{"id":344537,"date":"2026-03-17T22:37:17","date_gmt":"2026-03-17T22:37:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/344537\/"},"modified":"2026-03-17T22:37:17","modified_gmt":"2026-03-17T22:37:17","slug":"robotic-surgery-ensures-kidney-cancer-patient-can-continue-with-his-cycling-tour-of-croatia","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/344537\/","title":{"rendered":"Robotic surgery ensures kidney cancer patient can continue with his cycling tour of Croatia"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In the summer of 2025, Dave Lucas was out biking with friends in the Skagit Valley when he hit a seam\u00a0in\u00a0the pavement at 20 miles an hour. He landed on the pavement with broken ribs, deflated lungs, a\u00a0separated\u00a0shoulder\u00a0and a\u00a0concussion, among other injuries.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>What he\u00a0didn\u2019t\u00a0expect was a diagnosis of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fredhutch.org\/en\/diseases\/kidney-cancer.html\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">kidney cancer<\/a>.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>A CT scan after the accident revealed a tumor on his right kidney. Within days, he was consulting with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fredhutch.org\/en\/provider-directory\/yaw-a-nyame.html\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Yaw Nyame, MD, MS<\/a>,\u00a0a kidney cancer specialist at Fred Hutch Cancer Center.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>One of the first things Lucas told Nyame was that he and his wife had planned a bike trip around Croatia that was fast approaching.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s almost as if the stars aligned because before I met him, I thought to myself,\u00a0this might be one of those cases\u00a0that&#8217;s\u00a0amenable to a robotic approach, something that\u00a0we\u2019d\u00a0been planning for,\u201d said Nyame. &#8220;Dave\u00a0seemed to be\u00a0the perfect patient with regard to motivation to be willing to have us try that approach so that he could have that benefit of a faster recovery.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In this episode,\u00a0Nyame and Lucas\u00a0discuss\u00a0the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fredhutch.org\/en\/patient-care\/treatments\/surgical-oncology.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">robotic surgical approach<\/a> that enabled Lucas to carry on with his vacation plans and the value of\u00a0customizing cancer care to meet a\u00a0patient\u2019s goals.\u00a0The full transcript is below.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Key takeaways:<\/p>\n<p>Dave Lucas learned he had kidney cancer after an unrelated CT scan revealed a tumor.Lucas came to Fred Hutch from his home in Anacortes, Wash. to see Yaw Nyame, MD, MS, in the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fredhutch.org\/en\/diseases\/kidney-cancer.html\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Multispecialty Kidney Cancer Clinic<\/a>.\u00a0The tumor in his right kidney extended into the vena cava, the largest vein in the body.It was advanced cancer but the tumor was not that large, making Lucas a candidate for an innovative approach.Nyame removed the tumor using minimally invasive robotic techniques that allowed for quicker recovery.<\/p>\n<p>Listen to the audio interview<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/sites.libsyn.com\/591875\/from-diagnosis-to-biking-in-croatia-a-kidney-cancer-patients-journey\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Libsyn<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/5bvL0PXrpAEx4SKaCe7AJE?si=SApLk7CjSwmGirTL6im7Uw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Spotify<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/from-diagnosis-to-biking-in-croatia-a-kidney-cancer\/id1847510200?i=1000752935205\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/music.amazon.com\/podcasts\/dcb43859-491a-46d6-9581-cc35d9966ac3\/episodes\/7dda9382-422e-478e-8a13-ef8889ad1009\/from-bench-to-bedside-and-beyond-from-diagnosis-to-biking-in-croatia-a-kidney-cancer-patient%27s-journey\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Amazon Podcasts<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Tune in for more episodes of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/sites.libsyn.com\/591875\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">From Bench to Bedside and Beyond<\/a>. And if\u00a0you\u2019re\u00a0interested in being a guest, please reach out to\u00a0<a href=\"mailto:brochman@fredhutch.org\">brochman@fredhutch.org.