{"id":651467,"date":"2026-10-11T12:08:21","date_gmt":"2026-10-11T12:08:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/651467\/"},"modified":"2026-10-11T12:08:21","modified_gmt":"2026-10-11T12:08:21","slug":"ireland-vs-europe-apartment-living-when-family-come-over-this-is-not-what-they-envisioned-the-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/651467\/","title":{"rendered":"Ireland vs Europe apartment living: \u2018When family come over&#8230; this is not what they envisioned\u2019 \u2013 The Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Barcelona, Spain<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cYou can\u2019t raise kids in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/apartment\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/apartment\">apartments<\/a>.\u201d Donal Quinn recalls someone in Ireland telling him this, unaware that his son, along with most of Barcelona\u2019s children, was growing up in such a dwelling.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cI looked at her and said, \u2018Actually you can\u2019,\u201d recalls the Co Galway man, whose son is now 12. \u201cWorld Cup winners: they all probably grew up in apartments,\u201d he adds.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Spain and Ireland are at opposite end of the housing-type spectrums: Spain has the highest proportion of apartment-dwellers in the EU (65.3 per cent), Ireland has the lowest (9.7 per cent), <a href=\"https:\/\/ec.europa.eu\/eurostat\/web\/interactive-publications\/housing-2025#house-of-flat-owning-or-renting\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/ec.europa.eu\/eurostat\/web\/interactive-publications\/housing-2025#house-of-flat-owning-or-renting\">Eurostat Data shows<\/a>. Across the EU it\u2019s the reality for almost half (48 per cent) of households. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">So why are Irish people so out of sync with many of their European counterparts? This question was recently considered in an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/opinion\/2026\/09\/23\/lorcan-sirr-irish-people-dont-want-to-live-in-mostly-awful-apartments-here-are-5-ways-to-fix-them\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/opinion\/2026\/09\/23\/lorcan-sirr-irish-people-dont-want-to-live-in-mostly-awful-apartments-here-are-5-ways-to-fix-them\/\">opinion piece<\/a> by housing policy analyst Lorcan Sirr, who pointed to how the size, facilities, location and design of Irish apartments are among reasons many prefer houses. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">But what\u2019s the experience of Irish people living in apartments in continental Europe? Is resistance simply down to Ireland\u2019s mix of housing stock and poorer-quality apartments, or is there something ingrained deep within us that makes the appeal of our own front door so immovable? <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Quinn concedes that a back garden would have been nice for his son to run around when he was about five. But close to their apartment there are enough playgrounds, parks and tree-lined street for any child. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">This density of living gives his son increasing freedom, he says: \u201cIt\u2019s a short distance to his school, to his grandparents.\u201d It also makes daily life easier, not just regarding Quinn\u2019s short commute. \u201cThere\u2019s eight-storey apartments all around here. The density of people brings the density of everything else. So there\u2019s always life &#8230; When you go to the dentist or the doctor, it\u2019s just 100m away.\u201d As the teenage years approach, Quinn believes his son will be much better off here than in one-off housing in rural Ireland where he would have to be driven everywhere. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Like most of his neighbours, Quinn is there for the long term, having lived in the same apartment in Barcelona since moving 17 years ago. Property ownership levels in Spain are broadly similar to Ireland (73 versus 69 per cent). <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" alt=\"Donal Quinn, pictured at his apartment in Barcelona, Spain. Photograph: Cathy Loughran for The Irish Times\" class=\"c-image\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/3CX7IMEURBHIPBYEVVMR5FFG5U.jpg\"   width=\"800\" height=\"533\"\/>Donal Quinn, pictured at his apartment in Barcelona, Spain. Photograph: Cathy Loughran for The Irish Times <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cThere\u2019s much less of a sense that you are on the property ladder. That you\u2019ll move on. So this means you\u2019ve a longer-term relationship with your neighbours,\u201d he says. This helps when dealing with problems like noise, a concern raised by Irish apartment dwellers in <a href=\"https:\/\/issda.ucd.ie\/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi:10.7929\/ISSDA\/FGXSH6\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/issda.ucd.ie\/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi:10.7929\/ISSDA\/FGXSH6\">studies<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cBarcelona apartments are designed so the sittingrooms are on the street and the bedrooms face each other [in an inner courtyard] at the back,\u201d he says. If a party occasionally gets a bit loud \u201cthe cops are quick to turn up if it goes past midnight\u201d. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/opinion\/2026\/09\/23\/lorcan-sirr-irish-people-dont-want-to-live-in-mostly-awful-apartments-here-are-5-ways-to-fix-them\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Irish people don\u2019t want to live in \u2018mostly awful\u2019 apartments. Here are five ways to fix themOpens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Having rented an \u201cextremely dark\u201d apartment in Smithfield, Dublin, before moving to the Catalan capital, having good light is a big factor for Quinn. Most apartments in his area are dual aspect, and his is south facing, getting light all day \u2013 though hot in summer, he concedes.