{"id":120578,"date":"2025-11-06T06:23:05","date_gmt":"2025-11-06T06:23:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/120578\/"},"modified":"2025-11-06T06:23:05","modified_gmt":"2025-11-06T06:23:05","slug":"casey-costello-meets-with-self-proclaimed-terf-as-landmark-case-reaches-final-chapter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/120578\/","title":{"rendered":"Casey Costello meets with self-proclaimed \u2018terf\u2019 as landmark case reaches final chapter"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>While the associate health minister hosted an Irish anti-trans activist to discuss \u2018women\u2019s rights\u2019, around the corner, the Human Rights Review Tribunal heard evidence of the \u2018extreme\u2019 and \u2018vicious\u2019 nature of trans-exclusionary sentiment.<\/p>\n<p>Irish anti-trans activist Helen Joyce met with associate health minister Casey Costello at parliament on Wednesday before holding an event for supporters at parliament\u2019s Grand Hall, hosted by Act MP Todd Stephenson. Joyce, of the UK\u2019s gender critical lobbying group Sex Matters, is in the midst of a nationwide speaking tour organised by the Free Speech Union (FSU), which brought her to Wellington this week. An Act Party spokesperson told The Spinoff that Stephenson accepted an approach to host the event because \u201che was happy to ensure the FSU and its members had a space to exercise their free speech\u201d. The Grand Hall is available to be hired for events for a fee of $4,500.<\/p>\n<p>New Zealand First\u2019s Costello met with Joyce in her role as the association minister for health with responsibility for women\u2019s health, and told The Spinoff she did so because \u201cit was important for me to talk to someone who advocates for women\u2019s rights\u201d.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNew Zealand First has a position around protecting women\u2019s bathrooms, around making sure women are safe in sport. Those were the subjects we spoke about,\u201d said Costello, who <a href=\"https:\/\/thespinoff.co.nz\/politics\/15-04-2025\/a-deeply-frustrating-line-by-line-reading-of-casey-costellos-letter-to-health-nz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">recently advised the interim CEO of Health NZ<\/a> to refrain from using language such as \u201cpregnant people\u201d. The minister said she preferred not to describe Joyce\u2019s views as anti-trans or gender critical \u2013 \u201cshe\u2019s pro women\u2019s rights\u201d.<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"Helen Joyce, Casey Costello and Jilliane Heather stand smiling together in Costello's office.\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" decoding=\"async\" data-nimg=\"responsive\" style=\"position:absolute;top:0;left:0;bottom:0;right:0;box-sizing:border-box;padding:0;border:none;margin:auto;display:block;width:0;height:0;min-width:100%;max-width:100%;min-height:100%;max-height:100%\"\/>Helen Joyce, Casey Costello and FSU CEO Jillaine Heather met in the minister\u2019s office on Wednesday. (Source: Facebook)<br \/>\n\u2018Worst sort of human rights abuse\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Neither Costello nor Stephenson heard Joyce\u2019s speech in parliament, though Act Party MPs Simon Court and Cameron Luxton, as well as more than a hundred FSU members and activists, were in attendance. The event was MCed by the FSU\u2019s new chief executive Jillaine Heather, who made reference to The Spinoff\u2019s questioning of Costello over her meeting with Joyce \u2013 the minister was disappointed that \u201cnothing else she was doing was media worthy\u201d, Heather told the crowd.<\/p>\n<p>Describing herself as \u201chere from Terf [trans-exclusionary radical feminist] island\u201d, Joyce spoke for over an hour on her criticisms of \u201ctrans ideology\u201d, which she described as \u201cvery simple, but very wrong\u201d. That trans people should be allowed to use a bathroom that corresponds with their gender is the \u201cworst sort of human rights abuse\u201d on women, Joyce claimed. She referred to gender medicine as \u201cjunk\u201d, compared trans people to flat Earthers, misgendered them and suggested trans women were predatory in using women\u2019s bathrooms.<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"Helen Joyce, wearing a blue power suit, speaks to a crowd of people who have the back of their heads facing the camera.\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" decoding=\"async\" data-nimg=\"responsive\" style=\"position:absolute;top:0;left:0;bottom:0;right:0;box-sizing:border-box;padding:0;border:none;margin:auto;display:block;width:0;height:0;min-width:100%;max-width:100%;min-height:100%;max-height:100%\"\/>A 100-strong crowd of mostly FSU members heard Joyce speak at parliament.<\/p>\n<p>Joyce wouldn\u2019t go into the details of her \u201cprivate\u201d conversation with Costello, but told the crowd that much of her political lobbying revolved around puberty blockers and the \u201csuicide myth\u201d. She claimed that puberty blockers \u201cdo not improve mental health\u201d in trans people \u2013 and \u201chaving a trans identity does not increase your suicide risk at all\u201d. Joyce referred to a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/publications\/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust\/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">UK report<\/a> which found that restrictions on puberty blockers have not led to increased suicides, though many other reports point to <a href=\"https:\/\/pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/35212746\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">improved wellbeing<\/a> and curbed suicidal ideation in trans youth who receive gender-affirming care.<\/p>\n<p>She also referenced\u00a0 the Law Commission\u2019s recent Ia Tangata report, which suggested 27 reforms to the Human Rights Act (HRA), including one to cover discrimination faced by transgender or non-binary people and those having \u201can innate variation of sex characteristics\u201d. Joyce encouraged the crowd to convince their peers of the \u201charm\u201d of gender ideology, giving the example of her lobbying effort in the UK to have the media cover the story of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/society\/2025\/jul\/16\/nurse-sandie-peggie-cleared-of-misconduct-in-trans-doctor-changing-room-row-in-scotland\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Sandie Peggie<\/a>, a nurse recently cleared of gross misconduct after complaining about sharing a changing room with a transgender colleague.