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>TRANSCRIPT:<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (00:05.319)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nWelcome\u00a0to From\u00a0Bench to Bedside and Beyond. Today\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0chatting with Dave Lucas and his doctor Yaw Nyame, a kidney cancer specialist at Fred Hutch Cancer Center who shares Dave\u2019s passion for being active and was with Dave in spirit on his recent bike trek through Croatia.\u00a0So\u00a0I want to do something a bit unusual and start from the end rather than the beginning because I love this story\u00a0that was shared.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Dr. Nyame, you said you give all your patients your cell phone number for emergencies.\u00a0So\u00a0Dave had your cell and he used it, fortunately not for an emergency, but for something even better, to text\u00a0you\u00a0photos from his trip in Croatia.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Yaw Nyame (00:53.831)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nHe did,\u00a0yeah.\u00a0We had an agreement that at four weeks Dave could ride. And so right around three and a half weeks, I got the picture from\u00a0Croatia\u00a0and I thought, you know, he must be doing\u00a0pretty well\u00a0if\u00a0he\u2019s\u00a0up in the mountains riding.\u00a0So\u00a0it was a real treat to get what was a really beautiful picture on my phone.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (01:15.506)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nThat\u2019s\u00a0amazing. Okay, so now\u00a0let\u2019s\u00a0walk it\u00a0back a little bit. You saw Dave in the\u00a0Multispecialty\u00a0Kidney\u00a0Cancer\u00a0Clinic because he had a tumor in his kidney extending into his vena cava, which is the largest vein in the body. And that\u2019s\u00a0a pretty\u00a0advanced stage cancer. And you had told me that what really stood out to you is that unlike most tumors\u00a0that extend into the vena cava, his tumor in his kidney was not that large actually, which made you feel like he might be a candidate for something a little bit different than what you often do with kidney cancer patients.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Yaw Nyame (02:07.295)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nYeah, you know, one of the things\u00a0that I think we\u00a0pride ourselves on as a program is really customizing cancer care to the patient. And a lot of my patients will hear me say that we will support you in all the ways that you need to be supported, whether\u00a0that\u2019s\u00a0socially, emotionally, in addition to the clinical and therapeutic interventions that we provide.\u00a0You know, tumors that extend into the vena cava take all forms, shapes, and sizes.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>For our program, we tend to see really advanced cases. And so if it\u2019s complex enough, that often lends itself to a bigger approach, which means a big abdominal incision, which just takes a longer time to recover from but allows us to do these complicated surgeries in a slightly safer manner.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (03:04.851)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nOkay, so you had mentioned to me that we have this\u00a0really very\u00a0robust robotics program here at Fred Hutch, but you had not yet approached a tumor like Dave\u2019s robotically. What is the reason for that?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Yaw Nyame (03:22.345)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nYeah, we do take out some thromboses robotically that are extending into the vein that goes to the kidney. But once you start having\u00a0extension\u00a0of a tumor into the vena cava, there\u2019s, you know,\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0kind of, I always joke,\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0plumbers, right?\u00a0There\u2019s\u00a0just more water supplies that need to be shut off because this is\u00a0kind of a\u00a0main thoroughfare of blood flow. And\u00a0so\u00a0it just makes that turnoff-of-blood\u00a0process\u00a0more\u00a0complicated.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>So\u00a0if\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0not extending too far into the venous system of the kidney, if you will, then there are maneuvers we can do to get enough room that we can safely divide\u00a0using usually\u00a0a stapling device to remove that thrombus.