<\/p>\n<p>Nice, France<img decoding=\"async\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" alt=\"Julie-Ann Wall, who lives in Nice, France. Photograph: Dara Mac D&#xF3;naill\" class=\"c-image\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/F3ZG7VPE5RGFNDSZMBXPZYM3BE.jpg\"   width=\"800\" height=\"533\"\/>Julie-Ann Wall, who lives in Nice, France. Photograph: Dara Mac D\u00f3naill <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Julie-Ann Wall lived in apartments in Dublin city centre for 10 years before moving to Nice in France for work two decades ago. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cI never knew any of my neighbours [in Dublin] &#8230; They don\u2019t have a lot of communal areas &#8230; In France it\u2019s very different.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Wall\u2019s experience is that apartment residents are \u201cinvested\u201d and building management meetings \u201ccan be quite emotional\u201d. In her previous Dublin apartment, \u201cnobody went to the management meetings\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/abroad\/2026\/08\/23\/irish-people-who-live-where-we-holiday-abroad-my-only-regret-i-didnt-move-sooner\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Irish people who live where we holiday abroad: \u2018My only regret, I didn\u2019t move sooner\u2019Opens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Wall lives in a large one-bed apartment in a 1960s building with plenty of storage. But the mix of apartment types is key to this sense of community, with three- and four-bedroom apartments accommodating different types of people and families.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cThe age groups go from people in their 20s to someone who is almost 100.\u201d The different generations of neighbours in her apartment building all interact. \u201cThis gives it a nicer atmosphere.\u201d <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cIt feels like people are here for the long term rather than seeing it as a temporary home,\u201d she says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">For Wall, the two concierges, who have worked at the block for more than 30 years, are key to this atmosphere. \u201cThey just see everything, and know everything that\u2019s going on. So they do a bit of cleaning, co-ordinating plumbers, and so on, and that really makes a big difference.\u201d The concierges in her building also help to \u201cbring everyone together\u201d by organising social events. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">When she returns to Co Offaly, Wall encounters people who struggle with the concept of not having \u201ctheir own front door\u201d. But for her the apartment firmly feels like home. <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" alt=\"Orla Hegarty of UCD\" class=\"c-image\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/YCOPXKJ4SBDT3JRZBICPYB6LIE.jpeg\"   width=\"400\" height=\"599\"\/>Orla Hegarty of UCD <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cStandards are a factor in Irish attitudes,\u201d says Orla Hegarty, assistant professor at UCD\u2019s School of Architecture, Planning and Environmental Policy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">She notes how Ireland has \u201chad this steady deterioration of standards\u201d. Space is one of the key declines in the latest apartment planning guidelines, introduced last year. Allowing a 32sq m studio is the equivalent of \u201ctwo parking spaces with a bathroom and a wardrobe &#8230; so small you need air conditioning to ventilate it\u201d, says Hegarty. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The guidelines\u2019 provision for fewer balconies and outdoor spaces will have an impact on \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/mental-health\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/mental-health\">mental health<\/a>\u201d and where people actually want to live, says Hegarty. She bemoans the \u201ccontinuous picking away\u201d at Irish apartment standards.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The change in guidelines also allows for one lift on long corridors with many apartments, Hegarty says. While hotels with long corridors are monitored, in such blocks you won\u2019t know your neighbours and it can feel unsafe if there\u2019s no security, she says. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/property\/residential\/2025\/03\/26\/irish-apartments-were-built-for-childless-20-somethings-to-live-in-while-they-save-for-a-house-readers-have-their-say-on-apartment-living\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">\u2018I grew up in an apartment in another country. I bought an apartment in Dublin and had to get out after a year\u2019Opens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">She notes how concierges are commonplace in apartments in other countries. They \u201ckeep the peace and security\u201d and help to \u201cbuild community and give people a reason to behave well\u201d. A strong mix of socio-demographics is also important to building community, she says. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Unlike countries such as France, Ireland was slow to purpose-build apartment blocks. Historically in Ireland flats were converted buildings of a poor standard and were seen as a short-term measure, says Hegarty. \u201cWe only got going [building apartments] in the 1990s, and apartments in Dublin were generally built to a poor standard \u2013 with long corridors, no soundproofing or storage.\u201d <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/dublin-city-council\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/dublin-city-council\">Dublin City Council<\/a> worked hard to improve standards in the 1990s, with decent balconies and proper storage, she says. After the recession it emerged just how poor many of the Celtic Tiger apartment standards were, she says. The changes in apartment building standards that followed the recession were \u201creally detrimental\u201d and \u201cill-conceived\u201d, she says.<\/p>\n<p>Frankfurt, Germany <img decoding=\"async\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" alt=\"Damien Lynch in Frankfurt\" class=\"c-image\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/M6L7DQ5BVBHIZBNEOQCS7IOS4I.jpg\"   width=\"800\" height=\"1066\"\/>Damien Lynch in Frankfurt <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Damien Lynch lives in a suburb of Frankfurt, Germany where he has raised two (now young adult) children in a three-bedroom apartment.