{"id":209594,"date":"2025-12-31T06:57:09","date_gmt":"2025-12-31T06:57:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/209594\/"},"modified":"2025-12-31T06:57:09","modified_gmt":"2025-12-31T06:57:09","slug":"the-phone-is-dead-long-live-what-exactly","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/209594\/","title":{"rendered":"The phone is dead. Long live . . . what exactly?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>     <img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/ywAAAAAAQABAAACAUwAOw==\" alt=\"&lt;span class=&quot;caption&quot;&gt;Image Credits:Sandbar&lt;\/span&gt;\" loading=\"eager\" height=\"540\" width=\"960\" class=\"yf-lglytj loader\"\/> Image Credits:Sandbar      <\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">True Ventures co-founder Jon Callaghan doesn\u2019t think we\u2019ll be using smartphones the way we do now in five years \u2014 and maybe not at all in 10.<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">For a venture capitalist whose firm has had some big winners over its two decades \u2013 from consumer brands like Fitbit, Ring, and Peloton, to enterprise software makers HashiCorp and Duo Security \u2013 that\u2019s more than armchair theorizing; it\u2019s a thesis on which True Ventures is actively betting.<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">True hasn\u2019t gotten this far by following the crowd. The Bay Area firm has largely operated under the radar despite managing roughly $6 billion across 12 core seed funds and four \u201cselect,\u201d opportunity-style funds that it has used to pour more capital into portfolio companies that are gaining momentum. While other VCs have grown more promotional \u2013 building personal brands on social media and podcasts to attract founders and deal flow \u2013 True has gone in the opposite direction, quietly cultivating a tight network of repeat founders. The strategy seems to be working: according to Callaghan, the firm boasts 63 exits with gains and seven IPOs amid a portfolio of some 300 companies assembled over its 20-year history.<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">Three of True\u2019s four recent exits in the fourth quarter of 2025 involved repeat founders who came back to work with the firm again after previous successes, says Callaghan. Still, it\u2019s Callaghan\u2019s thinking about the future of human-computer interaction that really stands out in a sea of AI hype and mega-rounds.<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">\u201cWe\u2019re not going to be using iPhones in 10 years,\u201d Callaghan says flatly. \u201cI kind of don\u2019t think we\u2019ll be using them in five years \u2013 or let\u2019s say something different that\u2019s a little safer \u2013 we\u2019re going to be using them in very different ways.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">His argument is simple: our phones are lousy at being the interface between humans and intelligence. \u201cThe way we take them out right now to send a text to confirm this or send you some message or write an email \u2013 [that\u2019s] super inefficient, [and] not a great interface,\u201d he explains. \u201c[They\u2019re] prone to error, prone to disruption [of] our normal lives.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">So sure is he of this that True has been spending years exploring alternative interfaces \u2013 software-based, hardware-based, everything in between. It\u2019s the same instinct that led True to bet early on Fitbit before wearables were obvious, to invest in Peloton after hundreds of other VCs said \u2018no thanks,\u2019 and to back Ring when founder Jamie Siminoff kept running out of money and even the judges on \u201cShark Tank\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/06\/25\/ring-inventor-jamie-siminoff-broke-before-shark-tank-amazon-pitches\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" data-ylk=\"slk:turned him away;elm:context_link;itc:0;sec:content-canvas\" class=\"link \">turned him away<\/a>. Each time, the bet looked questionable, says Callaghan. Each time, the bet was on a new way for humans to interact with technology that felt more natural than what came before.<\/p>\n<p> Story Continues  <\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">The latest manifestation of this thesis is Sandbar, a hardware device that Callaghan describes as a \u201cthought companion\u201d \u2014 or, in more mundane terms, a <a href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2025\/11\/05\/former-meta-employees-launch-stream-a-smart-ring-that-takes-voice-notes-and-controls-music\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" data-ylk=\"slk:voice-activated ring;elm:context_link;itc:0;sec:content-canvas\" class=\"link \">voice-activated ring<\/a> worn on the index finger. Its singular purpose: capturing and organizing your thoughts through voice notes. It\u2019s not trying to be another Humane AI Pin or compete with Oura\u2019s health tracking. \u201cIt does one thing really well,\u201d Callaghan says. \u201cBut that one thing is a fundamental human behavioral need that is missing from technology today.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">The idea isn\u2019t to passively record ambient audio but to be there when an idea strikes, serving as a kind of thought partner. It\u2019s attached to an app, leverages AI, and, according to Callaghan, represents a very different philosophy about how we should interact with intelligence.