{"id":66828,"date":"2025-10-08T09:52:12","date_gmt":"2025-10-08T09:52:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/66828\/"},"modified":"2025-10-08T09:52:12","modified_gmt":"2025-10-08T09:52:12","slug":"kingspan-spinout-a-big-bet-on-the-biggest-bet-in-the-history-of-bets-the-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/66828\/","title":{"rendered":"Kingspan spinout a big bet on the biggest bet in the history of bets \u2013 The Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">It\u2019s a story with a familiar ring to it. A successful Irish quoted company with a market-leading position \u2013 controlled by a patriarch from a Border county \u2013 watches its share price dwindle as investors flock to buy into the next big thing. Keen to get in on the action, the company decides to hive off part of the business and repackage it as something likely to appeal to investors transfixed by the new and novel. The impact on the share price is almost instantaneous, as is the collapse when the bubble bursts.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Neil McCann, the Louth-born chairman of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/fyffes\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/fyffes\">Fyffes <\/a>whose worldoffruit.com internet play imploded in 2001, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/business\/sectors\/face-of-fyffes-neil-mccann-dies-aged-87-1.611481\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/business\/sectors\/face-of-fyffes-neil-mccann-dies-aged-87-1.611481\">died in 2011<\/a> but were he alive he might have some advice for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/eugene-murtagh\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/eugene-murtagh\">Eugene Murtagh<\/a>, the Cavan-born octogenarian who chairs building materials group <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/kingspan\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/kingspan\">Kingspan<\/a>: if you are going to float off part of your business to cash in on the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/artificial-intelligence\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/artificial-intelligence\">artificial intelligence<\/a> (AI) revolution, you better do it quick. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Fyffes shares were at a 12-month low when it was announced in December 1999 that it was going to establish a commercial fruit-trading website called worldoffruit.com to capitalise on the dotcom revolution and its promise of frictionless global ecommerce. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/business\/2025\/10\/02\/ai-is-smart-just-dont-ask-it-to-speak-the-irish-language\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">AI is smart, just don\u2019t ask it to speak the Irish languageOpens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The shares were up 64 per cent by the time the site was launched the following January as investors bought into the future of fruit trading as Fyffes saw it. By 2001 it was all over, both for investors and worldoffruit.com as the reality dawned that the new technology could not deliver on the hype. The internet was not big and fast enough and the computers were not good enough. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Kingspan\u2019s shares \u2013 which have fallen by a third over the last four years \u2013 jumped 13.5 per cent when it announced two weeks ago that it plans to spin off its advanced building systems unit Advnsys, which is focusing on the global boom in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/data-centres\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/data-centres\/\">data centre<\/a> construction. It could to be worth \u20ac6 billion according to analysts. Kingspan plans to float an initial 25 per cent.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The rationale for the demerger, according to Gene Murtagh \u2013 chief executive officer and son of Eugene \u2013 is the valuation put by the market on engineering and construction firms that focus on data centres. It in turn reflects the massive investment being made by data centre operators and tech companies to meet the expected demand for AI-related services. According to the European Data Centre Association, \u20ac100 billion will be invested in the sector between 2023-2030. McKinsey, the management consultancy firm, puts the figure at \u20ac6 trillion globally. <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" class=\"c-image audio_image\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/1754647931518-c07d65db-55b5-463e-ae51-976300c5837e.jpeg\"\/>Should we put more money into Irish soccer? <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph\">Ireland\u2019s national soccer team will slide down the international rankings unless significant investment is made in the League of Ireland\u2019s academy system, according to the league\u2019s director Mark Scanlon.He has submitted a proposal to the Department of Finance ahead of Tuesday\u2019s budget requesting \u20ac4m annually, rising to \u20ac8m after two years to be spread across Ireland\u2019s 26 soccer academies.Mr Scanlon said the system in Ireland remains heavily reliant on volunteers, stunting the sport\u2019s growth despite years of strong audiences and revenues.His plan includes three new full-time roles directing academy soccer across Ireland.On today\u2019s podcast Ciar\u00e1n Hancock is joined by Mr Scanlon and Irish Times Soccer Correspondent Gavin Cummiskey.Produced by Declan Conlon and Andrew McNair, with JJ Vernon on sound.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Firms focused on the sector are valued at 20 times earnings, according to Murtagh, while Kingspan proper is valued at 12 times earnings. When you consider that Advnsys, which is expected to account for a fifth of Kingspan\u2019s revenues this year of $9.3 billion, could have a stock market value of almost half of its parents, it looks like a no-brainer <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The rationale may be clear but so are the risks. As the adage goes: if something looks too good to be true, it probably isn\u2019t true.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The possibility of an AI bubble bursting is a topic that provokes strong views and no clear answers. As the writer and investor Ruchir Sharma pointed out in the Financial Times this week, US tech companies and stock market investors are \u201call in\u201d on AI, which is the main driver of growth in the US economy, accounting for a 40 per cent share of US GDP growth this year.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">AI evangelists tout it as a panacea for all the US economy\u2019s ills, from declining productivity to the debt burden. We are definitely in too-big-to-fail territory, which should set off alarm bells in its own right.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">You have to question all this blind optimism when you read, as reported in the Guardian also this week, that consultants Deloitte have had to give the Australian government a partial refund on a A$440,000 (\u20ac248,000) report because it contained errors as a consequence of using generative AI. These included references to reports by researchers at the University of Sydney and the University of Lund in Sweden that did not actually exist, according to the Australian Finance Review. It also contained a made-up reference to a court decision. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Everybody who has used an AI tool has their own experience of \u201challucinations\u201d and mistakes or just plain wrong information. For the moment we seem to be giving the whole idea of it beneficially permeating every aspect of human endeavor the benefit of the doubt, primarily because of the promises being made by boosters such as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/elon-musk\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/elon-musk\/\">Elon Musk<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/sam-altman\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/sam-altman\/\">Sam Altman<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">But three years on from the launch of ChatGPT, AI has to start to match the hype or sentiment will change and with it the sky-high valuation being sought by Kingspan. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">It might be a bit apocalyptic to predict the AI bubble bursting but a reset of expectations \u2013 and valuations \u2013 does seem on the cards. Hopefully the Murtaghs have factored this into their plan lest Advnsys turn out to be less no-brainer and more worldofcladding.com. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"It\u2019s a story with a familiar ring to it. 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