<\/p>\n<p>When the floor opened up to questions from the room, prominent anti-trans activist <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rnz.co.nz\/news\/political\/512306\/anti-trans-rant-and-abuse-of-mp-disrupts-select-committee\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Rex Landy<\/a> asked Joyce how she could persuade others into gender criticism. \u201cIt\u2019s the only mental illness that they demand is a civil right,\u201d Landy said of trans people. \u201cI say things that are a bit beyond the pale, because that gives people permission to think what they\u2019re thinking. There\u2019s nothing you could say that\u2019s worse than what I\u2019m thinking.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u2018Many of their expressions are quite vicious\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, 400 metres down the road at the Wellington district court, the Human Rights Review Tribunal closed a chapter on a <a href=\"https:\/\/thespinoff.co.nz\/politics\/08-09-2025\/inside-the-clash-between-a-wellington-pride-festival-and-anti-trans-lesbian-activists\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">landmark case<\/a> that will decide whether discriminating based on transphobic views impedes on human rights. <\/p>\n<p>The court heard of the impacts of gender critical views on the trans community. Wellington Pride Festival gave its closing submission in a case brought against them two years ago by anti-trans lesbian activists, who were present for Joyce\u2019s speech. A press release shared by the FSU referred to the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fsu.nz\/blog\/a-human-rights-tribunal-afraid-of-human-rights-fsu-slams-ban-on-helen-joyce\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">hearing imposing a \u201cban\u201d<\/a> on Joyce, though she was only unable to sit at the press bench and take notes, as she does not work for an organisation which is subject to the NZ Media Council or Broadcasting Standards Authority.<\/p>\n<p>The Human Rights Review Tribunal (HRRT), chaired by Sarah Eyre, is expected to take months to reach a decision in the case of Wellington Pride vs Hilary Oxley and Margaret Curnow of Lesbian Action for Visibility Aotearoa (Lava), who were denied a stall at a 2021 Pride-run event due to their trans-exclusionary views. The HRRT is tasked with deciding whether these views are genuine political opinions worth protection.<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"A photo of a LAVA protestor holding a sign reading: &quot;drag culture start young family fun? Or fetish grooming.&quot;\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" decoding=\"async\" data-nimg=\"responsive\" style=\"position:absolute;top:0;left:0;bottom:0;right:0;box-sizing:border-box;padding:0;border:none;margin:auto;display:block;width:0;height:0;min-width:100%;max-width:100%;min-height:100%;max-height:100%\"\/>Evidence used in Pride\u2019s closing submission.<\/p>\n<p>The closing submission made by Wellington Pride saw lawyer Victoria Casey KC argued that Lava\u2019s views were too inconsistent with the Bill of Rights and the Human Rights Act (HRA), and relied too heavily on \u201cfalse facts\u201d to be considered political opinion. \u201cIf anything, it is a system of fundamentalist beliefs that are clearly not up to discussion,\u201d Casey said.<\/p>\n<p>It would not have been the intention of parliament in passing the HRA that opinions infringing on human rights should be protected under the act, Casey argued. \u201cThese are exclusionary views,\u201d Casey\u2019s written submission read. \u201cMany of their expressions are quite vicious and\/or demeaning, and they often involve assertions of false fact or disinformation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>There is \u201cno coherent basis to draw distinctions\u201d between \u201cpolite\u201d and \u201cobviously vicious\u201d expressions of these views, and Lava had not been \u201cshy about expressing quite nasty views in public\u201d. Casey referred to a photo of a Lava member holding a sign reading \u201cdrag culture start young, family fun? Or fetish grooming\u201d, and told the court, \u201cThis is the exact rhetoric that legitimises and encourages what we call Destiny Church.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Lava\u2019s website labelled \u201cexaggerated\u201d suicide statistics for trans people as a \u201cform of emotional blackmail\u201d, gender identity ideology as \u201ca form of conversion therapy\u201d and sex education in \u201cgroomer schools\u201d as \u201ckinky porn\u201d. There are multiple references to young lesbians facing pressure to \u201cmutilate\u201d their bodies and rely on \u201cdangerous drugs\u201d, while another page of Lava\u2019s website encouraged members to refrain from \u201cpersuading everyone else to join in [their] fictional life\u201d. A speech presented by Oxley, published to Lava\u2019s website, suggested that trans women were more likely to rape other women. Their views are \u201cabsolute and extreme\u201d, Casey said.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis dissonance between what Lava says it is doing and what it is actually doing is a strong feature of this case,\u201d Casey\u2019s submission read.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"While the associate health minister hosted an Irish anti-trans activist to discuss \u2018women\u2019s rights\u2019, around the corner, the&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":120579,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[84925,492,156,84926,134,111,139,69,135,84927,84928],"class_list":["post-120578","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-entertainment","tag-casey-costello","tag-comments-enabled","tag-entertainment","tag-free-speech-union","tag-health","tag-new-zealand","tag-newzealand","tag-nz","tag-politics","tag-terfs","tag-transphobia"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/120578","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=120578"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/120578\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/120579"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=120578"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=120578"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=120578"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}