{"id":186907,"date":"2025-12-16T04:05:08","date_gmt":"2025-12-16T04:05:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/186907\/"},"modified":"2025-12-16T04:05:08","modified_gmt":"2025-12-16T04:05:08","slug":"carols-fateful-episode-7-choice-explained-by-writer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/186907\/","title":{"rendered":"Carol’s Fateful Episode 7 Choice Explained by Writer"},"content":{"rendered":"

\n\t[This story contains spoilers from Pluribus<\/a> season one, episode seven, \u201cThe Gap.\u201d]<\/p>\n

\n\tIn the harrowing series premiere <\/a>of Vince Gilligan<\/a>\u2019s Pluribus, you might have caught the name \u201cJenn\u201d being screamed 14 times during the laboratory outbreak of an extraterrestrial virus. Karan Soni\u2019s Dr. Deshpande futilely tried to save his doctor colleague, Jenn, after an infected mouse bit her exposed hand, kick-starting a most unusual apocalypse. The name inspiration behind Blair Beeken\u2019s donut-licking patient zero belongs to writer\/co-executive producer Jenn Carroll<\/a>, one of Gilligan\u2019s most trusted collaborators since Breaking Bad<\/a>.<\/p>\n

\n\tBetween post-production and the writers room, Carroll worked in a variety of assistant roles on Breaking Bad, until finishing the stretch run of the show as script coordinator. Then she began Better Call Saul<\/a> as Gilligan\u2019s official assistant, before stepping into a producorial role for the majority of the series, as well as the Breaking Bad sequel movie, El Camino. She eventually became an exec at Gilligan\u2019s production company, High Bridge, which allowed her to be among the first to read the introductory episodes of what would ultimately be called Pluribus. To sum up how she\u2019s described by her peers, if the Apple TV sci-fi series centers around a \u201cpsychic glue\u201d that binds the global population together, then Carroll is the glue that binds Gilligan\u2019s storytelling universe.<\/p>\n

\n\tWhen the Massachusetts native worked in the trenches of Breaking Bad\u2019s later seasons, she formed a dynamic duo<\/a> with another assistant to Gilligan and the writers, Gordon Smith<\/a>. From conducting scientific research to writing bonus scenes<\/a> for Blu-ray releases, they both gained invaluable experience en route to promotions on Saul. Smith made his TV writing debut on Saul season one\u2019s sixth episode, \u201cFive-O,\u201d receiving an Emmy nomination in the process. Directed by Adam Bernstein, the standout episode of the first season shed light on Mike Ehrmantraut\u2019s (Jonathan Banks) dark past in Philadelphia.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tAfter Gilligan shared his top-secret<\/a> project with Carroll, she made it clear that she didn\u2019t just want to be his boots-on-the-ground producer; she wanted to be one of his writers, too. Today\u2019s release of Pluribus\u2018 seventh episode, \u201cThe Gap,\u201d marks her first foray into episodic television writing and, fittingly enough, the powerful hour \u2014 and my personal favorite thus far \u2014 was also helmed by \u201cFive-O\u201d director Adam Bernstein.<\/p>\n

\n\t\u201cI read the first draft of the first two episodes, and I called Vince to say, \u2018I\u2019ll produce this show, but I also want to be in the [writers] room. This could be my favorite show that\u2019s ever been,\u2019\u201d Carroll tells The Hollywood Reporter.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tWhile Smith and Bernstein shot Albuquerque for Philadelphia, Carroll and Bernstein got to turn Spain\u2019s Canary Islands into the western coast of South America, chronicling Manousos \u201cManny\u201d Oviedo\u2019s journey to meet Carol Sturka (Rhea Seehorn) in New Mexico. The episode is meant to compare and contrast the only immune characters (\u201cOld-Schoolers\u201d) who want to save the world from the hive mind<\/a>. Carroll\u2019s episode proceeds to test them both in markedly different ways, as Manny is battling the elements of South America, refusing help from the Joined at every turn.<\/p>\n

\n\t\u201cThey\u2019re dealing with different struggles right now,\u201d Carroll says. \u201cCarol\u2019s struggle during her isolation is such a mental and psychological one, while Manny\u2019s is a physical one.\u201d<\/p>\n

