{"id":608273,"date":"2026-08-29T12:50:18","date_gmt":"2026-08-29T12:50:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/608273\/"},"modified":"2026-08-29T12:50:18","modified_gmt":"2026-08-29T12:50:18","slug":"the-club-that-lost-christy-ring-and-could-never-quite-talk-about-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/608273\/","title":{"rendered":"The club that lost Christy Ring \u2014 and could never quite talk about it"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In Tim Horgan\u2019s detailed biography of Christy Ring, the major events of its subject\u2019s life are broken down chronologically into sub-sections.<\/p>\n<p>Ring\u2019s first appearance in Croke Park with the Cork minor team is afforded a little over two pages, while those Munster final clashes with Limerick are given three or so. Meanwhile, the culmination of this period \u2013 his Cloyne departure \u2013 is limited to half a page.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">No reflection of Horgan\u2019s appreciation of this moment\u2019s importance, it more so reveals how reluctant people have been to discuss the event, and how much uncertainty surrounds it to this day as a result.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Cloyne GAA club had just won the Cork Junior Hurling Championship, and though there is no way of knowing what this small club\u2019s ceiling might have been with Ring in tow, they were a team on the rise.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">The nature of what happened next was summed up by Horgan in a single sentence: \u2018Word went round the village that Christy was leaving the club and, even though there was no truth in the rumour, the matter was raised at an acrimonious meeting where it was sarcastically suggested that his brothers should go too.\u2019\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">In that particular reading of events, the disrespect shown to the Ring family proved too great an insult to ignore.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Willie John started hurling for Ballinacurra, while Paddy Joe moved to Russell Rovers. Interestingly, Christy\u2019s departure led to a brief period in the wilderness. Before deciding to join Glen Rovers, he simply stopped playing club hurling altogether.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">The alleged rumour that led to such an astonishing fall-out has no specific source, but it was grounded in a potentially misguided perception of reality.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">As referenced earlier, Ring did leave Cloyne during this period to find work in Cork city, a reflection in part of the limited opportunities available for a young person seeking employment.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Ring\u2019s need had likely been exacerbated by the untimely death of his father, Nicholas, in 1937.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Whether or not his physical displacement from Cloyne cultivated a wandering eye in terms of the bigger city clubs he undoubtedly came into contact with is a reasonable suggestion \u2013 though there is no evidence to suggest that this is what occurred.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/5210620_13_articleinlinemobile_336095.jpg\" alt=\"Hurling great Christy Ring. Pic: Connolly Collection\/Sportsfile\" title=\"Hurling great Christy Ring. Pic: Connolly Collection\/Sportsfile\" class=\"card-img\"\/>Hurling great Christy Ring. Pic: Connolly Collection\/Sportsfile<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">What has been claimed, however, was how keenly aware some of these same clubs were in Ring\u2019s sudden presence.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">\u2018He was offered jobs by Sarsfield and St Finbarrs,\u2019 wrote Val Dorgan, an allegation that this Glen Rovers man insisted his own club did not extend to Ring by way of getting him onside.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Although even the timeline of these events is hazy, and Dorgan\u2019s assertion does not specify whether such offers were made before or after Ring had stopped playing for Cloyne, it is fair to assume that perhaps things were not all that much clearer then.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">This would have been equally unhelpful in the cultivation of rumours.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Any hint of doubt or confusion in Ring\u2019s future with the club always had the potential to spiral out of control \u2013 especially among club officials.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">As Breand\u00e1n \u00d3 hEithir wrote of GAA committees in this period, \u2018the higher up the hierarchical ladder I went the more this reserve resembled suspicion, if not antagonism.\u2019\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">In the same way Ring would later inspire frustration in those who believed his reputation granted him favourable treatment on the field, there may have been a similar thought brewing then that led to the crucially destructive question: who does he think he is?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">The wilful silence which hangs over this episode is unquestionably tied to the extent of Ring\u2019s later success.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">To briefly indulge an imperfect (but appropriately seismic) baseball comparison, Cloyne resembled the hapless Boston Red Sox who traded Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Though the reasons which led to the respective departures of Ring and Ruth differed, both Cloyne and the Red Sox shared the sensation of being left to witness each man\u2019s marvellous ascent from a short distance away.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">The pain must have been all the more acute in Cloyne, however, given how definitively Ring had been a product of their hurling- mad community. \u2018I never felt it rested easy on the people who were talking about it,\u2019 recalled Donal \u00d3g Cusack, \u2018and it wasn\u2019t a conversation I very often heard anything about.\u2019\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/5210623_13_articleinlinemobile_888616_1_.jpg\" alt=\"Christy Ring playing at the Polo Grounds in New York. Pic: Sports Illustrated\" title=\"Christy Ring playing at the Polo Grounds in New York. Pic: Sports Illustrated\" class=\"card-img\"\/>Christy Ring playing at the Polo Grounds in New York. Pic: Sports Illustrated<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Indeed, though there is no record of Ring publicly discussing his exit, it must have had a fundamental impact on his approach to public attention.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Though his shyness may have precluded him from fully inhabiting his celebrity in later years, it is probable that this experience helped reinforce that same reluctance.