{"id":224281,"date":"2026-01-06T22:49:14","date_gmt":"2026-01-06T22:49:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/224281\/"},"modified":"2026-01-06T22:49:14","modified_gmt":"2026-01-06T22:49:14","slug":"luisa-neubauer-climate-change-activist-ecology-shouldnt-be-a-punitive-force-but-a-joyful-and-liberating-one-climate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/224281\/","title":{"rendered":"Luisa Neubauer, climate change activist: \u2018Ecology shouldn\u2019t be a punitive force, but a joyful and liberating one\u2019 | Climate"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"\">Luisa Neubauer (Hamburg, 29 years old), the public face of Fridays for Future in Germany \u2014 the youth movement born out of the school strikes against the climate crisis \u2014 was nicknamed \u201cthe German <a href=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/society\/2022-10-25\/greta-thunberg-activism-filled-my-life-with-meaning.html\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/society\/2022-10-25\/greta-thunberg-activism-filled-my-life-with-meaning.html\">Greta Thunberg<\/a>\u201d for years. \u201cAt first, it helped people understand what I was doing. Now I\u2019m a bit tired of the comparison. We\u2019re very different,\u201d she says in a caf\u00e9 on the street where she lives in Berlin\u2019s Kreuzberg district. Aware of the decline of environmental issues on the political agenda, Neubauer has just launched a new phase of mobilization, with street protests and more impactful projects. In a few days, she will travel to Antarctica with a scientific team. From there, she will connect with schools so that children can see the <a href=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/climate\/2024-03-27\/polar-ice-melt-caused-by-climate-change-is-slowing-the-earths-rotation.html\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/climate\/2024-03-27\/polar-ice-melt-caused-by-climate-change-is-slowing-the-earths-rotation.html\">melting ice<\/a> in real time. The mission: to transform a distant phenomenon into undeniable evidence, capable of shaking consciences more than any report full of statistics.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Question. December in Berlin and it\u2019s 13\u00b0C, about 10 degrees warmer than usual. Is this the new normal?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Answer. I only see new states of abnormality. We\u2019ve become accustomed to conditions that were once unusual, and we don\u2019t even notice them anymore. It\u2019s very serious, although we shouldn\u2019t feel guilty for not freezing to death in December. That\u2019s not the battle.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. Unlike other activists, you don\u2019t view climate action as asceticism.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. For me, ecology shouldn\u2019t be a punitive force, but a joyful and liberating one. I\u2019ve never understood my activism as a punishment, but as a way to reconcile myself with what I see and feel. It\u2019s a matter of respect for the planet and those who live and will live on it, not a penance\u2026<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. Even so, your detractors call you a moralist, an extremist, or even a fundamentalist. Does that bother you?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. It makes me smile that there are people who could dedicate their energy to something positive and instead choose to invest it in insulting young women who are concerned about the state of the planet. What I find less amusing is that the hatred and violence are real: I\u2019ve needed security at protests for years. Even so, I try not to take it personally. It\u2019s more a symptom of the fear of change, the <a href=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/international\/2025-11-01\/global-anti-feminist-backlash-gains-ground-after-decades-of-equality-gains.html\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/international\/2025-11-01\/global-anti-feminist-backlash-gains-ground-after-decades-of-equality-gains.html\">erosion of patriarchy<\/a>, and the social tensions affecting our continent.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. Why has the climate fallen onto the back burner on the political agenda?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. Actually, it\u2019s not even in the background: it\u2019s been pushed much further back. When supposedly urgent issues like migration, the economy, or security arise, climate is always the first thing to be sidelined. It\u2019s a convenient solution in the short term, but disconnected from reality: without a stable planet, no other political project can be sustained in the long run.<\/p>\n<p>It makes me smile that there are people who could dedicate their energy to something positive and instead choose to invest it in insulting young women who are concerned about the state of the planet<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. Why do you think Fridays for Future has lost momentum after <a href=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/elpais\/2019\/03\/15\/inenglish\/1552649054_637919.html\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/elpais\/2019\/03\/15\/inenglish\/1552649054_637919.html\">electrifying all of Europe<\/a> in the years leading up to the pandemic?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. We created a wave that changed the conversation and made people start taking the climate seriously, because it was young people who were demanding it. But a pandemic, the return of war in Europe, or a major economic crisis can wear down any momentum. I always knew that wave wouldn\u2019t last forever. We have to find other ways to keep it going.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. For example, large street protests have been revived across Germany.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. We never stopped protesting: we\u2019ve been doing it for seven years. The difference is that now we want to be much more concrete: instead of demanding that governments do more in the abstract, we point to specific projects, like a new gas pipeline, and take the protest to where the decisions are made. This localized pressure is producing results.<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"Luisa Neubauer, center, at a demonstration at COP28 in Baku, Azerbaijan, in November 2024.\" decoding=\"auto\" class=\"_re lazyload a_m-h\" height=\"276\"  width=\"414\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/DMVY5Z7Y5VFEDCJ4JNCEZA7AHY.jpg\" loading=\"lazy\"\/>Luisa Neubauer, center, at a demonstration at COP28 in Baku, Azerbaijan, in November 2024.Peter Dejong (AP)<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. Climate crisis skeptics no longer deny that there is a problem, but they attack solutions in the name of social inequality: the poorest cannot afford a hybrid vehicle.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. We have gone through several phases: first they denied the crisis, then its severity, and now they deny the proposed solutions. It was said that phasing out coal would leave us without electricity, that wind power would ruin our landscapes, even that heat pumps would move us away from fire, supposedly the essence of human civilization. Today, what is denied is that all of this is a priority: the problem is acknowledged, but postponed indefinitely. This is a mistake.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. They say that climate measures are unfair to the less fortunate. Do you admit that some are?