{"id":302915,"date":"2026-02-17T18:20:13","date_gmt":"2026-02-17T18:20:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/302915\/"},"modified":"2026-02-17T18:20:13","modified_gmt":"2026-02-17T18:20:13","slug":"how-much-of-the-money-you-invest-actually-goes-into-your-fund-the-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/302915\/","title":{"rendered":"How much of the money you invest actually goes into your fund? \u2013 The Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">A peculiarity of the Irish market, allocation rates confuse at best; at worst they can severely hurt savers and investors. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">While there was discussion to ban allocation rates \u2013 a structure that facilitates the payment of commission \u2013 almost 10 years ago, it appears that the issue is off the agenda for now in Ireland. In the UK, allocation rates were banned alongside other forms of commission in 2012 as part of a retail distribution review.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cWherever you\u2019ve seen a commission ban, this is what they\u2019ve banned,\u201d says David Quinn, managing director of fee-based advisers Investwise Financial Planning, on the subject of allocation rates. \u201cIt\u2019s by far and away the most common charging structure and remuneration method,\u201d he says, adding that the \u201cvast majority\u201d of advisers avail of it to get paid.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">But how exactly do allocation rates work? What does an allocation rate of 105 per cent really mean? And what are the questions you need to ask to make sure you\u2019re getting the best possible outcome?<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">In short, an allocation rate means the percentage of your contribution to a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/pensions\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/pensions\/\">pension<\/a> fund or an investment or savings product that actually goes into the fund each month.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">So if the rate is 100 per cent, and you contribute \u20ac100 a month, then all of that \u20ac100 should go into the fund. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/competition-and-consumer-protection-commission\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/competition-and-consumer-protection-commission\/\">Competition and Consumer Protection Commission<\/a> (CCPC) gives the example of an allocation rate of 97 per cent, which \u201cmeans that for every \u20ac100 you invest, \u20ac97 is actually used to buy units. So, in effect you pay \u20ac3 (or 3 per cent) as a charge to the firm you invest with on every \u20ac100 you invest\u201d. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">For a \u20ac1,000 investment, that would mean a charge of \u20ac30.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">However, while this example is easily understandable, allocation rates are often used in different ways. Rachel McGovern, deputy chief executive of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/brokers-ireland\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/brokers-ireland\/\">Brokers Ireland<\/a>, says allocation rates need to be \u201cclearly explained to clients\u201d. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cOnce the consumer understands them, that is what is important. They can then make an informed decision on their preferred method of payment, be that an upfront fee or otherwise,\u201d she says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">But do investors and retirement savers always fully understand them?<\/p>\n<p>The practice<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cI think it\u2019s smoke and mirrors,\u201d says Steven Barrett of Bluewater Financial Planning.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Indeed. Just because you\u2019re getting a 100 per cent allocation rate \u2013 which is what one would typically expect \u2013 it doesn\u2019t always mean you\u2019re getting the best deal.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Other fees and charges on the product might actually end up costing you more than if you had got a different product with a lower allocation rate.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Some investment products come with charging structures that allow for 105 per cent allocation \u2013 up to 5 per cent of which might go to the adviser. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Some advisers might say that their advice isn\u2019t costing the client anything \u2013 rather it\u2019s coming out of the insurance company\u2019s marketing budget,\u201d Quinn says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cThat is the key sentence that people trust and accept,\u201d he says. \u201cIt\u2019s most misleading\u201d because, of course, the client will end up paying the commission via a higher management charge.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">This means that even if the adviser was to offer you the 5 per cent commission (105 per cent is the maximum allocation), given the higher management fees, you\u2019d likely start to lose money after the seventh year, says Quinn.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Barrett agrees with the comment that it\u2019s never the insurance company that covers the adviser\u2019s fee. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cThe client is paying for it through a higher management fee,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">It means that the money is coming directly out of your investment pot. An investor might be okay with that but the issue is that many people do not fully understand the structure.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cAll of this is disclosed in a very murky way in the documentation,\u201d says Quinn. It is usually phrased that the client is getting 100 per cent allocation, he adds, but on a page towards the back there will be a little box detailing adviser or intermediary remuneration. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cBut a lot of people don\u2019t read it,\u201d says Barrett. And if they do, they see 100 per cent allocation and they expect that it is the insurance company covering the adviser\u2019s commission \u2013 and not their higher annual management charge. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">And these higher annual management charges can really bite. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cAllocation rate is a one off \u2013 annual management charges are for the life of the policy,\u201d says Barrett. They come out of your fund every year, eating into your expected growth.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Sometimes, the adviser might split the commission, so that the client gets a 102 per cent allocation for example, and the adviser gets 3 per cent. But again, while there might be an initial uplift, this can be eaten away by higher charges.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">You should also beware early exit penalties which can often apply where the allocation rate is in excess of 100 per cent. In some cases, an adviser could take 5 per cent up front and a half per cent trail every year.