{"id":75372,"date":"2025-10-12T07:37:06","date_gmt":"2025-10-12T07:37:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/75372\/"},"modified":"2025-10-12T07:37:06","modified_gmt":"2025-10-12T07:37:06","slug":"it-is-hugely-difficult-and-horrible-the-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/75372\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018It is hugely difficult and horrible\u2019 \u2013 The Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">When Lisa Ryan\u2019s relationship ended in 2022, a lack of affordable and suitable options meant she and her ex-partner  would have to continue living together with their young son, even though they were no longer a couple. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cWe needed to make it work that we would be able to share custody, and that our son was not going to be negatively impacted by having to move around schools or anything like that,\u201d she says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">But the situation was \u201cto the detriment of both of our mental health\u201d, she says,  \u201cbecause realistically that\u2019s not a situation that you could be in for very long\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">The percentage of people in Ireland who are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/separation\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/separation\/\">separated<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/divorce\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/divorce\/\">divorced<\/a> stands at 6 per cent, according to the 2022 census. Relationship breakdowns are rarely easy, but when coupled with a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/housing-crisis\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/housing-crisis\/\">housing and rent crisis<\/a> that prevents one partner from finding or affording somewhere else to live, a whole new set of challenges can emerge. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Ryan, from Wexford but living in Dublin, and her son\u2019s father had been together for almost a decade. She says she was \u201ctrying to get over the grief process [of a long-term relationship ending] &#8230; you\u2019re then having to deal with the fact that their dishes are still in the sink. You\u2019re still having the same arguments as what you would have about the way the house is, but you\u2019re not getting any of the good parts of the relationship\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">\u201cBoth of us were being driven completely mad by the other person, by the end of it,\u201d she says. \u201cI was dying last year, when the election was on, for one of them [politicians] to come to the door so that I could go \u2018this is the situation that you have people living through\u2019. I\u2019ve been dealing with mental health issues for a number of years, so it wouldn\u2019t have been the first time that I had issues with it, but I was definitely made a lot worse by the fact this was the living situation. And I was very aware this was also what our son was seeing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cIt comes with so much more distress, and you\u2019re not able to properly move on from the break-up when you don\u2019t have your own space to be in. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cAnd I do think it makes it more confusing as well. Our son was eight and it took several goes of us going \u2018no, Mammy and Daddy are not together any more. We\u2019re good friends, but we\u2019re not in a relationship any more\u2019.\u201d <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Two years ago Ryan managed to  get a place of her own. While she found the rent expensive, she\u2019s relieved not to be searching at current market rates.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Ashe Conrad-Jones separated from her husband Rob Jones 13 years ago, but they still live together. She also runs a business with her ex-husband. They have separate bathrooms and bedrooms within their house, but share a kitchen and diningroom.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">So how do they make living together after a relationship break up work?  <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">When the couple first broke up Ashe was \u201cfurious\u201d that they had to continue living together. \u201cIt was hugely difficult and horrible.\u201d Financially it wasn\u2019t \u201cviable\u201d for her to leave the business.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">They still had to deal with \u201canger, frustration and hurt\u201d, in the early years, she says, but \u201cthe counterpoint for both of us was &#8230; \u2018we have to start again, [We have to] draw a line in the sand and start again\u2019. Particularly because we have to run a business together &#8230; we don\u2019t discuss the past because that relationship is no longer relevant.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Neither Ashe nor Rob have dated anyone since their break-up, so no difficulties have arisen there. But they are aware that their children are getting older, which has made them think about the future. \u201cWe\u2019re not divorced, so we\u2019re talking about getting formally divorced for the first time.\u201d Ashe doesn\u2019t know if they will live separately when the children leave home \u201cbecause again it comes down to finances\u201d, she says.