{"id":150920,"date":"2025-11-24T21:31:10","date_gmt":"2025-11-24T21:31:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/150920\/"},"modified":"2025-11-24T21:31:10","modified_gmt":"2025-11-24T21:31:10","slug":"shawn-levy-on-stranger-things-origins-and-franchise-future","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/150920\/","title":{"rendered":"Shawn Levy on &#8216;Stranger Things&#8217; Origins and Franchise Future"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\t<a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/t\/shawn-levy\/\" id=\"auto-tag_shawn-levy\" data-tag=\"shawn-levy\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Shawn Levy<\/a>\u2018s go-to shorthand for Matt and Ross Duffer, the creators of \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/t\/stranger-things\/\" id=\"auto-tag_stranger-things\" data-tag=\"stranger-things\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Stranger Things<\/a>\u201d \u2014 which Levy brought to Netflix through his company, 21 Laps, in March 2015 \u2014 is simply \u201cthe brothers.\u201d He calls them that frequently and affectionately, as he speaks with Variety over Zoom in mid-August, pacing around his London hotel room as he\u2019s about to begin filming \u201cStar Wars: Starfighter,\u201d due in 2027. Though he\u2019s extremely busy, as an executive producer and director on \u201cStranger Things\u201d as well as its creative champion, Levy wanted to make sure he shared his version of the origins of \u201cStranger Things\u201d for <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/features\/stranger-things-5-duffer-bros-ending-spinoffs-1236551615\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Variety\u2019s Oct. 15 cover story<\/a> about the show\u2019s final season.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\t\u201cThere\u2019s not that many of us who have been here from day one to day last,\u201d Levy says. \u201cI feel privileged to be among them.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tBack in 2015, as a director, Levy\u2019d had a successful run of family comedies, such as \u201cThe Night at the Museum\u201d movies and \u201cCheaper by the Dozen.\u201d He was not a TV guy, nor was he a genre director. But Dan Cohen, his 21 Laps partner, walked into Levy\u2019s office one day and changed all of that. \u201c\u2018You need to stop what you\u2019re doing and read this thing,\u2019\u201d Levy remembers Cohen said. \u201c\u2018It\u2019s one of the best scripts I\u2019ve ever read.\u2019 My memory is that I said, \u2018We don\u2019t do TV.\u2019\u00a0And he was like, \u2018Please, just trust me. Read it.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tThe script Cohen was raving about was called \u201cMontauk,\u201d which would later turn into \u201cStranger Things.\u201d And the rest is pretty much history. Levy has directed two episodes in every season, including in the fifth and final one, and his involvement in \u201cStranger Things\u201d changed his career too \u2014 he went from family comedies to blockbusters like \u201cFree Guy\u201d and \u201cDeadpool &amp; Wolverine.\u201d Working on the show, he says, \u201crevealed filmmaking muscles I didn\u2019t know I had back then.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tAnd if Matt and Ross Duffers are \u201cthe brothers\u201d to Levy, in their 10-year text chain, he says, he\u2019s known as \u201cWarlock.\u201d He wouldn\u2019t tell us why, <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/duffer-brothers-game-of-thrones-stranger-things-cast-aging-1236588478\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">but the Duffers did,<\/a> calling Levy a \u201cmaster\u201d of his type of wizardry: \u201cnavigating studio politics.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/wp-content\/themes\/pmc-variety-2020\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/ShawnLevy-Duffers-Season1.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy- height=\"683\" width=\"1024\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\tRoss Duffer, Shawn Levy and Matt Duffer seen on June 6, 2017, in Los Angeles.<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tCourtesy of Eric\u00a0\u00a0Charbonneau\/Invision for Netflix\/AP Images<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\t\u201cWhen things went wrong, and things inevitably would go wrong every once in a while, we would <a>call in<\/a> Shawn,\u201d Matt says, \u201cwho we called Warlock. Just because he had some form of dark magic that he could wield when necessary. You don\u2019t want to set the warlock loose too often, but when he needs to come in, he will come in and solve any situation no matter how dire.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tEven as the Duffers\u2019 confidence grew, and they became experts in the things they\u2019d once been ignorant of, they would occasionally need the Warlock. \u201cSeason by season, it gets more complicated \u2014\u00a0there are more fires,\u201d Ross says. \u201cWe now know so much more than we did back then. But there\u2019s still instances where the Warlock comes in and helps save the day.