\u00a0But once it gets into the vena cava, then we have to be able to essentially clamp three different points in the vena cava\u00a0off completely so that there is no blood flowing into our vena cava when we open it because we\u2019ve\u00a0got\u00a0to make an incision in it.<\/p>\n<p>And traditionally\u00a0we\u2019ve\u00a0done that with an open\u00a0approach,\u00a0and there are some advantages to open surgery especially if we need to do a lot of sewing or\u00a0fixing of\u00a0things. But\u00a0again,\u00a0I think\u00a0a strength\u00a0of our program\u00a0is\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0not a one-size-fits-all program.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Standing in\u00a0clinic\u00a0looking at Dave, he barely sat down. It was\u00a0clear\u00a0he was\u00a0very active. And one of the first things he really mentioned was that he and his wife had planned a bike trip that meant a lot to them.\u00a0It\u00a0was clear that being able to make it to that trip would be meaningful to him.\u00a0It\u2019s\u00a0almost as\u00a0if the stars\u00a0aligned.<\/p>\n<p>Because before I met him, I thought to myself,\u00a0this might be one of those cases\u00a0that\u2019s\u00a0amenable to a robotic approach, something that\u00a0we\u2019ve\u00a0been planning for. And Dave\u00a0seemed to be\u00a0the perfect patient with regards to motivation to be willing to have us try that approach so that he could have that benefit of a faster recovery.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (05:35.933)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nSo\u00a0I also remember that you\u00a0had mentioned\u00a0to me that a goal of yours is really to meet patients where they are. And then lo and behold, here is this very fit guy. And one of the things he mentions is this bike trip to Croatia that\u00a0he\u2019s\u00a0got coming up. So kind of when you say you felt like the stars aligned, it was like in that moment, you felt like his personal goals of surgery or\u00a0how\u00a0quickly he would want to recover from\u00a0a surgery, what he wants to achieve in the\u00a0very short\u00a0term,\u00a0would\u00a0actually align\u00a0with something much less invasive than what you historically had been doing with patients like him.<\/p>\n<p>Yaw Nyame (06:18.206)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nAnd again, you know one of the things that occurred with Dave is I was very upfront\u00a0\u2014\u00a0look Dave,\u00a0there are two ways we can do this:\u00a0One of them is the traditional way we approach this.\u00a0It\u2019s\u00a0an incision through your six-pack muscles.\u00a0It\u2019s\u00a0a longer recovery, but\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0the tried-and-true way that\u00a0we\u2019ve\u00a0approached this.\u00a0And\u00a0there\u2019s\u00a0a\u00a0robotic approach that I feel comfortable with for these reasons, that we would have a\u00a0really good\u00a0contingency plan\u00a0for\u00a0who\u00a0would be around especially during some of the critical portions of that surgery just to make sure we were safe.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I was very upfront that even though we hadn\u2019t done it, this is a program that does a lot of robotic surgery and I myself do over 100 robotic surgeries a year and they\u2019re all complex and\u00a0all the different things that I do for other approaches, whether it be bladder cancer or prostate cancer or even other types of kidney cancer,\u00a0are all applicable skills that would transfer over to his surgery.<\/p>\n<p>So\u00a0I think I\u00a0didn\u2019t\u00a0come into the\u00a0room\u00a0\u2014\u00a0and I hope Dave corroborates this\u00a0\u2014 I\u00a0didn\u2019t\u00a0come\u00a0into\u00a0the room and say,\u00a0you\u2019re\u00a0having\u00a0a robotic\u00a0surgery, but I wanted him to understand what the benefits of those two different approaches would be. And when he said, well,\u00a0I\u2019m\u00a0trying to get to Croatia, it seemed like, okay, well, I think\u00a0we&#8217;re\u00a0both seeing an opportunity to take this approach that I thought was safe.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Ultimately,\u00a0I\u00a0said this to Dave, and this is a line that I stole from one of my partners, John Gore, but our goals as a program are always the same. One is patient safety. We want to do your operation as safely as possible.\u00a0That&#8217;s\u00a01A. And\u00a01B, right below it, is to do a good cancer operation to\u00a0get him\u00a0cancer-free. And that has\u00a0remained\u00a0the goal since the time we met in that multidisciplinary clinic.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (08:09.213)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nOkay, well\u00a0that\u2019s\u00a0a perfect transition into getting your perspective, Dave.