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Nobody, not even Jim Jarmusch himself, seemed to think his latest, Father Mother Sister Brother, had a shot at winning the Golden Lion at the Venice Film Festival earlier this month. Not because the film wasn\u2019t terrific \u2014 it was<\/a> \u2014 but because it was so modest, minimalist, and odd, a true curiosity amid an awards-season-friendly lineup of big titles defined by their ambition and\/or their hard-hitting urgency. But Jarmusch\u2019s quiet little picture, which consists of three distinct episodes focusing on the relationship between siblings and their parents, has a way of sneaking up on you and of growing in the mind. Its awkward silences and spare, unaffected performances seem puzzling at first, but the whole thing gathers fascination and power as it proceeds toward its deeply moving final moments; it\u2019s a delight to experience with an audience. It\u2019s also a hard movie to stop thinking about, and it represents a triumphant return for the director, whose last feature was 2019\u2019s divisive (and highly topical) zombie comedy-thriller-adventure The Dead Don\u2019t Die. It\u2019s a return to basics for him, too: Father Mother Sister Brother has the wry, deadpan quality of the classics that originally put Jarmusch on the map, like Down by Law (1986) and Stranger Than Paradise (1984); its omnibus structure also echoes beloved films like Mystery Train (1989) and Night on Earth (1991). The movie will be the Centerpiece screening of the New York Film Festival. Talking about it, Jarmusch insists he \u201cwasn\u2019t trying to say anything about the family or really about anything.\u201d And yet, somehow, he has.<\/p>\n

You\u2019ve said in the past, \u201cI\u2019ve always tried to use limitations and look at them as strengths.\u201d Father Mother Sister Brother really feels like a film born out of limitations. Was that how it originated?
It\u2019s definitely very much limited. Let\u2019s just be straight up: It has no action, no violence, no drama, no nudity, no sex. Almost none of the things we are sort of trained to expect. And what\u2019s left is something very observational, minimal. It\u2019s still cinematic because it is a film and it has its own musical rhythm, and it has wonderful, wonderful performances by my amazing actor colleagues. But, yes, it\u2019s very much born out of limitations.<\/p>\n

But all of my stuff comes from disparate things. I always collect details for a long time, even a number of years, before I actually focus on writing the script \u2014 which I do quite quickly, usually in about a month. This one kind of started with a very vague idea: Gee, I think Tom Waits and Adam Driver, both of whom I\u2019ve worked with quite a bit, would be very interesting as a father and son. I\u2019d like to accentuate the differences in their characters \u2014 not in them as people, but the characters I was imagining. I\u2019m also sort of a Jeopardy nerd, and Mayim Bialik was a host on Jeopardy! I guess she\u2019s famous as a TV actor, but I honestly had not seen her TV work as an actor. Really, she was my favorite host on Jeopardy! Whenever Mayim was on, I\u2019d be like, \u201cOkay, okay. Let\u2019s see. I wonder what she\u2019s wearing. What her style is.\u201d I just loved her presence. I started imagining a tangential version of Mayim on Jeopardy! as the sister of Adam and Tom being their father. While sort of sketching ideas for that, the other ones started coming to me, of having Vicky Krieps and Cate Blanchett together as sisters also being quite different. Charlotte Rampling, who was just incredible, became their mother. And then the third story: Paris has always been the second-most important place in my life after New York City. And I had worked with both Indya Moore and Luka Sabbat briefly before, and I really liked them. The twins in the last chapter really are sort of my people, you know what I mean? I\u2019ve always liked the outsiders.<\/p>\n

My mother and her brother were twins, my Uncle Bob. They had a telepathic thing. This is getting a little personal, but I don\u2019t mind. Their father, my grandfather, was a career low-life criminal and was in jail all the time for forgery and conning people. So he abandoned them when they were pretty small. Their mother \u2014 my grandmother, who was a real character, who I really loved \u2014 worked as a schoolteacher to support them. So they were left alone quite a lot as little children. But my whole life, sometimes the phone would ring in my house and my mother would say, \u201cOh, that\u2019s Bob,\u201d meaning her brother. And she\u2019d answer the phone. And always, of course, it was Uncle Bob. I remember once she said, \u201cI have a feeling that your Uncle Bob isn\u2019t feeling well. I ought to call him.\u201d And she called him and he had a bad flu or something. But they had a real thing. So that was just another little element that I started with.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s kind of vague where these things come from. I haven\u2019t done much press about this, but I did a little in Venice, and they said, \u201cWhy the family?\u201d It was surprising to me, because it did not come from a need to address the family structure. But the family encompasses universal complications, so that makes it interesting. I wasn\u2019t trying to say anything about the family or really about anything. I just wanted to nonjudgmentally observe these flawed people that we do not dislike.<\/p>\n