\n\tAfter her overnight stay in Las Vegas, Carol is relieved she seemingly no longer has to worry about being turned into one of the Joined. So she pumps the brakes on the world-saving business for some extended R&R, including traditional and untraditional golf, a dip in the Jemez hot springs, an elegant rooftop dinner, a Georgia O\u2019Keeffe museum heist and some alcohol-fueled firework shows. Despite the fun and games, Carroll insists that Carol hasn\u2019t given up her quest to save the world now that she appears to be free of being turned into one of the Joined. \u201cThis episode doesn\u2019t make her less of a hero, but it does turn the burner down a little bit,\u201d Carroll says.<\/p>\n

\n\tCarol\u2019s firework shows culminate in one of the series\u2019 most unsettling moments so far. It\u2019s been evident throughout her five weeks off that her loneliness and grief are still bubbling at the surface. And when one impending firework falls over in her direction, she not only repositions herself in front of the cannon-like tube, but she closes her eyes, resigned to whatever outcome it yields. Fortunately, the firework sped right past her into a neighboring home.<\/p>\n

\n\t\u201cIt\u2019s, \u2018I don\u2019t really care one way or the other.\u2019 Forty days is a long time to be truly by yourself. I don\u2019t think we can even imagine this level of solitary confinement until having gone through it,\u201d Carroll says. \u201cSo Carol is definitely at a breaking point there, and we feel a real shift in her behavior.\u201d<\/p>\n

\n\tBelow in the conversation with THR, the two-time Emmy nominee also discusses the real purpose behind revisiting some familiar locations to Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul fans.\u00a0<\/p>\n

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\n\tAcross Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, El Camino and now Pluribus, you\u2019ve pretty much worked every job there is to work for Vince Gilligan. You\u2019ve been his shadow brain for 15 years. Now, with Vince\u2019s longtime producer Melissa Bernstein<\/a> off riding dragons, I figured you\u2019d step right into her shoes, but I didn\u2019t expect you to join the writers\u2019 room on top of producing. How did this dual role come to be?<\/p>\n

\n\tAdmittedly, I was hopeful Melissa was going to join us. Melissa has been my mentor for a long time, and while I am very happy for her at HBO, we, of course, really wanted to keep working with her on this one. I was a little nervous when we didn\u2019t end up having her as an EP, but Trina Siopy, Diane Mercer and I did the best we could to take different parts of what Melissa did so well on Saul and Breaking Bad and add them into our producing jobs. Luckily, we could also call her whenever we needed advice. We did get her back as a director [for episode eight] so she couldn\u2019t get too far out of the family.<\/p>\n

\n\tI was post-PA [as of Breaking Bad season four] and moved into the writers\u2019 room [as a script coordinator\/writers\u2019 PA], and then I became Vince\u2019s assistant and later his development executive [at High Bridge Productions]. I had also been a producer on Saul. So I\u2019m always looking for a new challenge and asking myself, \u201cHow do I build on what I\u2019ve done so far? What else can I learn here? What\u2019s a way to stay in the family and keep growing?\u201d Vince is so supportive of that. He\u2019s been an incredible boss and creative partner for so long.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tI was one of the first people to read the script [for what would later be called Pluribus]. I read the first draft of the first two episodes, and I called Vince to say, \u201cI love this show. I will move to Albuquerque for as long as you want. I\u2019ll produce this show, but I also want to be in the [writers\u2019] room. This could be my favorite show that\u2019s ever been.\u201d Once again, he was really supportive.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tVince and I, along with Gordon [Smith] and Melissa, had worked together on a lot of ancillary writing projects for Breaking Bad: webisodes, comic books, [Blu-ray bonus scenes]. I\u2019d worked with Sony\u2019s development team as a writer on projects. I\u2019d ghostwritten other stuff for the universe before, so Vince knew that my enthusiasm was going to outweigh any lack of experience in the writers\u2019 room.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tFrom a scheduling point of view, Vince wanted to break up the show. He wanted to do the writers\u2019 room, and then move to Albuquerque to focus on production and post. That\u2019s the benefit of time. That\u2019s what Apple promised us when we started working together. And I figured, \u201cI\u2019ll just be wherever Vince is. If he\u2019s in the writers\u2019 room, I\u2019ll be in the writer\u2019s room. If he\u2019s on set, I\u2019ll be there too. Hopefully, it won\u2019t be taking on too much, being both a writer and a non-writing producer on the show.\u201d So it\u2019s been a challenge, but a really fun one.<\/p>\n

