{"id":26911,"date":"2025-09-17T01:55:08","date_gmt":"2025-09-17T01:55:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/26911\/"},"modified":"2025-09-17T01:55:08","modified_gmt":"2025-09-17T01:55:08","slug":"why-new-zealand-artists-are-pulling-music-from-spotify-over-pay-and-ethics","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/26911\/","title":{"rendered":"Why New Zealand artists are pulling music from Spotify over pay and ethics"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Taane joins several other acts leaving Spotify, including longtime Flying Nun Records band The Bats and other musicians who put out a statement as Boycott Spotify NZ.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cWe refuse to be exploited by Spotify any longer,\u201d that statement says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cSpotify treats the majority of its working artists as free labourers, selling access to their musical output with virtually none of the profit returning to the creators. Generally, each stream generates around 1\/20th of 1 NZ cent.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Green MP for Wellington Central Tamatha Paul, who also left Spotify as a customer, said she was concerned about how the company treated New Zealand creatives.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cNew Zealand artists don\u2019t get a fair share of the royalties earned through Spotify,\u201d she said. \u201cSo New Zealand Spotify subscribers are simply subsidising big international artists.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">More than a dozen Kiwi bands such as Carb on Carb, Synthetic Children and Recitals have signed the Boycott Spotify NZ statement.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Notable overseas indie bands like Deerhoof, Xiu Xiu and Australia\u2019s King Gizzard &amp; The Lizard Wizard have abandoned the platform as well.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">RNZ emailed Spotify multiple times to ask about New Zealand musicians\u2019 concerns about the platform, but did not receive a response.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Spotify reported revenue of more than $8.2 billion in its latest reports, and 696 million monthly active users and 276 million subscribers.<\/p>\n<p><img  alt=\"Daniel Ek's investments in military technology have come under fire. Photo \/ Presley Ann, AFP\" class=\"article-media__image responsively-lazy\" data-test-ui=\"article-media__image\"\/>Daniel Ek&#8217;s investments in military technology have come under fire. Photo \/ Presley Ann, AFP<\/p>\n<p>So what are artists angry about?<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Dissatisfaction with aspects of Spotify\u2019s domination of music streaming has been brewing for a while, but has boiled over in recent months.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Two of the biggest issues are what\u2019s seen as low payment for artists and the platform\u2019s creeping use of music created by AI, such as the non-existent band Velvet Sundown.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">The big tipping point, however, for many was the revelation earlier this year that Spotify chief executive Daniel Ek was investing \u20ac600 million ($1.2b) in European defence technology company Helsing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Helsing, which Ek is also the chair of, specialises in AI software integrated into fighter aircraft, and the company says it is \u201cuniquely positioned with its AI leadership to deliver these critical capabilities in all-domain defence innovation\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">That investment hasn\u2019t gone down well with many musicians.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cWhy should our art be the traffic source for military investments?\u201d said Tharushi Bowatte of the Wellington\/Auckland band Recitals.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">The Bats\u2019 Paul Kean agreed and said it was a key factor in the band\u2019s decision to leave Spotify.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cWe\u2019d been considering it for some time but the news that Daniel Ek had invested approximately NZ$1.2 billion in a military weapons company tipped the scales.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img  alt=\"Tamatha Paul. Photo \/ RNZ, Samuel Rillstone\" class=\"article-media__image responsively-lazy\" data-test-ui=\"article-media__image\"\/>Tamatha Paul. Photo \/ RNZ, Samuel Rillstone<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cMusic has no place funding military technology that is arming a real time genocide,\u201d Tamatha Paul said. \u201cWhen someone like Daniel Ek has the platform and resources to promote peace and create a music ecosystem more favourable and artists and listeners like us, you have to wonder why we are so dependent on someone who uses our money to kill people.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Do Kiwi musicians make much money on Spotify?<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">It\u2019s also about the money \u2013 or lack of it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Spotify \u201cpaid next to nothing to us for using our recordings\u201d, The Bats posted on their Facebook page in announcing their breakup with the service.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Kean said that streaming services had not lived up to their initial promise.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cEarly days of streaming, we were hopeful that returns would equal if not improve on revenue from vinyl and CD sales while increasing our audience but that didn\u2019t last long when streaming services were pretty much stealing our music that they would then profit from.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img  alt=\"Members of the band Recitals said they make little money from streaming. Photo \/ Supplied\" class=\"article-media__image responsively-lazy\" data-test-ui=\"article-media__image\"\/>Members of the band Recitals said they make little money from streaming. Photo \/ Supplied<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Recitals has seen \u201cless than $1000\u201d for its music on all streaming platforms, \u201cbefore divvying up between our label and seven members\u201d, band member Josh Finegan said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cGetting a sense of your overall earnings is also quite opaque, at least for small indie artists. Payments from streaming come from various sources, for example mechanical royalties versus songwriting royalties.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Multiple sources online claim Spotify offers a figure of between $0.003 and $0.005 per stream \u2013 but it\u2019s still pretty unclear.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">On their website, Spotify says recording royalties and publishing royalties are paid to artists but they do not give a specific figure.