The last movie you released was The Dead Don\u2019t Die, six years ago. That film got mixed reviews, and we talked about this at the time<\/a>. But despite being a comedy, it also felt like it came from such a place of despair. It was like your Salo. It felt almost like a crash-out, like a \u201cScrew everybody and everything\u201d kind of movie. I found that quite moving. Was that the vibe when you were making it?
Not really. I am still quite in despair by the rapid decline of the climate on the planet and the fact that the powers that broke it ain\u2019t going to fix it. A lot of that was put into The Dead Don\u2019t Die. At the same time, though, I always considered it an absurdist comedy. Obviously, the zombie metaphor is quite obvious. But it was a dark period for me in general. And the filmmaking was very stressful. There were too many effects. I lost the thread while working because I kept getting interrupted by budgetary concerns rather than creative ones. At the end of it, I felt that while it had not damaged my health to any excessive degree, I could see the potential for that. I take good care of myself. I\u2019m vegan, I do Tai Chi, and those things were keeping me afloat, so to speak, physically. But I could see the stress was very damaging. And I thought, Man, I don\u2019t want to die young because I\u2019m making a film! There are other things I need to do! I just kind of backed away for a little while. It lasted almost five years. And then the itch started getting to me, like, \u201cOh, man, I want to shoot. I want to shoot. I got to write. I\u2019m going to shoot.\u201d<\/p>\n

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\n Indya Moore and Luka Sabbat in Father Mother Sister Brother.
\n Photo: carole bethuel\n <\/p>\n

You\u2019ve done a lot of other things in the meantime \u2014 art shows, live music performances, etc. \u2014 and you\u2019ve always maintained your independence. But we\u2019re living through a time when people find it harder and harder to make a living doing those things. Have you experienced that?\u00a0
Yeah, I see it on almost every level. I see it very much in music. Things like Spotify, where miraculously, music is available at all times, but the musicians are completely taken advantage of and not paid. It\u2019s hard to make money even off recordings. There is a heartening resurgence in vinyl, but it doesn\u2019t sustain a musical artist. Live shows are also difficult. Venues are getting thinned out, although that\u2019s still probably the best way for musicians to pay for their dinner, so to speak. I don\u2019t know what\u2019s happened exactly, but it\u2019s tough being someone who uses human expression or artistic expression as a kind of livelihood.<\/p>\n

Over the years, what has helped pay the bills the most for you? Was there a particular film or project?\u00a0\u00a0
I have been very stubborn about owning my copyrights to my films. So once the rights revert back to me, which can be a period of anywhere from ten years in the old days to now more like 25, then I can relicense them. Usually, I go straight to Criterion because that\u2019s my preferred streaming platform, kind of my drug of choice. I\u2019ve been able to sort of sustain my small business, which is keeping my work going, and several people that I employ that help me immensely. But it\u2019s dwindling down. It\u2019s going in the wrong direction. The money coming in, even though I own the rights to these things, it\u2019s not evening out.<\/p>\n

I was treated very well very early on by the French producer and distributor for my film Down by Law. And I made a little bit of money there. Broken Flowers was very helpful to me because Bill Murray and I had backend in the film, and the film did make some money. Whenever Bill would get paid, he would say, \u201cWell, did you pay Jim?\u201d And they\u2019d go, \u201cOh? Oh, yeah, we\u2019ll get right on it.\u201d Bill really protected me, and I got paid enough to keep my mother in her own home her last years in Ohio, which was incredibly important to me and very expensive. And I got some other things taken care of for the people close to me. I must say Bill had a lot to do with that. A few times, I made a little money off some of these films, but never hit the jackpot, so to speak. I could have plotted a much different career path if I was trying to do this as a lucrative professional enterprise. But I\u2019m very stubborn and I always have complete artistic control over my films and who my collaborators are. And I walk away if I don\u2019t have that.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s interesting that you say the family thing wasn\u2019t a big factor in making Father Mother Sister Brother. Because when we watch a film like this, we can\u2019t help but think about our own parents or children or other family relationships. I understand why people might\u2019ve asked you that.
Yeah, I understand too. But I wasn\u2019t really prepared because it wasn\u2019t my driving force behind creating the script. It\u2019s very interesting to me that people have said, \u201cOh, it made me want to go and call my mom.\u201d Something like that.<\/p>\n