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">But returning to visit the semidetached house in Swords, Co Dublin, where he was raised, it\u2019s the noise there that often strikes him. \u201cThe amount of noise that travels between the houses is actually unbelievable.\u201d In his apartment block with 250 units, he has \u201cnever had a complaint about noise\u201d. \u201cSometimes my son will have a little party here and the neighbours won\u2019t know because they are so well insulated.\u201d <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cIt amazes me how well-designed and thought-out it was, though built in 1972.\u201d He notes that his apartment, at 110sq m, is the same size as his parent\u2019s semidetached house. Alongside that it has good-size balcony, a private locked cellar, communal laundry rooms, bike storage and a full time live-in caretaker. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">And this density of living means Lynch is just a three-minute walk from the train station, where he can be in the centre of Frankfurt in 20 minutes. He doesn\u2019t mind the lack of a back garden: \u201cWe have a green space and playground attached to the complex, and within a few minutes there are three other playgrounds.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">When he bought the apartment first, some in Ireland assumed it was a \u201cstarter home\u201d. \u201cThere\u2019s definitely a bit of a snobbish attitude in Ireland towards apartment living &#8230; but when family come over and see the size of our apartment, our balcony, the cleanliness of the common areas &#8230; this is not what they envisioned.\u201d <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/opinion\/2024\/11\/05\/its-an-epic-scandal-that-cowboy-builders-can-just-walk-away-from-the-fire-traps-they-created\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">What has happened to the cowboys who built defective apartments? Absolutely nothingOpens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">In Germany almost 60 per cent of people live in apartments and, with strong tenant protections, long-term rental is the norm. More than half of households (53 per cent) are rental (compared with 30 per cent in Ireland).<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">And this long-term nature of tenancy improves the experience of living there (\u201cwe leave keys with our neighbours\u201d) and it means there is no stigma attached to not being in a house, he says. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">For Lynch the lower quality of apartments in Ireland reinforces the idea that they are intermediary rather than long-term housing solutions.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Ann McKiernan and her husband got their first taste of apartment living during the Celtic Tiger, albeit in Canada, where they had moved from Ireland. \u201cWe looked at each other and said, \u2018Oh my God, an apartment, what are we going to do about this?\u2019 But we moved in and we took to it, like a duck to water.\u201d <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">A quarter of a century later and now retired, McKiernan is a firm convert to the benefits of apartment living. The couple split their time between their apartments near Murcia on Spain\u2019s Costa C\u00e1lida and Meath. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">In her experience \u201cthere is no comparison\u201d between standards in Ireland and Spain. \u201cThey have taken a more realistic approach to real long-term living requirements for all types of family sizes. They recognise that apartment dwellers have the same requirements as house dwellers.\u201d <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">McKiernan\u2019s three-bedroom apartment in the Spanish block, which is full of retirees, has a utility room, a generous livingroom and a large kitchen. It\u2019s close to the sea and amenities, with parks nearby and a roof terrace. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Her biggest concern \u2013 noise \u2013 turned out to not be an issue. \u201cThere seems to be a recognition that this is communal living and we all respect each other.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Although the couple encountered scepticism when buying an apartment in Meath, having sold a house in Ireland, it made sense for McKiernan: \u201cWe didn\u2019t want a garden, or to be locking up a house.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Her Irish apartment experience is positive, but she puts this down to buying a high-end place in a very small development. \u201cIt\u2019s a good way to live if you can get the right management company and the right co-operation between people who live in apartments.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">However, she believes Ireland needs to change in the culture of communal living. Issues such as shared bins: \u201cThings get dumped in all three [organic, recycling, waste] willy-nilly.\u201d Parking can be a source of tension, with drivers \u201ctaking anybody\u2019s space\u201d, something she has never encountered in Spain. \u201cWe have a lot to learn about the realities of apartment living in Ireland,\u201d she says. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Barcelona, Spain \u201cYou can\u2019t raise kids in apartments.\u201d Donal Quinn recalls someone in Ireland telling him this, unaware&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":651468,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[11423,72,13288,1814,3662,61,60,10970,194073,8286,2846,976,42415],"class_list":["post-651467","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-business","tag-apartment","tag-business","tag-dublin-city-council","tag-france","tag-housing-crisis","tag-ie","tag-ireland","tag-irish-abroad","tag-lorcan-sirr","tag-offaly","tag-spain","tag-weekendreview","tag-your-stories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/651467","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=651467"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/651467\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/651468"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=651467"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=651467"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=651467"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}