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">There is nothing like being the helpless subject of idle chat and speculation to ensure that you never again say or do anything that might get you noticed for the wrong reasons.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Similarly, for a man who so rigidly valued the importance of loyalty, this sense of betrayal must surely have contributed to Ring\u2019s subsequent wariness of people unknown to him.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">If his own club could leave him with no option but to depart, there was nobody who could be considered fully trustworthy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">It is at this point that further scrutiny of what occurred is perhaps worth making.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">There is no smoking gun, or fresh revelations from protagonists who have now all passed away. The story simply seems jarringly incomplete.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">With familial links to Cloyne that could be traced back through centuries, did Willie John, Paddy Joe and Christy Ring leave their local GAA club principally because of a misjudged comment about their loyalty to it?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Despite what Cusack described as the almost cross-generational trauma that this schism caused, was there no attempt made in the period when Christy ceased to represent any club to bring him back into the fold?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">It was clear from Ring\u2019s subsequent weekly returns that Cloyne remained intensely important to him, but this only makes the situation more confusing still.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Dorgan\u2019s portrayal of Ring does not shy away from its subject\u2019s tendency to view the world in somewhat simplistic terms of right and wrong.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Though Dorgan regarded him as a deeply intelligent man who hesitated to share opinions on issues of which he was uncertain, there were things in life that Ring seemed to consider unalterable.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">The singular obsession that drove his hurling development could often seem equally applicable to issues of a moral or ethical nature. Overwhelmingly, Ring was presented as a man who lived by a code.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">\u2018A redoubtable Republican, [he] attended a play I wrote, although it virtually accused the GAA of creating little Provos,\u2019 recalled Dorgan. \u2018He told a mutual friend afterwards he would have walked out if I had not been a Glenman.\u2019\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">So perhaps the mere suggestion of his disloyalty to Cloyne was all it took to drive Ring into the bosom of Glen Rovers.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Maybe there was more to the story that simply never entered the public domain. Or was there any chance Ring ultimately knew that to truly reach his potential as a hurler he would be better served playing for a club that could feasibly match his ambition?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">It would be unfounded to argue that any such impulse initiated Ring\u2019s Cloyne departure, but it seems plausible to assume that this thinking may have influenced his next decision.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.irishexaminer.com\/cms_media\/module_img\/10421\/5210626_13_articleinlinemobile_Copy_20of_20WhatsApp_20Image_202026-08-28_20at_2011.40.02.jpg_tn_FILE_channel_PRINT\" alt=\"Mackey and Ring: Reliving the halcyon days of hurling through two titans of the game.\" title=\"Mackey and Ring: Reliving the halcyon days of hurling through two titans of the game.\" class=\"card-img\"\/>Mackey and Ring: Reliving the halcyon days of hurling through two titans of the game.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">\u2018The year 1941 was a memorable one in my life,\u2019 wrote Ring. \u2018I won my first All-Ireland and Railway Cup medals but in particular it was the year I joined Glen Rovers Hurling Club.\u2019\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">In every relevant sense, it was a perfect pairing.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">It has been told that the initial movement in making it a reality started with a conversation between Ring and his Cork teammate and Glen man, Jack Lynch: &#8220;We soon got talking about hurling and he told me about the dispute with the Cloyne club which he said couldn\u2019t be resolved. I said being unattached was no advantage to his hurling progress, that he should be playing club hurling. \u2018I know that,\u2019 he said, \u2018but what can I do?\u2019 \u2018Why not join the Glen?\u2019 I suggested. \u2018Yes,\u2019 he said, \u2018I might do that.\u2019 So he went away, thought about it and the rest, as they say, is history.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">An undeniably neat rendering of Ring\u2019s decision to permanently leave his club for another, what he found in Glen Rovers seemed almost created to satisfy his intentions in life.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Glen Rovers had been Cork county champions in the seven successive seasons up to his arrival (they would win their eighth in \u201941), so Ring was joining a club that had made a habit not only of winning, but of winning in a way that he related to.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">&#8220;Those outside our club cannot understand the secret of Glen Rovers\u2019 success. Complacency was never part of our make- up. As a matter of fact the opposite has always been the case. We have gone out as underdogs so many times and come out victorious that there must have been some incentive and purpose to spur us on. This is a combination of many things; good hurlers playing as a team, dedication and pride, toughness and luck.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Albeit an unabashedly biased Glen man himself, Dorgan\u2019s summation of the move is still prescient: \u2018No one seemed prepared to say why Ring left Cloyne, but it was logical that he should.\u2019 In Glen Rovers, as that comment suggests, he found a home worthy of his talents.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">It stood to reason, then, that when Dorgan and a friend travelled to Cloyne in April 1980, seeking the Ring family\u2019s approval for his book, he had a slightly different perception of what the recently deceased Christy represented. Making his pitch in Willie John\u2019s living room, Dorgan argued that Ring did not belong \u2018to Cloyne, Glen Rovers or Cork, but to Irish people everywhere\u2019.