That was actually the headline of my review: \u201cJim Jarmusch Wants You to Call Your Mother<\/a>.\u201d I literally walked out and felt like I had to call my mom.\u00a0
Oh, okay! That was your review!<\/p>\n

This was in Venice, so she and I were in similar time zones. And I thought, Oh, I should call her right now. And then \u2026 my phone rang, and it was my mom calling. I thought that was pretty good.
That\u2019s great. I love that. There are all these telepathic things involved. Families are very intense.<\/p>\n

But you also managed to avoid the clich\u00e9s around this kind of subject. Because we see the first two stories and obviously, we sense this disconnect between the parents and their children. And then we see the twins in the final episode. They seem to have been closer to their parents, and yet at the same time, they also don\u2019t quite know everything about their parents. The movie winds up being about how none of us really know each other. That was quite beautiful.
Parents try to present something of themselves to their children for various reasons. To be a role model or to be a guide or because they don\u2019t want to divulge certain things about their life. They\u2019re not completely transparent. Some of it\u2019s considerate and protective, some of it\u2019s selfish. But it\u2019s sort of universal that it\u2019s kind of rare for children to truly know their parents. There\u2019s a lot of deceit, and not necessarily in an evil way. I don\u2019t like liars, and I don\u2019t like people that lie to get over on other people, but sometimes lies are to protect someone, even though that usually backfires. The intention is not always selfishly negative. So anyway, I found that the parents in the third chapter really had a lot of secrets, at least the mother did. But obviously, they had a loving family. One of my favorite moments in the film is there. Indya\u2019s character, Skye, is sitting in the kitchen of the abandoned apartment and her brother Billy comes in and says, \u201cWhat\u2019s up?\u201d And she says, \u201cI was just thinking about Dad\u2019s cooking.\u201d That little moment, it tells you the role of their father. It shows a kind of familial love. Food is essential with children and feeding them and all that. It was so minimal an insight, but I liked that moment.<\/p>\n

The simplicity of the film is wonderful. It\u2019s so stripped down, at least on the surface. And obviously, you\u2019ve always been known as a minimalist filmmaker, especially earlier in your career. But how do you craft that level of simplicity without totally losing the audience?
Well, I\u2019m not really thinking about the audience. But making something look effortless takes a lot of effort. I use the metaphor of flower arranging. Because if you place some flowers in a vase and then you adjust even slightly, the composition changes, even if it\u2019s very minimal. I was trying carefully not to say anything. There\u2019s no message in it except a kind of empathetic observation. So it took a lot of energy. I don\u2019t want to talk about it, but the next thing I\u2019m going to shoot, I learned some things from this film that I didn\u2019t realize until after I was done with it that it was preparing me for certain aspects of how I make the next film. That\u2019s a little abstract, sorry. \u201cCan you be a little more vague, Jim?\u201d<\/p>\n

I gotta say, too, I edit with Affonso Gon\u00e7alves, this master editor. And we always start by looking at every take of the shot that was selected and making notes, which takes two weeks. It\u2019s excruciating. But he insists that we do this so that he has notes on every moment that I liked or had a comment about or thought might work or something. During that period of watching it, I was shocked at how attentive I was. You hear my voice and you hear me direct and hear me readjusting something. I was like, \u201cWow, that guy\u2019s really focused.\u201d I thought I was a space cadet, but it turns out I was very, very focused making this.<\/p>\n

The details are crucial, though, because when we lose a loved one, those little details are the kinds of things that we remember. I remember a particular dish my grandmother made, or a specific kind of gesture my grandfather made, or something like that. We don\u2019t necessarily think of the big things about their lives. We think about just these little tiny little details.
Yeah. My father had some strokes, and at the end in Cleveland, I would go back to Ohio and see him and he couldn\u2019t speak, really, for quite a while. And I took him out for a drive in the car. I didn\u2019t have a real close relationship with my father. But when I was young, I had a thing of identifying automobiles. I could identify all these different cars, and my dad enjoyed my ability to do that. So we\u2019re driving in the car, he hadn\u2019t spoken in a few months, and they had a new design of the Lincoln Town Car. And we passed one, and my father says, \u201cLincoln Town Car.\u201d I remember it so distinctly, because it seems so mundane, but it clipped back to my positive relationship with him when we\u2019d be in a car and I\u2019d see a \u201959 T-Bird or something as a kid. But anyway, those were the last words he spoke. \u201cLincoln Town Car.\u201d Those little things, they seem kind of stupid, but they\u2019re resonant.<\/p>\n