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\t\t\t\t\tPluribus co-EP Jenn Carroll and EP Gordon Smith at AMC Networks\u2019 Emmy Brunch Photocall in September 2022.<\/p>\n

\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tJon Kopaloff\/Getty Images<\/p>\n

\n\tYour episodic debut as a TV writer is a special episode, and it\u2019s directed by none other than Adam Bernstein. This is not the first time he\u2019s directed a special episode by a first-timer. He directed Gordon Smith\u2019s Emmy-nominated debut on Saul. Whose idea was it to dust off the \u201cFive-O\u201d playbook from Saul?<\/p>\n

\n\tI think it\u2019s the scope of the episode more than the first time writer of it. Adam would work well with every writer on our staff because he\u2019s so talented, confident, experienced and thoughtful. He\u2019s known Vince forever. He doesn\u2019t get in his own way. He\u2019s got such a great mind for editorial that any writer would be lucky to work with him. But if we had a first-time director, I would certainly hope to pair them with a more experienced writer like Gordon or Alison [Tatlock].\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tWe had already broken most of the season by the time we got into booking the directors after the strike. We knew Vince was going to direct the first couple when we were starting to get our schedule together, and one of my jobs as a non-writing producer, along with Diane and Trina and Jeff [Frost], is figuring out who\u2019s going to be directing the other episodes and where they slot into the schedule.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tWe knew how vast this episode was going to be and how we were going to shoot half of it in Spain and half of it in Albuquerque. So the one thing Vince said to me was: \u201cI\u2019d really love for this one to be directed by one of our big guns \u2014\u00a0an Adam Bernstein, Michelle MacLaren type.\u201d Given how visual and emotional it is, we wanted to find the right director who would already have a shorthand for how Vince\u2019s shows operate, so Adam was just such an incredible creative partner. I was very thrilled to get to partner with him as both a producer and writer of the episode.<\/p>\n

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\t\t\t\t\tRhea Seehorn\u2019s Carol Sturka goes golfing in Pluribus\u2018 \u201cThe Gap.\u201d<\/p>\n

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\n\tCarol has abandoned her world-saving quest now that she feels safe from a belated Joining, and that\u2019s disappointing considering she called out the rest of the Old-Schoolers for being traitors to the human race. Was she only ever concerned for herself?<\/p>\n

\n\tWell, she goes through quite a journey in the first six episodes. She\u2019s been burning the candle at both ends in trying to save the world and grieving the loss of her wife. There\u2019s a lot going on, and then she finds out they need her stem cells to change her, something she doesn\u2019t want. So we talked about how this episode doesn\u2019t make her less of a hero, but it does turn the burner down a little bit.<\/p>\n

\n\tShe\u2019s just found out that no one in the world wants to be around her. She\u2019s totally in the right, in my mind, but none of the Others want to be around her. None of the other Old-Schoolers want to be around her. They\u2019re having Zoom meetings specifically without her. So not a single human on the planet wants to be in direct contact with her or be within miles of her, and that needs to mean something.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tSo she goes into this episode with a lot of messy layers to her heroism. I don\u2019t know that she even knows how she\u2019s feeling as she leaves Vegas. But she\u2019s determined to have a good time in this episode. She\u2019s determined to make herself happy by herself. She is combating this feeling of loneliness that she\u2019s been pushing down, and she\u2019s got this level of almost subconscious rage. Adam and I talked to Rhea and to Vince about how she may not even recognize how angry she is, and we may not even feel it till she calls them back at the gas station to yitz them about the temperature of the Gatorade. [Writer\u2019s Note: I\u2019ve been telling myself that this scene is an elaboration of Jesse Pinkman\u2019s famous Breaking Bad line, \u201cYo, Gatorade me, bitch.\u201d]<\/p>\n