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" alt=\"Lisa Ryan, who lived with her ex-partner after the relationship ended, says the situation &#x2018;comes with so much more distress&#x2019;. Photograph: Nick Bradshaw\" class=\"c-image\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/QAI4AAGTMRC43IWKINCZ4PERII.JPG\"   width=\"800\" height=\"533\"\/>Lisa Ryan, who lived with her ex-partner after the relationship ended, says the situation \u2018comes with so much more distress\u2019. Photograph: Nick Bradshaw <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Rob\u2019s thinking is similar. It helps that the children are still at home, he says. But in considering the future, he admits, \u201cit changes all the time. Sometimes I think I can\u2019t wait to get out. Other times it\u2019s fine &#8230; The housing situation doesn\u2019t help. I have thought about moving and I have looked, but the financial [side] of buying at the moment. It\u2019s just crazy. It\u2019s wrong. It\u2019s criminal\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Niamh Delmar is a counselling psychologist who runs The Greystones Health and Wellbeing Centre in Co Wicklow. When a relationship breaks down, she says, \u201cit is challenging for both parties to shift the relationship status and this can be emotionally draining and stressful\u201d. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cThere is loss in the process. Both [people] may not be at the same pace. Navigating this new relationship is a transition that requires conversations and planning. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">\u201cResearch shows that maintaining a strong familial bond is beneficial for children. If there is conflict between partners, it is damaging to the children The arrangement needs to be communicated to children to in age-appropriate way.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">For former couples continuing to live in the same home, \u201cboundaries, expectations and ground rules need to be mutually agreed on and respected\u201d, Delmar says. \u201cHousehold and childcare responsibilities can be negotiated. Couples\u2019 counselling and family therapy can help navigate the transition more smoothly. Mediation and legal advice help to guide couples towards the future so they don\u2019t feel trapped.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">It\u2019s essential that the living space \u201cfacilitates privacy\u201d for each person, she says, advising that everyone \u201csets clear expectations around finances, new relationships and each others\u2019 needs\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Setting \u201ca timeframe for moving on\u201d that couples can work towards can be helpful, she says. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/health\/your-wellness\/2024\/03\/27\/my-work-colleague-has-said-shes-having-marital-difficulties-worryingly-it-includes-physical-abuse\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">\u2018My colleague has said she\u2019s having marital difficulties. Worryingly, it includes physical abuse\u2019Opens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Daniel* separated from his wife a few years ago, but until recently was still living with her. \u201cThere was no finish line, because once you\u2019re finished the relationship, you still have to work out the practicalities. And that takes a long time,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">\u201cYou\u2019re advised not to leave the family home, by anyone who\u2019s been through it before &#8230; \u2018if you leave, you\u2019ll never get back in, and you hand over all your rights\u2019 &#8230; and you don\u2019t want to leave, because you don\u2019t want to leave your children. The marriage is ended, but your desire to be part of a family isn\u2019t.\u201d <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Daniel says it was hard to know how to \u201cbe\u201d when he was still living in the house with his ex-wife. Coupled with the stress of the relationship breakdown, \u201cCovid hit\u201d, bringing the additional pressures of lockdown. \u201cThe experience of that was incredibly difficult and confusing,\u201d he says. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Daniel remembers struggling when it became apparent his ex-wife was moving on with her life more quickly than he was.  \u201cHaving to witness that, and live with it all the time, was really challenging for me, if I\u2019m honest,\u201d he says. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cIt\u2019s incredibly upsetting. It\u2019s incredibly difficult, but there\u2019s nothing you can do about it because from a financial perspective, neither of us were in a position to create deposits for a house overnight, despite being on really good salaries.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cIt\u2019s just pressure. You\u2019re going in, in the evening time, and you\u2019re trying to not create an atmosphere. Or hoping that there won\u2019t be an atmosphere. Or trying to protect the kids from an atmosphere that might be there over something. And you\u2019re going through mediation at the time as well &#8230; and those sessions are hard, but you\u2019ve to go back to the same house afterwards. And somebody might have said something in that session that was hurtful to the other person.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/your-money\/2025\/04\/09\/divorce-separation-and-doing-the-sums-on-the-family-home\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">What happens to your family home in a divorce? What you need to know on a tricky issueOpens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Daniel says he \u201cbit his tongue\u201d a lot to avoid rows, but this came at a cost. \u201cAll through that time I had sleep problems. I had issues with anxiety. I had issues with mood &#8230; I went through everything you can think of in terms of mental torment.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Living together \u201cprolongs the pain\u201d of the relationship breakdown, he says. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Although he has now moved out, the significant financial pressures of paying maintenance and running a second home mean Daniel has found himself questioning, \u201cDid I make a huge mistake in terms of quality of life?<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cPeople think once you\u2019re out of it and you\u2019re in your own house, that\u2019s the end of it. That\u2019s not the end of it. That\u2019s only the start of it. There\u2019s a whole other adjustment you have to go through at that point.