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cIt\u2019s not unheard of, but it\u2019s pretty extreme,\u201d says Quinn, adding that this could be compounded by switching to a new product provider after five years, and getting the 5 per cent upfront payment again.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">While it may not be common, Quinn has seen cases of people with an approved retirement fund (ARF) of \u20ac1 million paying out \u20ac50,000 in upfront commission, or \u20ac100,000 on a \u20ac2 million fund. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cYou wouldn\u2019t pay \u20ac100,000 for a professional fee but yet people can take this commission on a big pension fund, and no one bats an eye lid,\u201d says Quinn.<\/p>\n<p>Reform?<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">It doesn\u2019t have to be like this. Stockbrokers don\u2019t pay commission on product sales, nor do online brokers, while most of the life companies also offer lower-cost products, known as the \u201cclean pricing\u201d option. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cThere is no payment to the adviser, no encashment penalties and nothing is hidden,\u201d says Quinn. Instead, savers typically pay upfront where advice is given.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">So should allocation rates go?<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Barrett suggests that everything should start from a base of being 100 per cent allocation, and if fees\/commission are taken from the contribution, then the allocation comes down accordingly. So fees\/commission of 3 per cent would mean that 97 per cent of someone\u2019s contribution goes into their investment \u2013 quite clear for savers\/investors. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Barrett says it is likely that allocation rates will \u201cslowly die a natural death\u201d, given the move away from personal\/executive type pensions, towards <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/prsa\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/prsa\/\">PRSA<\/a>s and master trusts.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cThey don\u2019t really do allocation rates in the same way,\u201d he says, although he adds they can still be \u201cvery lucrative\u201d for advisers of ARFs.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">And people have become more savvy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cI think it will be market pressure that changes it, rather than regulators,\u201d says Quinn, adding that he sees younger professionals in particular being more sensitive to such practices, and more willing to pay upfront for advice.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Until then, it\u2019s a case of tread carefully when buying a product where allocation rates might apply.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cI say this to everyone: \u2018You can\u2019t know who\u2019s a good adviser who is working in your best interest, and not trying to maximise fee income out of you.\u2019 So, the question I always say to ask, is will they do it for a fee? If they don\u2019t, I\u2019d be asking a lot more questions,\u201d says Barrett.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Quinn agrees that you have to talk about the money.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cThe key question is to ask the adviser: \u2018What is the cost of advice here?\u2019 Or what is the wholesale price of the product and what is the cost with advice?\u201d he says, adding that you should also query an adviser as to whether or not there is another provider with a similar product that doesn\u2019t pay commission.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cIt cuts through any conflict,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Allocation rates in practice<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Consider the charging structure on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/zurich\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/zurich\/\">Zurich<\/a>\u2019s LifeSave investment bond. Documentation provided to financial advisers (but not investors) shows the various options that brokers can use to sell the product. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Allocation rates of 105 per cent are possible \u2013 which means that a broker can take a 5 per cent upfront commission. So, a \u20ac100,000 investment would result in a payment to the adviser of \u20ac5,000 \u2013 which is paid out of higher management charges of 1.25 per cent a year. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">And early encashment charges of as much as 5 per cent also apply. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">An alternative is upfront commission of 0 per cent with zero trail commission, and an allocation of 104 per cent \u2013 so an initial investment of \u20ac52,000 for a \u20ac50,000 customer investment. However, annual charges on this product are 1.1 per cent.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Another option is a 100 per cent allocation but with commission of 4 per cent, plus trail commission of 0.5 per cent a year. This option is going to hurt, as annual fees are 1.6 per cent. On top of this, there are early surrender penalties.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">These, of course, are just options and Zurich is far from alone. As a spokesman for Zurich notes, \u201cthe level and type (upfront and\/or ongoing) of remuneration would be agreed between the financial adviser and the customer\u201d, while remuneration will be \u201cclearly disclosed to the customer by the financial adviser\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Contrast this with the \u201cclean pricing\u201d product from Zurich, which offers upfront allocation, and annual fees of 0.75 per cent (the lowest on offer). Clean price is an industry term, says the spokesman, \u201cwhich means that the structure has an ongoing management charge only and doesn\u2019t have any upfront allocation\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">But it does make one wonder, if such products are described as clean, does it imply that other options are \u201cdirty\u201d?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"A peculiarity of the Irish market, allocation rates confuse at best; at worst they can severely hurt savers&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":302916,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[12967,72,11756,631,61,60,1612,71897,38182],"class_list":["post-302915","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-business","tag-brokers-ireland","tag-business","tag-competition-and-consumer-protection-commission-ccpc","tag-for-you","tag-ie","tag-ireland","tag-pension","tag-prsa-personal-retirement-savings-account","tag-zurich"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/302915","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=302915"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/302915\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/302916"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=302915"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=302915"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=302915"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}