\n\tIt\u2019s hard to say [how she\u2019s feeling] as we head into several scenes of Carol Sturka\u2019s \u201cbig day off.\u201d She goes to the hot springs, and she golfs alone on an overgrown course. She\u2019s determined to be happy. Is she doing it for herself? Or is she doing it because those voyeuristic Others are watching her with a drone? She doesn\u2019t want anybody to know they\u2019ve gotten [under her skin]. So we talked about how it\u2019s a whole stew of what\u2019s going on in her head now that the temperature has been turned down on them turning her at any second.<\/p>\n

\n\tCarol attends a lonely dinner at the rooftop restaurant of Hotel Chaco. This is the same location where Lydia Rodarte-Quayle aura-farmed in her Louboutins on 402 of Better Call Saul. How did you land back there?<\/p>\n

\n\tIt\u2019s just a really nice hotel with a beautiful rooftop view. Albuquerque has changed a lot over the more than a decade that I\u2019ve been going out there. And as somebody who doesn\u2019t live in Albuquerque full-time \u2014\u00a0and certainly didn\u2019t rent houses there when I first started going out there \u2014 I\u2019ve stayed in almost every hotel you can stay. I\u2019ve also stayed in almost every part of town over the years while assisting Vince, from uptown to downtown to the mountains. And one of the biggest changes in Albuquerque is the rise of nicer and nicer boutique hotels. It used to only be The Andaluz and now there\u2019s many options. So The Chaco is one where even I have stayed, and I was very familiar with it.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tWe originally talked about some other rooftop views closer to the mountains. There are many restaurants in Albuquerque that have incredible views, but The Chaco was very amenable to filming. Ultimately, we loved the idea of being able to take the scene outside onto that beautiful deck and just see all around Carol. There\u2019s no moving cars or anything else. There\u2019s just beautiful lights flickering all around her in this very romantic scene.<\/p>\n

\n\tAs you mentioned, you also went back to the Albuquerque Country Club, which is where Saul Goodman was discriminated against in Better Call Saul\u2019s 601. Kim (Seehorn) met Kevin and Paige there in season five as well. Was this location also less about fans pointing at the screen and more about needing a golf course, especially one you have a good relationship with already?\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tExactly. In my memory, we went to a few golf courses all over town with great views, but this is an episode that was tricky to schedule. We shot a lot of the episode in Jemez up on the Pueblo [that\u2019s 50 miles northwest of ABQ], but there\u2019s always a cost in travel time. So that particular country club is very film-friendly. They let us bring this bison onto the course, and they gave us weeks to allow part of the course in between two holes to get overgrown for our story purposes. Nobody mowed the lawn. So they were just so friendly, and they were very conveniently located in town so that we could maximize our days.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tTo that point, Adam has a very producorial brain. We were scouting in the jungle on La Palma in Spain\u2019s Canary Islands, and [designer] Denise [Pizzini], Adam and [DP] Paul [Donachie] and I trudged through the jungle with our location scout. Paul and I said, \u201cAdam, around this corner and up this hill, the leaves are even bigger in the jungle. This is amazing.\u201d And there was a moment where he said, \u201cGuys, yes, I agree that it\u2019s beautiful. But you know as well as I do, if we shoot someplace that doesn\u2019t require a two-mile hike through the jungle, I\u2019m going to get 10 more shots, and the episode is going to be better.\u201d And we were like, \u201cOf course!\u201d<\/p>\n

\n\tCarol takes a trip to the same Georgia O\u2019Keeffe museum in Sante Fe that Jesse (Aaron Paul) and Jane (Krysten Ritter) went to on Breaking Bad season three. [Writer\u2019s Note: Both were set builds.] Based on my questions about the other familiar locations, I have to assume this choice wasn\u2019t meant to draw a line between Jane and Carol. Did O\u2019Keeffe\u2019s life and work, particularly \u201cBella Donna,\u201d just align rather well with Carol\u2019s story?<\/p>\n