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. It\u2019s an excuse. The <a href=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/climate\/2025-11-11\/progressives-should-use-cop30-to-show-democracies-can-deliver-prosperity-and-save-the-planet.html\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/climate\/2025-11-11\/progressives-should-use-cop30-to-show-democracies-can-deliver-prosperity-and-save-the-planet.html\">Paris Agreement<\/a> established that those who pollute the most and have the greatest capacity to act must do more. It\u2019s not up to the movement to demand that a struggling single mother buy organic lentils, but governments must fulfill their commitments. And they must do so with fair policies, not with subsidies that end up benefiting the wealthiest, as sometimes happens.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. Why are scientific data not enough to change mindsets?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. Because feelings outweigh facts. Science is the foundation, but a graph or a figure will never move anyone on its own. Always guided by science, we must also consider what emotions we want to evoke. Only then will people be mobilized. The worst thing is believing that nothing can be done. Everyone can do something, even if they don\u2019t see the immediate effect. My daily motivation is to prove it.<\/p>\n<p>Science is the foundation, but a graph or a figure will never move anyone on its own. Always guided by science, we must also consider what emotions we want to evoke<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. In 2023, your organization distanced itself from the international Fridays for Future movement following the war in Gaza. Do you still maintain that position?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. To a large extent, things have changed. After [the <a href=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/international\/2023-10-12\/elite-hamas-unit-that-led-massacre-hit-as-israel-prepares-gaza-invasion.html\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/international\/2023-10-12\/elite-hamas-unit-that-led-massacre-hit-as-israel-prepares-gaza-invasion.html\">Hamas-led attacks<\/a> of] October 7, it was essential to express empathy with the victims and make it clear that there is no possible justification for violence. In Germany, because of how our historical memory works, if something like that was perceived as being minimized, it became impossible to continue working. That\u2019s why we adopted that stance. Since then, we have denounced the genocide and demanded an end to arms exports to Israel, even when everyone advised against it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. You have said your first inspiration was your grandmother, the activist Dagmar Reemtsma.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. She campaigned against nuclear energy and participated in pacifist and feminist movements. When I was a child, she took me to events where men almost always spoke. She would stand up, challenge them, and dismantle their arguments with great conviction. She taught me not to simply repeat the obvious, but to point out the absurdity of opposing arguments. That always works.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. What was your political awakening?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. In third grade, they wanted to close my school in Hamburg. My parents and other neighbors organized a protest and we blocked a main street. There were so many of us children that no cars could get through. In the end, they didn\u2019t close it. I was impressed by the power of collective action.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. You even turned down a seat on the Siemens board. How was that offer presented to you?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. Siemens was supplying electrical equipment to a huge coal mine in Australia. We organized a campaign, and I wrote an open letter to its CEO. His response was to offer me a seat on the supervisory board. I declined, of course, because it made no sense. The sad thing is that the media attention focused on whether or not I would accept that position, and not on the project we were denouncing\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Institutional politics, for the moment, seems like a rather uninspiring space to me. But I\u2019m not closing that door<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. You\u2019ve also been criticized for flying. Can you defend the planet and still take a plane?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. I no longer fly within Europe, and I only fly abroad in exceptional cases, for example, for climate conferences. But there\u2019s a catch there: this demand for individual purity as a condition for having the right to speak. Not being pure doesn\u2019t make you any less legitimate. It\u2019s a very effective way to discredit and demobilize us.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. You were ridiculed for attending the Berlinale with an anti-far-right slogan printed on your dress. Do you regret it?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. No, it was one of the most effective actions of the year. In January, for the first time since <a href=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/international\/2025-05-08\/80th-anniversary-of-the-end-of-world-war-ii-how-does-a-country-fall-into-the-abyss-of-hatred.html\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/english.elpais.com\/international\/2025-05-08\/80th-anniversary-of-the-end-of-world-war-ii-how-does-a-country-fall-into-the-abyss-of-hatred.html\">World War II<\/a>, the German government sought the support of the far right for a parliamentary vote. The dress was a way of visually denouncing this broken taboo. Sometimes, an image achieves much more than a speech full of parliamentary jargon.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Q. You are a member of the German Greens and tipped to have a great political future. Do you see yourself as a minister or even as a second female chancellor?<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">A. Institutional politics, for the moment, seems like a rather uninspiring space to me. But I\u2019m not closing that door: I\u2019ll be 30 in a few months, and like any other young person, I wonder where life will take me. Even so, I\u2019ve seen how the power of the people in the streets can be greater than that of any parliament. As long as I feel I can be of use there, I\u2019ll keep fighting in that trench.<\/p>\n<p class=\"\">Sign up for <a href=\"https:\/\/plus.elpais.com\/newsletters\/lnp\/1\/333\/?lang=en\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/plus.elpais.com\/newsletters\/lnp\/1\/333\/?lang=en\" target=\"_blank\">our weekly newsletter<\/a> to get more English-language news coverage from EL PA\u00cdS USA Edition<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Luisa Neubauer (Hamburg, 29 years old), the public face of Fridays for Future in Germany \u2014 the youth&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":224282,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[13299,3063,85,46,43,46557],"class_list":{"0":"post-224281","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-israel","8":"tag-berlin","9":"tag-greta-thunberg","10":"tag-il","11":"tag-israel","12":"tag-news","13":"tag-siemens"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/224281","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=224281"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/224281\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/224282"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=224281"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=224281"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=224281"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}