\u00a0So\u00a0we\u2019ve\u00a0already\u00a0established\u00a0that\u00a0you\u2019re\u00a0a very active guy. You\u2019re\u00a071, you\u2019re\u00a0from\u00a0Anacortes, and\u00a0you\u2019ve\u00a0also had a couple of\u00a0previous\u00a0brushes with cancer. And then you had this bike accident earlier this year in the springtime that set you on\u00a0a very different\u00a0course from what you were expecting.\u00a0So\u00a0I was hoping you could tell us a little bit about\u00a0that.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Dave Lucas (08:20.504)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nCorrect.\u00a0Yeah,\u00a0interesting\u00a0summer. In June,\u00a0I\u00a0was out bike riding with friends in the Skagit\u00a0Valley\u00a0and\u00a0I\u00a0hit a seam\u00a0in\u00a0the pavement at about 20 miles an hour and\u00a0I was\u00a0suddenly on the ground. I was\u00a0taken to Skagit Valley Hospital\u00a0with\u00a0broken ribs, deflated\u00a0lung, separated\u00a0shoulder, concussion, neck injury, you know,\u00a0the\u00a0usual stuff.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And the next morning,\u00a0I had a urologist come in and\u00a0say, we ran a CT scan on you\u00a0just\u00a0to\u00a0see if anything else\u00a0was wrong. Did you know that you had a tumor in your right kidney? No, I did not. And then\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0like, OK, so what are my options here? And up there, they said,\u00a0well,\u00a0we\u2019ve\u00a0already sent in an urgent referral to Fred Hutch.\u00a0Give them a call in a day or two and they will &#8230; Actually,\u00a0they\u00a0said that Fred\u00a0Hutch\u00a0would call me, which they did and started the ball rolling.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (09:51.037)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nOkay, so I remember one thing when you and I had spoken, Dave, that you told me, you said you\u2019re a very positive person and that your viewpoint on life is, okay, if something is my reality, then rather than get really down about it, rather your approach is, okay, what are my choices? How am I\u00a0going to\u00a0tackle this? What am I\u00a0going to\u00a0do about it? So\u00a0very\u00a0action-oriented and\u00a0very optimistic.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Dave Lucas (10:19.48)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nCorrect, up in the hospital in Skagit, rather than thinking, how did this happen? Why didn\u2019t it? It\u2019s, okay,\u00a0it is\u00a0my new reality. Where do I need to go?\u00a0Who are the best people to talk to? Once I met Dr. Nyame, then it was, what can we do?\u00a0What\u2019s\u00a0the best way to do this? And one of the things I really enjoyed was the conversation,\u00a0being\u00a0able to talk about the two different options, pluses and minuses, and coming to an agreement that, well, in my case,\u00a0I\u2019m\u00a0comfortable.\u00a0Let\u2019s\u00a0do\u00a0the robotics\u00a0because it should be a shorter recovery. I can make my trip. And it all worked out.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (11:09.467)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nAnd you had also said that you really appreciated\u00a0when\u00a0you were in your appointment, Dr.\u00a0Nyame\u00a0kept stopping to check for, to make sure that you\u00a0were understanding\u00a0what he was saying. You appreciated his, just his manner, the way he\u00a0wasn\u2019t\u00a0directive and saying, I think we should do\u00a0this but\u00a0presenting\u00a0all the options. And then you both jointly decided that,\u00a0yes, robotic surgery seems like the way to go.\u00a0So\u00a0did I summarize that correctly?\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Dave Lucas (11:47.054)<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nCorrect. What\u00a0I\u2019ll\u00a0add in there is\u00a0from the moment Dr. Nyame walked\u00a0in,\u00a0he\u2019s\u00a0a very engaging person. He focused on me. At all times, there was\u00a0the pausing\u00a0and looking to make sure that I had a chance to engage back, that it\u00a0wasn\u2019t\u00a0just a doctor talking to a patient. I still remember him pulling out a piece of paper and drawing a picture of my kidney and where\u00a0the\u00a0tumor was, how everything was set up, what he would do. And\u00a0those sort of things\u00a0gave me confidence that\u00a0I\u2019m\u00a0in\u00a0good hands.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (12:33.509)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nOkay, so you had the surgery, then I think there were two weeks of walking, two weeks where you were allowed to walk, another week on your stationary bike, then you got on your actual bike to get some miles in, you got two or three rides in, and then you left September 2nd, I believe it was, for Croatia and you started your ride with your wife.