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tHere, Levy explains what made him want to champion the Duffer brothers, how \u201cStranger Things\u201d changed his own career and why sticking the landing in the show\u2019s series finale has always been their \u201cNorth Star principle.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\t\tWhat was your first meeting with Matt and Ross like? What were your first impressions of them?\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tThis will definitely be the pull quote, especially if you\u2019ve met them: My first impression was hair twirling and gum fidgeting. Like, literally, the Duffers have signature fidgety habits, and they often involve hair and gum \u2014 sometimes bottle caps? But I just remember, on the one hand, they were quite internal, young guys. They don\u2019t give themselves away. Yet there is a kinetic, busy energy to their body language. And I remember seeing it on my couch and being really charmed by it.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI felt like, \u201cOh, they are not comfortable selling in a room. But they are all heart.\u201d They so often work and converse in this bubble of twinship \u2014 this was back then \u2014 that I could feel that presenting and connecting outside of that twinship was a less comfortable zone for them. They\u2019ve grown and evolved stunningly over the past near-decade.<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/wp-content\/themes\/pmc-variety-2020\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/ShawnLevy.BTS-Noah-Finn-Caleb.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy- height=\"683\" width=\"1024\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tCourtesy of Tina Rowden\/Netflix<\/p>\n<p>\t\tWhat did you talk about in that meeting? What did they say that gave you faith in their potential to create this show?\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tFor one thing, sometimes you read something and the tone is so confident, so clear \u2014 and that script \u201cMontauk\u201d had it. It was not trying to be anything but itself. It was breaking so many rules with confidence. It was a period piece. It was a show about kids that wasn\u2019t for kids. It was coming of age sweetness with horror genre darkness. So it broke all these supposed rules, but it transgressed with such assurance.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI\u2019ll tell you the other thing I remember: The depth of movie nerdom, the extent to which these boys are crazy fans of movies, was self-evident from that very first meeting. Suddenly it didn\u2019t matter that I wasn\u2019t in the television business, because I was a movie director talking to these young, aspiring storytellers about movies. They told me the story of \u201cHidden,\u201d\u00a0the one movie they had made, and I watched that movie, and that sealed the deal. Because the confidence of that direction, even when they were so young and brand new \u2014 the same confidence that I saw on the page, I saw on the screen in the one movie they directed.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tWhich is why we trotted into Netflix not only determined to sell the show, but I backed their dream of directing all of it themselves. Between that script and \u201cHidden,\u201d I just knew they were capable of it. They\u2019ve since told me that my betting on them fed into why they bet on me and my company. There was just a connection there in spite of our personality differences \u2014 the overlap was enough for us to bet on each other.<\/p>\n<p>\t\tIt sounds like they initially were very uncomfortable doing anything separately, but since that time, that\u2019s changed.\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tMatt and Ross, they\u00a0were\u00a0the AV Club. The reason that the show is special is that beyond all the mythology and all the genre scale, it\u2019s an anthem to outcasts. Because the Duffer brothers were never the Steve Harringtons: They were always the Mike, the Will, the Dustin. And what they did have, in lieu of a broad, effortless social circle, was each other. So there\u2019s just this deep, often non-verbal connection between Matt and Ross.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tThey still love writing, editing, color timing, directing \u2014 doing every step together. My recollection and my observation is in 2015, the Duffers were predominantly comfortable talking to each other, and they have grown just massively more comfortable leading broader groups on broader stages and connecting outwardly with a much more broad swath of people and collaborators.<\/p>\n<p>\t\tWhen we <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=AfQct4ujz8Q&amp;list=PLLx_Nt-I7Viq7Ng0kqxT4axN9ApckuZI4&amp;index=1\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">interviewed them in Season 4<\/a>, they talked about how Netflix was the only buyer for \u201cStranger Things\u201d that would agree to allow them to direct. Obviously, Netflix is now the monster that ate the world. But can you talk about what the streaming landscape was like in 2015?