It was fun watching Father Mother Sister Brother with its first Venice audience because it felt like people didn\u2019t quite know initially what to expect or how to react. Those initial parent-child interactions with all those awkward silences were delightful. At first, people are looking around at each other like, \u201cWhat is this?\u201d And then a few minutes later, they\u2019re totally locked in. You could really feel the film starting to work its charm on the viewer.
Well, I have to say I was very, very attentive to the way the film builds over the three chapters. These are not short films to be seen alone. They accumulate emotionally. And the emotional peak of all three chapters is really at the end, when the twins are in their parents\u2019 bedroom in the emptied-out apartment and they embrace. It\u2019s a little bit more than I usually would put in a film, but it had to be there in this film, in this story. So things were very carefully constructed. It\u2019s very much like making a piece of music that has three movements for me. The themes repeat, and I amuse myself with little repeated jokes and the Rolex and toasting with different things. And \u201cBob\u2019s your uncle\u201d and silly things I put in, just ways of amusing myself initially. There are little leitmotifs, but really, it was pretty carefully constructed. I\u2019m quite proud of it.<\/p>\n

Earlier in your career, because of both the style of films and also the budgets, you said you used like 70 percent of what you shot. And then as the years progressed, your process became more one of discovery. You were shooting more, exploring more, improvising more. And then you\u2019d find the film in editing. Watching this new one, though, this felt to me like a return to your old way of making movies. I don\u2019t know if that was the correct impression. But did your process change on this one?
It did, more because of the collaboration with the actors. Also, the script is very minimal and pretty precise, so it didn\u2019t need a lot of extra wild improvisational things added. I always approach each actor differently by what their strengths are. In this case, most of the actors, they stayed very close to the script. All of them, except for maybe Tom Waits, who needs a ton of longer leash, and that\u2019s his strength. Mayim and Adam are very precise actors, and Tom is looser. At the end of the first day of shooting that chapter, Tom took me aside and said, \u201cSo, Jim, you hired these two professional killers. What do I do here?\u201d I said, \u201cTom, we do our thing. We do our way. You do your way. It\u2019s going to be great that we\u2019re all different.\u201d They are quite precise, but he was almost intimidated by their precision.<\/p>\n

When we last talked, the Democratic presidential primaries were going on, and the world seemed to be beyond fucked. This was 2019, and I think we can safely argue that six years later, it\u2019s even more fucked than it was then. But now you come out with a film that has a quiet, humanistic beauty to it. It doesn\u2019t feel political, but it does feel like a consciously different vibe than what the world outside is giving us.
You say it\u2019s not political. I wanted to read you a quote I really like. You know Jehnny Beth from Savages? I like her attitude, her music. I wrote this quote down a couple of weeks ago. She said in an interview, \u201cArt doesn\u2019t have to talk about politics to be political or to change the world. Artists are here to open us, to make us feel more in touch with others and connected and empathetic. That\u2019s what art does.\u201d I was like, Gee, I wish I\u2019d said that. I wasn\u2019t prepared for the Golden Lion in Venice at all. It was quite surprising, so I didn\u2019t really have a speech prepared, but I had read this quote a few days earlier and I paraphrased it a little bit. So, I agree that everything is political in a sense, as Godard said. To not directly talk about politics does not mean something isn\u2019t political. But for me, the political thing is to protect empathy in a way. The last time I saw Joe Strummer, it was like five weeks before we lost him. He was in New York. He walked me back to my home from a restaurant because I had the flu or something. He stopped at my door and looked me in the eye, and I\u2019ll never, ever forget this. I repeated it recently. He said, \u201cJim, our job is to protect empathy at all costs, and to live groovy lives.\u201d And then he left into the rain and he died five weeks later that summer. Next time I saw him was at his funeral in London in a coffin. I\u2019ve been trying to live by that. \u201cProtect empathy at all costs. And to live groovy lives.\u201d I\u2019m trying to do both. I\u2019m trying to enjoy the strangeness of my life, but I am trying in my work to protect empathy.<\/p>\n

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