\n\tYeah, it\u2019s not a line between Jane and Carol. But there\u2019s connective tissue in that Georgia O\u2019Keeffe feels like an innately Southwestern reference, and we like to make things specific to New Mexico. For a lot of reasons, Georgia O\u2019Keeffe felt like the right choice for Carol in particular. But maybe it would have been Frida Kahlo if the show was set in Mexico, for example.<\/p>\n

\n\tCarol drinks and lights heavy-duty fireworks on her cul-de-sac out of sheer boredom. When one of them falls in her direction, she has enough time to position herself in front of it and let the chips fall where they may. Do you consider this to be a suicide attempt?\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tIs it more like ideation? It\u2019s, \u201cI don\u2019t really care one way or the other.\u201d How broken is she in that moment? 40 days is a long time to be truly by yourself. If you lived alone during the pandemic, there might be 14 other people in your building who are also living alone, and you can still see some people on the street. But with this, there is nobody in town, and there is no sense of when this period is going to end for her. I don\u2019t think we can even imagine this level of solitary confinement until having gone through it.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tCarol is definitely at a breaking point there, and we feel a real shift in her behavior. But it\u2019s not like she is actively putting herself in harm\u2019s way. Her rebellion has just gotten to this point. Her rebellion, from the beginning to the end of it, goes from small to quite large. So we want the audience to wonder, \u201cDoes she care what happens in this moment? Or is she just going to let fate decide?\u201d<\/p>\n

\n\tRhea was talking to Bob Odenkirk in Interview Magazine<\/a>, and she said, \u201cMy character was almost suicidal to a degree that Vince and I realized we had to pull it back a bit.\u201d Was this a scene that was pulled back somewhat, \u00e0 la Jane\u2019s death on Breaking Bad?<\/p>\n

\n\tIt didn\u2019t go through that journey. This pretty much stayed the same from the point that we broke it all the way through to the end. If anything, it might\u2019ve moved in the other direction. There was [once] a sense that the firework was wobbling to where it\u2019s looking at her and then it\u2019s not. But ultimately, because of the physics of the space, the firework is looking straight at her, and she\u2019s looking down the barrel of it. So I wouldn\u2019t say it was quite as much of a change, but there\u2019s still more episodes left in the show.\u00a0<\/p>\n

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\t\t\t\t\tSeehorn\u2019s Carol Sturka opposite Karolina Wydra\u2019s Zosia in Pluribus\u2018 \u201cThe Gap.\u201d<\/p>\n

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\n\tShe sends a message for Zosia (Karolina Wydra) to come back, ending the standoff. The Joined played it perfectly. They knew that her loneliness would become too great. Do you imagine that the greatest psychologists within their hive mind generated this tactic?<\/p>\n

\n\tI think it\u2019s really hard to put yourself into the mindset of the hive mind. We\u2019re living in a 2D world, and that is almost like a three-dimensional world. But when people watch the episode, I hope they feel like there\u2019s a change of heart, if that\u2019s what the Others were looking for. I hope that the viewers can see that there\u2019s a difference between the rebellions of act one and act four. She\u2019s no longer trying to drown out the silence in the same way, first with the singing and then escalating it to the boombox. Hopefully, you feel that there\u2019s a change in her because she is still our hero.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tI initially thought that Manousos\/Manny and Carol were two sides of the same coin, but he\u2019s far more hardcore when it comes to his aversion to the Joined. Plus, she commits grand theft, while he leaves money and IOUs for whatever he takes. He has an unwavering code of honor. And the fact that he was willing to set fire to his treasured car rather than let the Joined put their hands on it, that\u2019s some rousing conviction. How would you compare and contrast these characters?<\/p>\n