\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tBecause the brothers always envisioned this as an eight-hour movie, the streaming binge model always made the most sense. It was not necessarily the coolest place to be; it was not the obvious place to be. Netflix was one exhibition outlet among many, and it was not the de facto first choice among any.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tBut this streaming model, where people could experience a story contiguously and as the eight-hour movie that the Duffers envisioned, that always made tremendous sense.\u00a0Back then, Netflix was a much smaller company. My memory is that the circle of decision-makers was much smaller. And to be clear, the freaking bet the Netflix put on us and this show was\u00a0staggering \u2014 and the kind of huge swing that we don\u2019t see that often at any network or streamer anymore.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tThis was an original show with kids, but not for kids; with two 30-year-old, unproven filmmakers; a movie director who had never done TV and whose movie career at that point was predominantly family comedy \u2014 on paper, this made not a lot of sense. But it was just that good.\u00a0It was just that good.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI\u2019ll add this in case it\u2019s useful: It wasn\u2019t just that the script was that good. It\u2019s that <a href=\"https:\/\/screencraft.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/StrangerThings_Bible.pdf\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the\u00a0lookbook<\/a> \u2014 which is now famous on the internet, and studied in film schools, by the way \u2014that you can still find for \u201cMontauk,\u201d that the Duffers made before we ever made the show,\u00a0it was proof that they had it all inside them already.\u00a0If you go and look at that lookbook, as I encourage readers of this article to do, you\u2019re going to see that they knew what they wanted this to be. It was that clear. And Netflix bet on us big.\u00a0Did I answer your question?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/wp-content\/themes\/pmc-variety-2020\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/ShawnLevy-premiere-DuffersTedBela.1.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy- height=\"683\" width=\"1024\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\tMatt Duffer, Ted Sarandos, Ross Duffer, Shawn Levy, and Bela Bajaria at Netflix\u2019s \u201cStranger Things\u201d Season 5 World Premiere at TCL Chinese 6 Theatres on November 6, 2025 in Hollywood<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tCourtesy of Getty Images for Netflix<\/p>\n<p>\t\tYou did!\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tWhy I wanted to talk to you, and why I knew it would take some time, is there\u2019s not that many people who have walked the long road. The Netflix folks who greenlit the show, many of them have moved on to other jobs. We\u2019ve had crew members come and go. It\u2019s a long road, nine and a half years! But to be one of maybe a dozen, maybe less, who have walked every step alongside the brothers, and to do it as a fellow EP and fellow director, it\u2019s really been one of the most gratifying parts of my career. And that\u2019s the truth.<\/p>\n<p>\t\tWhat was your experience of what happened when Season 1 came out? \t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI\u2019m sure the brothers will tell you the same thing, and I\u2019m literally a block from where it happened. I was here in London. It was the Saturday in July 10 hours after we premiered, and my recollection is it was social media that told me first. I remember where I was standing in front of the\u00a0Connaught Hotel\u00a0in Mayfair, London, talking to the brothers, and us being like, \u201cAre you seeing this?! I think something\u2019s happening.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tA short time thereafter, we started getting a sense of the numbers, and we realized, oh, wow, this thing is everywhere, and it\u2019s loud.<\/p>\n<p>\t\tWe visited them in their editing room in July, and they were editing Episode 6, which you directed, and their mind-meld with Dean Zimmerman, the editor, was so complete that we couldn\u2019t comprehend it.\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tOne of the many, many famous expressions from \u201cStranger Things\u201d lexicon is the hive mind? The hive mind is the Duffers. It sounds like you got to witness a bit of that.<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/wp-content\/themes\/pmc-variety-2020\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/ShawnLevy-WinonaRyder.1.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy- height=\"683\" width=\"1024\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\tWith Winona Ryder <\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tCourtesy of Tina Rowden\/Netflix<\/p>\n<p>\t\tHow has the show\u2019s popularity affected the process of actually making the show?