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Dave Lucas (12:55.95)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nCorrect.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (12:57.263)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nAnd you felt a little weak, you said, but really no pain, which is wild to\u00a0think about\u00a0that you just had surgery and you were not in pain. You were riding 25 to 30 miles a day, eight days of cycling\u00a0in\u00a0this trip, and you were feeling great.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Dave Lucas (13:13.934)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nCorrect.\u00a0Yeah,\u00a0I\u00a0shouldn\u2019t\u00a0say I was amazed because\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0what I was hoping for and expecting, but it was\u00a0really nice\u00a0to have the warmup rides here in Skagit County. Spent 12 hours in a plane to get there and then a couple of days of walking around, getting used to time zones and then jumping on a bike and up and downhill.\u00a0And by the way, Croatia\u2019s\u00a0beautiful.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Yaw Nyame (13:51.762)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nYeah, I mean, I will add, for us, one of the things\u00a0that\u2019s\u00a0a real strength of our program is that we are very well equipped to take care of complex cancer patients. And what Dave had was a complex cancer problem. And\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0a lot of preparation. And for me, especially, I mean,\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0one thing to know what to do, which was the case, but the\u00a0devil\u2019s\u00a0in the details. This is what I tell our trainees all the time, right? The\u00a0devil\u2019s\u00a0in the details. And\u00a0so\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0all the\u00a0little things, right? If\u00a0I&#8217;m\u00a0gonna\u00a0clamp this exactly, like\u00a0what do I do at this step? And, you know, fortunately I\u2019ve got a lot of close colleagues from my prior training in Cleveland and just friends across the country that I could tap into to say, okay, I know you\u2019ve done this or you\u2019ve done a few of these,\u00a0these are my very specific questions.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>[There\u2019s] a\u00a0lot of preparation and\u00a0maybe a\u00a0little bit of less\u00a0sleep the night before Dave, if\u00a0I\u2019m\u00a0being honest, because it\u2019s, you know, the new thing, right? You want to make sure not too much, not too much, but you want to get it right, right? Because\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0dealing\u00a0with people, right?\u00a0And that\u2019s really important to me that we give you our best shot.\u00a0But what was incredible for me was it was\u00a0kind\u00a0of\u00a0the village\u00a0that came together on the day of surgery.\u00a0You\u2019re\u00a0asleep.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (14:53.075)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nBut\u00a0hopefully\u00a0not too much.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Yaw Nyame (15:16.349)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nBut you know, one of my partners came in to check in and see how we were doing. You know, we have a transplant surgeon that we collaborate with in these thrombus cases\u00a0frequently.\u00a0You\u00a0know, he actually took time from some personal obligations to just be there during the most critical time when we\u2019re opening the vena cava and was there present.\u00a0You know, at some point I looked up and some of our residents who were\u00a0out\u00a0of their other surgeries were in to support and peek and\u00a0learn,\u00a0and it felt like our whole program was coming together to make sure we were serving you. And the very next day, the next morning, our chief resident rounded on\u00a0you\u00a0and he texted and said,\u00a0I think\u00a0he can go home today, which just for context, never do we do a thrombus case and send someone home the day after surgery.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>With a traditional incision,\u00a0you\u2019re\u00a0usually\u00a0hanging out\u00a0with us for a few days on the early side.\u00a0So\u00a0it was\u00a0really fantastic\u00a0to see it all come together and then to have you share those pictures of you riding up in the mountains with your wife, I think really was the cherry on top.