The atmosphere at SXSW is always a mix of chaos and creative excitement, but walking into the room with the team behind Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, that energy shifts into something more profound.
We’re talking about Vince Gilligan, the man who created some of the most iconic (and tragic) characters in modern television. Joining him were folks from Team Pluribus, actor Rhea Seehorn, composer Dave Porter, costume designer Jennifer Bryan, and producer Trina Siopy.
This panel serves as a roadmap for how we can build our own creative “families” and why the secret to high-level storytelling often has nothing to do with your budget and everything to do with your ego.
Whether you are currently writing your first pilot or you are navigating the complexities of post-production on an indie feature, there’s so much to learn from the panel. So, check out our favorite takeaways from the Albuquerque crew on how to sustain a career and create “juggernaut” art.
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1. Stop Leading the Character. Start Following Them
One of the biggest traps we fall into as screenwriters is trying to force a character to hit a plot point we’ve already decided on. Gilligan argues that if you want to write something that feels alive, you have to let the character take the wheel—even if that means the story goes somewhere you didn’t expect.
“The characters tell you where the story goes,” Gilligan noted. “You have to listen to them. If you try to force them to do something they wouldn’t do just to satisfy a plot point, the audience smells it instantly. They know when you’re cheating.”
This is a vital lesson for those of us working in the screenwriting trenches. If you find yourself stuck on Page 60, try letting go and being an observer. By treating your characters as autonomous people, the “math” of the plot starts to solve itself.
2. Check Your Ego: Don’t Keep Score of Ideas
It’s easy to get precious about who thought of what on a project. However, the Breaking Bad writer’s room famously operated on a “best idea wins” policy that stripped away hierarchy.
“The best advice I can give is: don’t keep score over whose idea is whose,” Gilligan shared. “If you’re in a room and someone says something great, it doesn’t matter if they’re the showrunner or the production assistant. If it makes the show better, it’s the right idea. We’re all pulling the same oars.”
When you are on set with a skeleton crew, the best lighting fix might come from the sound mixer. Or the best adjustment to the third act might come from your characters themselves. If we stop worrying about credit and start focusing on the frame, the work elevates.
3. Trust the Audience to Do the Math
We live in an era of “hand-holding” television where dialogue often over-explains the plot. But the Albuquerque universe is famous for its silence and its “show, don’t tell” visual storytelling. This isn’t just an aesthetic choice; it’s a sign of respect for the viewer.
Rhea Seehorn spoke to this from the actor’s perspective: “You have to trust your audience. You don’t have to play the ‘result’ of the emotion. If the writing is there and the circumstances are real, they will find you. They are much smarter than we give them credit for.”
Whether you are editing your first short or blocking a scene, remember that the audience wants to be engaged. They want to solve the puzzle. Don’t give them the answer; give them the pieces.
4. Use Your Environment as a Creative Anchor
The group discussed why they stayed in Albuquerque for over fifteen years, long after Breaking Bad could have moved to a studio backlot. It wasn’t just about the tax incentives (though finding the right film commission is a huge part of being a smart producer). It was about the “vibe” of the location.
“Albuquerque became a character in itself,” producer Trina Siopy explained. “The light there, the horizons—it informed the pace of the show. It gave us a creative anchor that we couldn’t have found on a soundstage in California.”
For those of us working on a budget, look at what’s around you. Instead of trying to make Ohio look like NYC, lean into what makes your local environment unique. Use the “disruption” of your specific geography to give your film a soul that a CGI background can’t replicate.
5. Sound and Score Should Be Subtextual, Not Descriptive
Composer Dave Porter, the one responsible for the iconic Breaking Bad theme, discussed the importance of not using music as a crutch. In a pro-human filmmaking approach, the music shouldn’t tell the audience how to feel; it should reflect what the character is hiding.
“My job isn’t to tell the audience ‘this is a scary part,'” Porter said. “My job is to get inside the character’s head. Sometimes the most powerful thing you can do is have the music be completely at odds with what’s happening on screen to show the internal conflict.”
If you’re working with a composer or using royalty-free tracks for your project, remember: if the scene is already sad, the music doesn’t need to cry.
6. Costume Design is Character Psychology
Jennifer Bryan, the costume designer who helped transition Jimmy McGill into Saul Goodman and is now working on Pluribus, highlighted how clothing is a tool for storytelling long before a line of dialogue is spoken.
“You’re telling a story with a collar or a color palette,” Bryan noted. “It’s about what that person wants the world to see versus who they actually are. For Rhea’s characters, it’s always about the precision—what does that ponytail say about her mental state today?”
Even on a low budget, you can use wardrobe to build depth. Shop at thrift stores, but do it with a character’s psychology in mind. Visual storytelling doesn’t require a massive budget…just a good eye for detail.
7. The Power of Pluribus: Inventing a New Universe
While much of the panel was a retrospective, the excitement for Gilligan’s new project, Pluribus, was palpable. Moving away from the drug trade and into a more “grounded, yet speculative” world, the team discussed the challenge of starting over.
“It’s about finding the new in the familiar,” Gilligan said regarding filming in Albuquerque again, but for a different universe. “We aren’t trying to remake Saul. We’re trying to find a new way to be human in this space.”
This is the ultimate lesson indie filmmakers: don’t get stuck in your own brand. Even if you’ve found success with one genre or style, the real career sustainability comes from the willingness to disrupt yourself and try something new.
Final Thoughts
As the panel wrapped up, the overarching theme was clear: Collaboration is the only way to survive. This group has stayed together for over a decade because they value the collective over the individual. They use technology—whether it’s high-end cameras or modern post-production tools—to serve the human element of the story.
As we go back to our own sets and writers’ rooms, let’s take a page from the Albuquerque playbook. Trust your audience, follow your characters, and let the best idea win.