\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI spoke about the very risky bet that Netflix made back in 2015 \u2014 that bet is less risky, but it is also a bigger bet every season. So the resources that we\u2019ve been given by Netflix have been remarkable, and it\u2019s really <a>empowered<\/a> the Duffers\u2019 storytelling on an increasingly grand scale. One of their biggest fears is complacency, and the secondary huge fear is repeating themselves. This internal imperative that the Duffers have to level up with every season has been, fortunately, very supported by Netflix.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\t\tHow has your day-to-day involvement with the show evolved since Season 1?\u00a0\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tWhen we made Season 1, the Duffers did not enjoy, and were not particularly comfortable with, any of the outward-facing aspects of running and creating a hit show. They\u2019ve grown. They\u2019re a decade older. They\u2019re a decade more mature. One of them has become a dad of two young girls. As that\u2019s happened, the Duffers\u2019 comfort with all the outward-facing aspects of the job has grown immensely, and as that\u2019s grown, I\u2019ve been able to take the back seat where I belong.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tTheir happy place remains writing, directing, editing, scoring, color timing \u2014 the making is their bliss. That will always be their greatest joy. But as they\u2019ve evolved into true leaders, my role has become more one of support. And what will never change is when they need something handled, I get it handled. Over the years, that\u2019s been small things like, \u201cShawn, can you get permission for us to use \u2018Thriller\u2019 in our Season 2 trailer?\u201d Or \u201c\u2018Magnum, P.I.\u2019 turned us down for Hopper\u2019s cabin television \u2014 is there someone you can call?\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI told the brothers early on, back when we pitched Netflix, \u201cI don\u2019t know what you\u2019re going to need me to be on this show, but whatever that is, that\u2019s what I\u2019m going to do. I just want to help get this thing in the world.\u201d I\u2019ve tried to honor that promise for a decade now.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\t\tDo you remember when they knew that it would be five seasons? And what conversations you had about where they wanted the show to go, and how long it would take to get there?\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI wish that I did. I will say that even to this day, even as we talk about the future, there\u2019s still a private place in the Duffer heart that only each other can access. And so while I had a glimmer of the end zone \u2014 and by the way, I feel like the Duffers would vomit at me using a sports metaphor in reference to them \u2014 they had a sense of where this was heading pretty early: I want to say late Season 2.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tBut can I also add to that that one of the superpowers that I\u2019ve observed is they\u2019re able to react to the unexpected. So, for instance, Steve Harrington was going to be in one episode. Then it was several episodes, and then it was \u201cWait, what if we paired Steve with Dustin?\u201d They have always been really sensitive to discovery along the way. Even though they had a roadmap in their head, I know that it\u2019s been redrawn based on which characters come alive in certain ways, which actors contribute things they might not have expected.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/wp-content\/themes\/pmc-variety-2020\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/ShawnLevy-BTS-NoahSchapp.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy- height=\"683\" width=\"1024\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\tWith Noah Schnapp<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tCourtesy of Tina Rowden\/Netflix<\/p>\n<p>\t\tWhen you did start talking in earnest about the logistics of the final episodes, what were the most important things you wanted to achieve with the final season?\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tThe brothers have always talked about sticking the landing; they talk about it in relation to movies. They talk about it in relation to television series. The Duffers always pointed out when something stuck the landing \u2014 and how nothing matters more than sticking the landing, whether it\u2019s a movie, an episode, a season or a series. That\u2019s like a North Star principle for them: You\u2019ve gotta stick the landing.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tSo when we started talking about Season 5, it was it was non-negotiable that we stick the landing. They have had their hearts broken by shows that they loved that failed fans in the end. They did not want, and do not want, and refuse to be one of those shows. So this has been obsessively important to them.<\/p>\n<p>\t\tWhat do you think are the big questions of \u201cStranger Things\u201d that were essential to be answered by the finale?