\n\tThey both want to save the world, but how are they both interacting with the world? How are they dealing with isolation? How does Carol get gas versus how does Manny do it? Carol pulls up to any old gas station and calls the Others to say, \u201cHey, turn on pump one.\u201d But Manousos is siphoning cars and leaving his personal cash everywhere. And that\u2019s a form of rebellion that is just as ridiculous as Carol\u2019s form of rebellion. He\u2019s refusing to acknowledge that the world is different, but like you said, his integrity and determination are so rigid. So they\u2019re both heroic, but they\u2019re dealing with different struggles right now. Carol\u2019s struggle during her isolation is such a mental and psychological one, while Manny\u2019s is a physical one.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tWe hoped that you would see that heroism as he went on his journey, which has two parts. There\u2019s the driving montage to the Hermanos Gutierrez song [\u201cEsperanza\u201d] that\u2019s heroic, determined, hopeful and vast, as he\u2019s trying to get all the way to Carol. Then there\u2019s the second part in the jungle after the car burning scene, which we likened almost to Hern\u00e1n Cort\u00e9s burning the ships as he entered Mexico City [in 1519]. It\u2019s a very different vibe, but the point is, he\u2019s not going back. He is so determined to get to Carol, but the jungle is a physical limitation that he cannot overcome.<\/p>\n

\n\t[Carlos-Manuel] Vesga is so wonderful, and I cannot wait for people to see him in this episode. His character is studious. He is an autodidact. He actually reminds me a lot of my father in a certain way. He\u2019s thoughtful. He keeps his own counsel, and while he is an athletic guy, he seems like the kind of guy who takes long walks around Asunci\u00f3n. He does not seem like a guy who goes hiking and rock climbing. When he enters the jungle, you want to think, \u201cOh no, this is going to break him.\u201d The episode is ultimately about what breaks Carol psychologically and what breaks Manousos physically, because they both hit a certain limit.<\/p>\n

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\t\t\t\t\tCarlos-Manuel Vesga\u2019s Manousos trudges through the South American jungle in Pluribus\u2018 \u201cThe Gap.\u201d<\/p>\n

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\n\tAnd the quieter moments served both journeys so well.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tWe warned [composer] Dave Porter and [music supervisor] Thomas Golubi\u0107 during our music spotting session. The only score in the episode is Manousos [collapsing] in the jungle. We needed it to mean something when you\u2019re just hearing Manousos repeat his mantra over and over as he\u2019s trudging through this impossible situation. We said, \u201cThis is a weird episode. Dave, you only have one spot in his episode. We\u2019re so sorry, but when we get to this piece, we need it to feel like Manousos is on death\u2019s door.\u201d And he really delivered on that and took it to the next level.<\/p>\n

\n\tThomas had already collaborated with us on all of the songs for Carol to sing [a cappella]. We had to clear them early because she sings them to camera, and we couldn\u2019t change them in post. We also knew Thomas was going to figure out the perfect song for the first montage [of Manny driving up the coast], but then we needed it to get real quiet.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tBesides writer and co-executive producer, you have one more unique title on this show. You\u2019re the name inspiration behind the virus\u2019 patient zero [Blair Beeken\u2019s donut-licking doctor, Jenn].\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\tYes, I have a lot of jobs on this show, but being the name of patient zero was one that truly delighted me \u2014\u00a0until we got to production. (Laughs.) I was sitting there with the headphones on, and we were shooting that [lab infection] scene all day. Karan Sani, who was so good as Dr. Deshpande, was screaming my name over and over and over for hours. It felt like its own delightful psychological torture to the point where I started to disassociate. We had a good time.<\/p>\n

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Pluribus is currently streaming new episodes every Friday on Apple TV. Read THR\u2019s previous interviews with creator Vince Gilligan<\/a>, EP Gordon Smith<\/a> and stars Rhea Seehorn<\/a>, Karolina Wydra<\/a> and Samba Schutte<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"[This story contains spoilers from Pluribus season one, episode seven, \u201cThe Gap.\u201d] In the harrowing series premiere of…\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":186908,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[29],"tags":[75229,74469,146,86040,85,46,108032,68266,411,75230],"class_list":{"0":"post-186907","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-tv","8":"tag-better-call-saul","9":"tag-breaking-bad","10":"tag-entertainment","11":"tag-gordon-smith","12":"tag-il","13":"tag-israel","14":"tag-jenn-carroll","15":"tag-pluribus","16":"tag-tv","17":"tag-vince-gilligan"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/186907","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=186907"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/186907\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/186908"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=186907"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=186907"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=186907"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}