{"id":363174,"date":"2026-03-28T19:24:09","date_gmt":"2026-03-28T19:24:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/363174\/"},"modified":"2026-03-28T19:24:09","modified_gmt":"2026-03-28T19:24:09","slug":"the-world-needs-holes-power-rebellion-and-intelligence-right-now","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/il\/363174\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cThe world needs Hole\u2019s power, rebellion and intelligence right now\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cZero idea! \u2018Not Sonic Youth\u2019 is my answer!\u201d [Laughs]<\/p>\n<p>WRONG. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nme.com\/artists\/robert-fripp\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Robert Fripp<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nme.com\/artists\/toyah-willcox\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Toyah Willcox<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cCute! I\u2019ll look it up.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>How do you look back at that album?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe thing that sat so heavy with me with \u2018Celebrity Skin\u2019 was the loss of Patty [Schemel] after an incoming ghost drummer caused her to leave, and the breaking of our spirit. Since I\u2019ve written the book and shed tears about how it was a loss of innocence for me, I actually have more appreciation for the record and can see it\u2019s a great album that I\u2019m proud of.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cEven its overly produced nature sounds great by today\u2019s standards. It\u2019s rich with human playing, with tiny tweaks by early versions of Pro Tools. It\u2019s ageing well. When I met <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nme.com\/artists\/billie-eilish\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Billie Eilish<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nme.com\/artists\/finneas\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Finneas<\/a> with my daughter, Finneas told me \u2018Celebrity Skin\u2019 is a big influence on new producers \u2013 in that it sounds both perfect, but also real. All those years of unresolved sadness around the machine and the loss of Patty didn\u2019t allow me to see the beauty in the record. Now I do, and I recommend people go listen to it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Will Hole ever reform? <\/p>\n<p>\u201cI have no idea. If there\u2019s one thing I know about Courtney and Hole, it\u2019s that it\u2019s as mysterious as romantic love. You can\u2019t force, organise, or plan these things. What I do know is I\u2019ve always said no for many years, and it wasn\u2019t until the Evil Empire in the US that I began to contemplate where Hole, and Courtney\u2019s fearless feminism, and our generation, could maybe add to this dire dialogue in the US. Some of my interest in returning to Hole in any shape or form is because the world needs that kind of power, rebellion, and intelligence.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cCourtney\u2019s one of the most well-read and intelligent humans I\u2019ve ever spent a significant chapter of my life with.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Which makes it (grimly) funny that when Hole guitarist Eric Erlandson dared Courtney to pour a bag of Skittles over <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nme.com\/artists\/kathleen-hanna\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Kathleen Hanna<\/a>\u2019s head backstage at Lollapalooza (which ignited a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nme.com\/news\/music\/kathleen-hanna-interview-memoir-rebel-girl-riot-grrrl-courtney-love-3753807\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">notorious feud<\/a>), you claim the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nme.com\/artists\/bikini-kill\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bikini Kill<\/a> frontwoman responded by haughtily screaming \u201cI challenge you to a feminist debate in any college in America! And I. Will. Win.\u201d Did people underestimate Courtney?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt did seem ridiculous in the moment. [Laughs] People underestimated Courtney \u2013 and they still do. They underestimated her will to live, her intelligence, but also her pain. Where was the compassion in understanding how hard this woman was fighting just to be alive with her kind of traumatic life even before Kurt? So give me a break! A lot of my book is trying to highlight compassion for complicated people.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"\u201cZero idea! \u2018Not Sonic Youth\u2019 is my answer!\u201d [Laughs] WRONG. Robert Fripp and Toyah Willcox. \u201cCute! 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