the Axios&#8217; AI+ Summit in San Francisco last week. &#8220;It could be the entirety of the AGI system.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>AGI, or <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/agi-predictions-sam-altman-dario-amodei-geoffrey-hinton-demis-hassabis-2024-11\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">artificial general intelligence<\/a>, is a still theoretical version of AI that reasons as well as humans. It&#8217;s the goal all the leading AI companies are competing to reach, fueling <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/ai-talent-wars-recruiting-hiring-white-hot-2025-6\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">huge amounts of spending<\/a> on infrastructure and talent.<\/p>\n<p>AI scaling laws suggest that the more data and compute an AI model is given, the smarter it will get.<\/p>\n<p>Hassabis said that scaling alone will likely get the industry to AGI, but that he suspects there will need to be&#8221;one or two&#8221; other breakthroughs as well.<\/p>\n<p>The problem with scaling alone is that there is a limit to publicly available data, and adding compute means <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/ai-boom-bubble-power-utilities-forecasting-demand-2025-11\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">building data centers<\/a>, which is expensive and taxing on the environment.<\/p>\n<p>Some AI watchers are also concerned that the AI companies behind the leading large-language models are beginning to <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/generative-ai-wall-scaling-laws-training-data-chatgpt-gemini-claude-2024-11\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">show diminishing returns<\/a> on their massive investments in scaling.<\/p>\n<p>Researchers like <a target=\"_self\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/meta-yann-lecun-scaling-ai-wont-make-it-smarter-2025-4\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Yann LeCun<\/a>, the chief AI scientist at Meta who recently announced he was leaving to run his own startup, believe the industry needs to consider another way.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Most interesting problems scale extremely badly,&#8221; he said at the National University of Singapore in April. &#8220;You cannot just assume that more data and more compute means smarter AI.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>LeCun is leaving Meta to work on building world models, an alternative to large-language models that rely on collecting spatial data rather than language-based data.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The goal of the startup is to bring about the next big revolution in AI: systems that understand the physical world, have persistent memory, can reason, and can plan complex action sequences,&#8221; he wrote on LinkedIn in November.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"There&#8217;s a debate rippling through Silicon Valley: How far can scaling laws take the technology? 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