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Nicola* is in her 50s. She split from her husband a few years ago after repeated attempts to make their marriage work. \u201cFrom my point of view, it was just a very loveless marriage as such, and I felt pretty much on my own within the marriage,\u201d she says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Although they\u2019re no longer a couple, they still live in the same house. It\u2019s a situation Nicola finds incredibly difficult. They\u2019ve rearranged the house to tide them over, but the housing crisis has made the ongoing situation even more difficult.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph\">You get tired, you get cranky &#8230; you\u2019re just tense all the time, and stressed. If people ask me how I\u2019m doing, one day I could say \u2018I\u2019m fine\u2019, and then another day I\u2019d just break down in tears<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 \u00a0Ciara<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cWe both work. We\u2019ve got good jobs &#8230; I work to send the kids to school and pay college fees and stuff. Rent is just extortionate.\u201d Nicola\u2019s ex-husband doesn\u2019t want to return to living with his parents and \u201cI don\u2019t want to leave the kids\u201d, she says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cI\u2019d say I\u2019m in a worse situation than I was when I came to the decision [to separate],\u201d she says. \u201cYou think things will move on, and you think you\u2019ll be able to move on with your life &#8230; and I\u2019m not getting any younger.\u201d <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Nicola says she would like to meet someone new. \u201cI would like to hold out hope that I could be in a happy relationship,\u201d she says, becoming upset. \u201cI kind of feel guilt that they [Nicola\u2019s children] haven\u2019t seen a healthy relationship.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">She worries about the impact the living situation is having on the couples\u2019 children. \u201cI would like to make a happy home for my kids, and a lot of the homemaking part of me has gone on hold. I feel like I can\u2019t make a home when he\u2019s still here. We basically spend most of our time trying to avoid each other.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cHe says he\u2019s looking for places to rent, but that\u2019s a big chunk that\u2019s going to come out of our finances &#8230; rent and a deposit &#8230; it\u2019s a huge amount of money to find.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/health\/your-wellness\/2025\/03\/16\/i-asked-my-husband-for-a-divorce-everyone-thinks-i-made-a-mistake-did-i\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">I asked my husband for a divorce \u2013 everyone thinks I made a mistake. Did I?Opens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Nicola admits much of her hope for escaping the situation is pinned on a future inheritance. \u201cAs cynical as it sounds, the only hope is that something down the line, he gets some money from inheritance &#8230; that sounds horrible.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Ciara\u2019s* marriage difficulties began after her second child was born. The couple tried counselling  but agreed afterwards that they would separate. Her husband is \u201cmaking it difficult on all fronts\u201d, she says. \u201cHe says he\u2019s going to move out, then he\u2019s not moving out.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">She lives in an affluent part of Dublin, \u201cso you\u2019re talking high rent, high mortgages\u201d, she says. \u201cNeither of us want to move the kids out of the area, but then we\u2019re stuck in limbo.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The stress of the situation has impacted Ciara\u2019s sleep. \u201cYou get tired, you get cranky &#8230; you\u2019re just tense all the time, and stressed. If people ask me how I\u2019m doing, one day I could say \u2018I\u2019m fine\u2019, and then another day I\u2019d just break down in tears.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Not many people know of Ciara\u2019s situation. \u201cHe\u2019s not happy that I\u2019m telling people,\u201d she says. Their young children haven\u2019t been told what\u2019s going on. \u201cThe older one is &#8230; picking up the cues. They can see that we don\u2019t spend time together. We don\u2019t talk to each other. There\u2019s no hugs or kisses, any kind of emotional or physical contact.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">It upsets her that she can\u2019t explain the situation to her children. \u201cAnd at the same time it hurts me when I see how he treats me in front of them.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">*Names have been changed<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"When Lisa Ryan\u2019s relationship ended in 2022, a lack of affordable and suitable options meant she and her&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":75373,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[14114,93,631,3662,61,60,25166,976],"class_list":{"0":"post-75372","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-entertainment","8":"tag-divorce","9":"tag-entertainment","10":"tag-for-you","11":"tag-housing-crisis","12":"tag-ie","13":"tag-ireland","14":"tag-separation","15":"tag-weekendreview"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75372","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=75372"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/75372\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/75373"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=75372"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=75372"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=75372"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}