\u00a0\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI would contend that the brothers don\u2019t want to leave any questions unanswered.\u00a0There might be literally less than one hand\u2019s worth of things that are not clarified and resolved \u2014 because the Duffers ultimately want to satisfy the audience. They make the show for themselves, but they also make the show for our audience. That\u2019s one thing I\u2019ve always loved about them, and it\u2019s one area where we\u2019ve always connected.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tWe have very different personalities, very different tastes \u2014 but where we\u2019ve always understood each other is that we\u2019re making things for audiences. We\u2019re telling stories for other people, not for our own sort of narcissistic enjoyment. We\u2019re making these stories for people to connect with.\u00a0So answering those questions was really important, and I think they did an exceptional job. It\u2019s why it\u2019s a big, sweeping final season.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI would say this, and then I\u2019ll take a breath. Yes, we have once again elevated scale and cinematic spectacle, but they have never \u2014 and they do not in this final season \u2014 abandon the character storytelling that is our special sauce. So this toggling between the massive and the intimate \u2014 the epic and the intimate, that might be a better way of putting it \u2014 that\u2019s classic \u201cStranger Things.\u201d And it\u2019s fundamental to Duffer storytelling.<\/p>\n<p>\t\tHow involved are you in <a href=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/2025\/tv\/news\/stranger-things-spinoff-new-characters-not-star-wars-1236554757\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the \u201cStranger Things\u201d spinoff<\/a>?\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tYou mean, the one that nobody knows anything about yet?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\t\tThat one.\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI\u2019m trying to think what\u2019s been announced. Like \u201cFirst Shadow\u201d on Broadway, like the animated series, like every Halloween Horror Nights and piece of merchandise, the brothers and I are very much in it together. We always have been. We always will be. The same will apply to the spinoff.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tWhile I am excited to extend the storytelling life of \u201cStranger Things\u201d \u2014 I\u2019m not going to call it a \u201cuniverse,\u201d because that would be obnoxious. The \u201cSTU\u201d? Too soon? Shit, I know you\u2019re going to use that! But like with the end of our series, they\u2019ve been very protective of spinoff talk, and I understand that the Matt-Ross bubble is sacred. And so while I\u2019m involved in those conversations about the future, they\u2019re also protective of talking about it too much until they really figure it out, and they don\u2019t like to take their eye off the priority ball. And right now it\u2019s \u201cStranger Things 5.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\t\tA show like \u201cStranger Things,\u201d with two unproven creators that bucks so much conventional wisdom \u2014\u00a0do you think that could happen in today\u2019s landscape?\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI think about it all the time. My answer is, while it could happen, it happens so much more rarely. It\u2019s rare enough that a vision and voice this clear comes along, but it\u2019s equally rare in this moment, in this industry, for someone to place that big bet on something brand new. The decision-making tends to be more fearful. This is not specific to Netflix. This is the entertainment industry at large.<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/wp-content\/themes\/pmc-variety-2020\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/ShawnLevy-BTS-DacreMontgomery.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy- height=\"683\" width=\"1024\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\tWith Dacre Montgomery<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tCourtesy of Tina Rowden\/Netflix<\/p>\n<p>\t\tWhat impact do you think the show has had on the industry?\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tEveryone is looking to strike this same vein of gold. But the whole thing about it is, if there were a bunch of them, more people would do it. They\u2019re very rare. They\u2019re very special.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI do think that it\u2019s a useful reminder that whatever the rules are at a given moment, they\u2019re just waiting for someone to come along and break them. I love when I see a movie like \u201cSinners\u201d or show like \u201cHacks\u201d or a show like \u201cThe Bear\u201d or \u201cBeef,\u201d or a movie like \u201cWeapons.\u201d I love that every time people get comfortable in the rules, some motherfucker is going to come along and break them.