\u00a0So\u00a0I wanted to add that as some context to how it all came together so beautifully and\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0been really a privilege to be part\u00a0of\u00a0the team\u00a0that\u2019s\u00a0been supporting you, Dave, in this new chapter of your life, being a cancer survivor. Or as the advocates I work with would say, cancer thriver.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Dave Lucas (16:54.71)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nI like it, I like it, I will keep that.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (16:58.451)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nI\u00a0don\u2019t\u00a0know how to top that.\u00a0I\u00a0had a couple more questions, but I think that this is just a really beautiful, beautiful ending.\u00a0I just wanted to reiterate, August 6 was your surgery, Dave, and September 8, you texted those photos to your doctor.\u00a0That&#8217;s\u00a0just\u00a0amazing\u00a0and\u00a0inspiring\u00a0and I think Dr.\u00a0Nyame,\u00a0you said that Dave\u2019s first question was: \u201cWhen can I get on the bike again?\u201d\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Yaw Nyame (17:36.509)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nYeah, he was committed You know, you\u2019re always nervous But I think at that two three week mark and I knew I said as long as you\u2019re going light on the bike I don\u2019t even know what that really means going light on the bike. But you know as long as you\u2019re not straining and you\u2019re just getting your heart rate up. I think\u00a0yeah,\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0okay.\u00a0So\u00a0he followed all the instructions to the letter of the law,\u00a0if you will,\u00a0and\u00a0you know\u00a0time had\u00a0kind of escaped\u00a0me when I said, has it really been a month?\u00a0That\u2019s\u00a0just\u00a0kind of what&#8217;s\u00a0happened in my phase of life now with young kids and a busy surgical oncology practice.\u00a0I\u00a0said,\u00a0\u201cDave, has it really been a month? It feels like it was just yesterday.\u201d\u00a0And sure enough, he\u00a0had hit\u00a0it right on the mark. So that was great.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (18:25.415)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nWell, thank you so much. I also just wanted to just point out, Dr.\u00a0Nyame, on your bio on the Fred Hutch page,\u00a0the bio that if people are looking for a doctor and\u00a0they\u2019re\u00a0Googling\u00a0and your profile comes up, you have this quote. I\u00a0don\u2019t\u00a0even know if you remember saying this quote, but it intersects\u00a0so\u00a0closely with what\u00a0you\u2019ve\u00a0been talking about today that I just wanted to read it. You said: \u201cThe greatest pleasure of my job is getting to know my patients, understanding what drives them, exchanging\u00a0stories\u00a0and learning about the impact of their disease. These personal details help me provide comprehensive individualized care.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And I read that and\u00a0I\u2019m\u00a0like, Boom, this\u00a0is exactly what happened in this case where you were willing, not only willing, but\u00a0motivated to think, what kind of surgery, what kind of approach works best for this\u00a0particular patient?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Yaw Nyame (19:25.436)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nThank you for sharing that with me.\u00a0It\u2019s\u00a0been a while since\u00a0I&#8217;ve\u00a0seen that quote.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (19:28.115)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nI figured.\u00a0Anything that you would like to add,\u00a0Dave?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Dave Lucas (19:34.606)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nI think\u00a0one of the biggest things I took away from Fred Hutch\u00a0writ\u00a0large is how everybody there is very caring, very engaging,\u00a0very focused\u00a0on the person in front of them.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In addition to being\u00a0very good\u00a0technicians and a wonderful surgeon, that interaction was comforting.\u00a0That is what made me trust, know it was going to turn out\u00a0well,\u00a0it just lowered\u00a0all of\u00a0the little bits of worry that were there.\u00a0I don\u2019t know what kind of\u00a0a box\u00a0to put that in, but that was just really important to have to feel.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Bonnie Rochman (20:33.331)\u00a0<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\nAmazing. 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