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">However compelling a case he made, the family did not consent.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Too many stories had been told about Ring to count, and it was their intention that the first extended study of his life and career should be definitive \u2013 and on the family\u2019s say-so. One can assume that this is what Christy himself would have wanted.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">However great an impact he went on to have in the world thereafter, it was in Cloyne that Ring began and where it was felt by those closest to him that the final word should be written. \u2018He always seemed capable of coping comfortably with his divided loyalties to Cloyne and Blackpool,\u2019 wrote Dorgan after leaving Willie John\u2019s house, but it was ultimately an arrangement that went both ways.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">For all that the reasons behind Ring\u2019s departure remain unclear, it can be fairly assumed that in joining Glen Rovers he came closer to realising his hurling potential than might otherwise have been the case.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Throughout a period in Irish history when emigration was unfortunately commonplace, people were accustomed to their loved ones leaving and to leaving their loved ones. Although Ring never went too far, the glory of what his going enabled always shone back on where he had come from.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">To the extent that he forever remained of Cloyne, so too did Cloyne never allow itself to forget Ring. As Dorgan proceeded to wander around the area where his hero had hurled as a boy, he took advantage of a chance encounter with some local children to canvas their opinions on Cloyne\u2019s most famous son.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">\u2018I asked them if they had heard about Ring,\u2019 he wrote. \u2018They were tongue-tied with shyness, but one, obviously suspicious of a stranger, piped up from the back. \u201cHear what about him?\u201d\u2019<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">***\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">It wasn\u2019t just Ring\u2019s longevity that made him so difficult to characterise, however. Set against a more expansive media landscape than ever before, his stardom and celebrity reached uncharted heights.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">While always a source of interest for sports journalists, the significance of anything he did in the public eye had come to be considered newsworthy. When Ring accepted an invitation to play a private round of golf in July 1961, for example, it became a front-page story on the Limerick Leader.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">\u2018The famed Cork hurler caused quite a stir at Limerick Golf Club on Wednesday evening,\u2019 read the article. \u2018It was the Glen Rovers [man\u2019s] first attempt at golf, and according to [Limerick Senior Cup player Kevin] Hayes he played extremely well.\u2019\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A few weeks later, when Ring\u2019s job with Irish Shell caused him to spend a few weeks working in Waterford, the local newspaper ran an article under the headline: \u2018Christy Ring in town\u2019; as if his being there was a kind of endorsement.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">When Ring was appointed a trainee sales superintendent for the company that summer, Irish Shell\u2019s public relations officer, Arthur Rae, was called on to clarify what Ring\u2019s new role would mean for his training time.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">\u2018Every facility will be given to Christy Ring,\u2019 it was assured. \u2018His new duties should not interfere with his training programme any more than they did over his past fourteen years\u2019 service with Irish Shell.\u2019<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">And it wasn\u2019t just the newspapers that were interested in him. Days before he had golfed in Limerick, Ring\u2019s voice was broadcast to the nation via Radio \u00c9ireann. At the request of a former Cork teammate and rector of St Joseph\u2019s School for Blind Boys in Drumcondra, Fr Con Cottrell, Ring delivered an appeal for donations on the school\u2019s behalf.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Alluded to in the national press days beforehand, his efforts were well received. \u2018He is a remarkable man,\u2019 asserted one local columnist. \u2018He has never made any money out of his own great story and he has never sought to publicise himself.\u2019\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">On the international stage, Ring was regarded as something akin to an ambassador for Irish sport and culture. Although in the United States of America particularly, mention of Ring could often inspire a twee response about his sincere importance to Irish audiences at home and abroad, he was still a reliable source of serious interest there.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">In his wonderful memoir of a life spent playing with and observing Ring, Val Dorgan captured the magnitude of his appeal during a trip they both made to New York City in the mid-1960s:<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">&#8216;We walked down Broadway and on three separate occasions were stopped by men who recognised him \u2026 [At] one particular reception, he was besieged non-stop for about two hours by a stream of admirers, as well as some cranks.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">&#8216;He endured the most inane overtures in a sober patience \u2026 During the 22 days I roomed with Ring in the US he was in frantic demand. Eventually I became his secretary, monitoring his calls and shielding him from the admiring curiosity of Americans \u2026 As a list topping guest, Ring vied with the Pope and John F. Kennedy, before he cut Ireland\u2019s emigration quota to the US.&#8217;<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Ring had been properly introduced to the nation\u2019s sports fans when profiled by the weekly magazine Sports Illustrated during a visit in late 1954.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">On the same trip, in Sports Illustrated\u2019s far wider-reaching sister publication, Life, Ring was the central focus of a photographic essay on the game of hurling. Since Life sold copies by the tens of millions, it is difficult to estimate how many American readers would have been introduced to him.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">\n<p>                *This is an excerpt from &#8216;Mackey and Ring, penned by Arthur James O\u2019Dea (\u20ac24.99), published by Gill Books. 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