{"id":23392,"date":"2025-09-15T19:20:07","date_gmt":"2025-09-15T19:20:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/23392\/"},"modified":"2025-09-15T19:20:07","modified_gmt":"2025-09-15T19:20:07","slug":"worker-loses-wrc-challenge-after-locked-horns","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/23392\/","title":{"rendered":"Worker loses WRC challenge after &#8216;locked horns&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A worker who said he only &#8220;locked horns&#8221; with a colleague because he was provoked by rebel music and being called a &#8220;English b*****d&#8221; has lost a challenge over his sacking.<\/p>\n<p>Management at Breffni Air Ireland Unlimited told the Workplace Relations Commission (WRC) that it decided to dismiss worker Timothy Seaton after they said he &#8220;head-butted&#8221; another worker on 7 March, 2022.<\/p>\n<p>Mr Seaton did not dispute initiating the assault, but denied the headbutt, and said he only gave his colleague &#8220;a nudge&#8221;. He pleaded to be let keep his \u20ac585-a-week job in the aftermath of the incident, which saw both workers sacked, the WRC heard.<\/p>\n<p>His complaint under the Unfair Dismissals Act 1977 was not upheld in a decision published today, following a series of hearings between November 2022 and January 2024.<\/p>\n<p>The company&#8217;s production manager Gary Johnston said he had noticed Mr Seaton was &#8220;agitated&#8221; on the day of the incident and was &#8220;provoked&#8221; by the other worker moving into his work area and &#8220;plunging his hammer into his work bench&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Mr Johnston told the tribunal he interviewed both workers for a company investigation. He said the other worker denied using the expression &#8220;English b*****d&#8221; but accepted that he &#8220;did play rebel music&#8221; in another part of the workshop.<\/p>\n<p>The witness said he &#8220;hadn\u2019t heard the rebel music being played&#8221;, though he said there had been an investigation carried out when it was put to him it was mentioned in a witness statement.<\/p>\n<p>Mr Seaton walked into the other worker\u2019s area and they &#8220;both started fighting&#8221;, Mr Johnston said. His evidence was that Mr Seaton &#8220;headbutted&#8221; the other worker and followed that with a slap to the head before he was able to separate them.<\/p>\n<p>Mr Seaton was immediately suspended and both workers were sacked on foot of separate investigations, it was submitted on behalf of the business.<\/p>\n<p>The company\u2019s operations director David O\u2019Doherty said he decided to dismiss Mr Seaton after he &#8220;admitted to assault&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>The witness said he had to take the environment at the ventilation company\u2019s workshop into account, particularly &#8220;the risk of a future assault&#8221;. He said it was a &#8220;high-risk&#8221; environment where 30-40 men were at work with power tools, hammers and Stanley knives on hand.<\/p>\n<p>Mr Seaton said in his evidence to the WRC that the other worker was &#8220;mouthing&#8221; at him and told him &#8220;You f**king English b*****d you are in my space now&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>He said he felt &#8220;totally threatened&#8221; and &#8220;provoked&#8221;, adding that the other worker &#8220;had a hammer in his hand and was playing rebel music in the background when he approached&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Adjudicator Moya de Paor noted that Mr Seaton &#8220;denied that he headbutted&#8221; the other worker but &#8220;just approached him quite closely and raised his arm to him&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Asked why he did not report the man to his line manager, Mr Seaton said he was not thinking clearly at the time.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;If I could turn the clock back, I would never have put myself in that situation,&#8221; he said. He added that the other worker could have &#8220;smashed [my] head in&#8221; with the hammer.<\/p>\n<p>Mr Seaton stated in his complaint form: &#8220;I did reach and nudged him, as identified in CCTV. We both locked horns, as I would describe and then one of my colleagues and line manager separated us.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;[I] was so upset that I allowed myself to be drawn into such behaviour, however it was, and still is, the only time I had encountered this bigotry,&#8221; he added.<\/p>\n<p>He confirmed signing the investigation meeting minutes but stated that they did not &#8220;always reflect the reality of the meeting&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>His representative argued before the WRC that the company\u2019s investigation and disciplinary process was &#8220;compromised&#8221; by the fact Mr O\u2019Doherty was at both the investigation and disciplinary meetings, calling his ability to be impartial in the process into question.<\/p>\n<p>It was further submitted on behalf of Mr Seaton that the HR officer who conducted the appeal was &#8220;more junior than Mr O\u2019Doherty&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Ms de Paor wrote in her decision that she could see Mr Seaton\u2019s difficulty with &#8220;the playing of Irish rebel music&#8221; that he thought was &#8220;aimed at him&#8221;, along with the alleged discriminatory remarks about his nationality.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I can understand that the complainant felt threatened by the named employee on the day of the incident given his aggressive demeanour,&#8221; she wrote.<\/p>\n<p>However, she wrote that as Mr Seaton had his line manager &#8220;beside him&#8221; at the time, he could have gone to him instead of choosing to &#8220;resolve the matter by way of physical violence&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>She noted that in his evidence, the complainant did not dispute that he initiated a serious physical assault.<\/p>\n<p>She wrote that Mr O\u2019Doherty should have had no role in the investigation process, and that someone more senior ought to have heard Mr Seaton\u2019s appeal.<\/p>\n<p>However, she wrote that she was required to weigh up &#8220;all the circumstances&#8221; and concluded that the Mr Seaton\u2019s conduct in carrying out &#8220;a serious physical assault which amounted to gross misconduct was the main and only reason for his dismissal&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>She ruled that his sacking was within the &#8220;band of reasonable responses&#8221; open to an employer in the circumstances and dismissed his claim.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"A worker who said he only &#8220;locked horns&#8221; with a colleague because he was provoked by rebel music&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":23393,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[42,43,40,38,41,39],"class_list":["post-23392","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-headlines","tag-headlines","tag-news","tag-top-news","tag-top-stories","tag-topnews","tag-topstories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23392","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=23392"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23392\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/23393"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=23392"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=23392"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=23392"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}