<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">What drew True to Sandbar founders Mina Fahmi and Kirak Hong wasn\u2019t just the product, though. \u201cWhen we met Mina, we were just absolutely aligned on vision,\u201d Callaghan recalls. True\u2019s team had already been thinking for years about alternative interfaces, making targeted investments around that possibility. They\u2019d met with dozens of founders, as a result. But the approach of Fahmi and Hong \u2013 who previously worked together on neural interfaces at CTRL-Labs, a startup acquired by Meta in 2019 \u2013 stood out. \u201cIt\u2019s about what [the ring] enables. It\u2019s about the behavior it enables that we will very soon realize we can\u2019t live without.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">There\u2019s an echo here of Callaghan\u2019s old line about Peloton: \u201cIt\u2019s not about the bike.\u201d To some, the bike \u2013 even its earliest iteration \u2013 was compelling. But Peloton was really about the behavior it enabled and the community it created; the bike was just the vessel.<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">This philosophy of betting on new behaviors \u2014 not just new gadgets \u2014 also explains how True has managed to stay disciplined about capital. Even as AI startups raise hundreds of millions at billion-dollar valuations out of the gate, True insists that it\u2019s able to stick to what it does best, which is to write seed checks of $3 million to $6 million for 15% to 20% ownership in startups that it often gets to see first.<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">Callaghan says True will raise more money to fund what\u2019s working, but he\u2019s not interested in raising billions of dollars. \u201cLike, why? You don\u2019t need that to build something amazing today.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">That same measured approach colors his view of the broader AI boom. While he says (when asked) that he believes OpenAI could soon be worth a trillion dollars, and while he calls this the most powerful compute wave we\u2019ve seen, Callaghan sees warning signs in the circular financing deals backing hyperscalers and their $5 trillion in projected CapEx spending on data centers and chips. \u201cWe\u2019re in a very capital intense part of the cycle, and that is worrisome,\u201d he notes.<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">That said, he\u2019s optimistic about where the real opportunities lie. Callaghan thinks the greatest value creation is ahead of us \u2013 not in the infrastructure layer but in the application layer, where new interfaces will enable entirely new behaviors.<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">It all comes back to his core investing philosophy, which sounds almost romantic \u2014 the kind of pitch-perfect VC wisdom that would ring hollow from most people: \u201cIt should be scary and lonely and you should be called crazy,\u201d Callaghan says about early-stage investing done right. \u201cAnd it should be really blurry and ambiguous, but you should be with a team that you really believe in.\u201d Five to ten years later, he says, you\u2019ll know if you were on to something.<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">Either way, based on True\u2019s track record of betting on hardware that many others missed \u2013 fitness trackers, connected bikes, smart doorbells, and now thought-capturing rings \u2013 it\u2019s worth paying attention when Callaghan says the phone\u2019s days are numbered. Being early is the whole point \u2014 and the trend lines support his thesis: the smartphone market is effectively saturated, growing at barely 2% annually, while wearables \u2014 smartwatches, rings, and voice-enabled devices \u2014 are expanding at double-digit rates.<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">Something\u2019s shifting in how we want to interact with technology, and True is placing its bets accordingly.<\/p>\n<p class=\"yf-7hmkaz\">Pictured above, Sandbar\u2019s Stream ring. For much more from our conversation with Callaghan, tune in to the <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/76SeToo8Rxj8hRTE0iQwWZ\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" data-ylk=\"slk:StrictlyVC Download;elm:context_link;itc:0;sec:content-canvas\" class=\"link \">StrictlyVC Download<\/a> podcast next week; new episodes drop every Tuesday.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Image Credits:Sandbar True Ventures co-founder Jon Callaghan doesn\u2019t think we\u2019ll be using smartphones the way we do now&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":209595,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[85627,127582,111,139,69,47740,145,81895],"class_list":{"0":"post-209594","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-technology","8":"tag-callaghan","9":"tag-jon-callaghan","10":"tag-new-zealand","11":"tag-newzealand","12":"tag-nz","13":"tag-peloton","14":"tag-technology","15":"tag-true-ventures"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/209594","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=209594"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/209594\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/209595"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=209594"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=209594"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=209594"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}