<\/p>\n<p>\t\tYou touched on this earlier, but when you first got to know them, you were known as a comedy director. How did \u201cStranger Things\u201d affect your career?\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI think about it a lot, because I had this incredible run of hit movies before 2015 that were predominantly comedies, and a lot of them were family comedies. And then I look at everything since, and it\u2019s \u201cFree Guy\u201d and it\u2019s \u201cAdam Project\u201d and \u201cDeadpool &amp; Wolverine,\u201d and now \u201cStar Wars.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\t\u201cStranger Things,\u201d for one thing, revealed filmmaking muscles I didn\u2019t know I had back then. It really deepened my confidence in my own storytelling range, and it also seems to have disrupted a former perception of what I was all about.<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/variety.com\/wp-content\/themes\/pmc-variety-2020\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/ShawnLevy.tinyNoahSchnapp.FYC_.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy- height=\"786\" width=\"1024\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\tWith Noah Schnapp on June 6, 2017, in Los Angeles<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tCourtesy of Eric\u00a0Charbonneau\/Invision for Netflix\/AP Images<\/p>\n<p>\t\tWhat has it been like for you to say goodbye to the show?\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tAs sad as you would imagine, as proud as you would imagine. And above all, with this very strong knowledge that the connection we have \u2014 the Duffers and me, this cast and us \u2014 it\u2019s really unique. We\u2019ll all go on to other jobs and, God-willing, other hits.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tWe just knew it could be great. That was all the reason I needed. I can\u2019t think, other than \u201cArrival,\u201d honestly, of something that I\u2019ve gone into with no sense of whether people will show up, but a certainty that it could be great and special. And the bond between the Duffers and I, having walked this road together, it\u2019s really meaningful to me. Literally, there\u2019s a 10-year text chain between the brothers. I\u2019ll let them explain the nicknames if they feel like it. But that connection is very dear to me, and it\u2019s about way more than shared success. It\u2019s shared experience \u2014 that\u2019s a really intimate bond.<\/p>\n<p>\t\tWhat\u2019s their nickname for you? You have to tell us.\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tI\u2019ll let them explain it: Warlock.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\t\tWarlock! Is there anything that we didn\u2019t ask you that you\u2019d like to tell us?\u00a0\t<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tMaybe just one thing.\u00a0The evolution of the Duffers has been \u2014 I mean, the shift has been seismic. Because the brothers are emotionally private, they don\u2019t give themselves away. They are much more comfortable in the public forum than they were even four or five years ago. You\u2019re getting the benefit of that, presumably.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tBut there\u2019s a sweetness to these boys that is not worn on the outside, that is not immediately obvious. But I\u2019ve seen it. I\u2019ve seen it 100 times over a decade. It\u2019s in their writing, and it\u2019s in the connections they have, particularly with our young cast. And frankly, it\u2019s been in their relationship with me. I saw two guys in 2016 \u2014 they told me straight up: \u201cWe don\u2019t do great talking about feelings. Our feelings are in our writing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tAnd now I\u2019ve had countless moments where gratitude, emotion, connection is expressed in real life. The big hearts that sit inside these boys is really beautiful to me. I feel lucky because I\u2019m one of a small group of people who\u2019s gotten to see it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto  lrv-a-font-body-m   \">\n\tThis interview has been edited and condensed.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Shawn Levy\u2018s go-to shorthand for Matt and Ross Duffer, the creators of \u201cStranger Things\u201d \u2014 which Levy brought&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":150921,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[146,85,46,20818,52092],"class_list":{"0":"post-150920","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-entertainment","8":"tag-entertainment","9":"tag-il","10":"tag-israel","11":"tag-shawn-levy","12":"tag-stranger-things"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/150920","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=150920"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/150920\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/150921"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=150920"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=150920"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=150920"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}