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cContrary to what you might have heard, Spotify does not pay artist royalties according to a per-play or per-stream rate; the royalty payments that artists receive might vary according to differences in how their music is streamed or the agreements they have with labels or distributors.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Artists RNZ spoke to said the company was aimed more at promoting bigger acts than building up smaller ones.<\/p>\n<p><img  alt=\"The Bats. Photo \/ Supplied\" class=\"article-media__image responsively-lazy\" data-test-ui=\"article-media__image\"\/>The Bats. Photo \/ Supplied<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cSpotify has advantages for spreading music with a lot of people in the world, and there\u2019s always a chance of an up and coming act going viral,\u201d Kean said. \u201cIt\u2019s a gamble and if you\u2019re in luck, it can lead to hitting the huge listener targets where earnings from streaming would be healthier.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">The Bats have been together since 1982 and were one of Flying Nun\u2019s biggest success stories.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cWe\u2019ve kind of gone beyond any chance of \u2018going viral\u2019. It\u2019s more of a younger people\u2019s trending fashion approach that we\u2019re not a part of. And we don\u2019t belong to a major label.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Website MusicRadar published a deep dive into artist earnings on streaming services by musician Benn Jordan earlier this year. He found Apple Music, TIDAL, Deezer and Amazon Music all paid better than Spotify.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cAt the end of the day, Spotify has never served musicians; in fact they are routinely ranked as the worst when it comes to streaming fees for artists, and are considered by many to be the worst, period,\u201d Paul said.<\/p>\n<p><img  alt=\"Tiki Taane. Photo \/ RNZ, Peter de Graaf\" class=\"article-media__image responsively-lazy\" data-test-ui=\"article-media__image\"\/>Tiki Taane. Photo \/ RNZ, Peter de Graaf<\/p>\n<p>Where will musicians go instead of Spotify?<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">There are plenty of Spotify rivals such as Apple Music, TIDAL and YouTube, and the online music distribution platform Bandcamp is particularly popular.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cBandcamp came along and made it a lot easier for us to host our own music site where returns from sales were much higher,\u201d Kean said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cWe have the sense that people engaging with our music through Bandcamp are a lot more connected with the band \u2013 it\u2019s like a site where fans are investing in music they love.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Bowatte of Recitals said Spotify did not align with every musician\u2019s goals.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cA local audience who wants to buy merch and come to live gigs pays us far more than Spotify ever has!<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cThe problem with Spotify is that its one-size-fits-all model has forced independent musicians to join a rat race we never wanted to join anyway,\u201d Bowatte said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cAll we want is to make enough to tour iconic DIY venues across the country, pay for physical releases like vinyl, and break even when we invest in music equipment, studio hire and recording fees.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cBeing on Spotify does none of that. Spotify\u2019s model expects every musician to want to become a global superstar. What most of us actually want is sustainability and local reach.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Taane has been sharing his own process of leaving Spotify on social media.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cOver time we at Tikidub have been slowly stacking and building strong foundations so that when I finally step away, I\u2019ve got plenty of income streams to fill the vacuum Spotify leaves behind,\u201d Taane wrote.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">He said he gathered up the number of songs featuring his work and that he has control over he could easily remove. For other songs, he has to talk with collaborators about what they want to do.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cWe have that conversation about taking the song down &#8211; how do you feel, do you want to take it down, do you want to leave it up, how do you feel?<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cAnd some of the artists are like, \u2018No, I\u2019d love to leave it up, if that\u2019s OK with you\u2019 and I\u2019m like absolutely, 100 per cent, love you, no dramas.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Musicians have left Spotify before, although it\u2019s questionable how much their boycotts achieved.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">One of the world\u2019s biggest stars, Taylor Swift, left Spotify in 2014 for three years in protest over low artist royalties, while Neil Young famously left Spotify in 2022 in a protest over what he called podcaster Joe Rogan\u2019s harmful vaccine and Covid-19 views, but he ended up returning to the platform in 2024.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">The Bats\u2019 Kean said they had received no negative feedback about leaving.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cWe\u2019ve received a lot of supportive feedback from people through our social media networks,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cSustainability without streaming requires a strong and engaged fan base,\u201d Finegan said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cNew Zealand artists found audiences long before Spotify, and they will long after Spotify has been and gone when people opt out of supporting its corrosive practices,\u201d Paul said.<\/p>\n<p><img  alt=\"Taylor Swift boycotted Spotify for three years, but returned. Photo \/ Chandan Khanna\" class=\"article-media__image responsively-lazy\" data-test-ui=\"article-media__image\"\/>Taylor Swift boycotted Spotify for three years, but returned. Photo \/ Chandan Khanna<\/p>\n<p>Well, can any big social media or streaming company be ethical these days?<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cPersonally, I am a bit pessimistic about the paradigm of \u2018all you can eat\u2019 buffets of music streaming, such as Spotify and Apple Music,\u201d Finegan of Recitals said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cThere is a conversation emerging around the question of what role streaming may, or may not, play when we look towards a vibrant and sustainable future landscape.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">Bowatte said there needed to be more protection for artists with the looming issues of AI and tech companies based overseas.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cThe New Zealand music industry needs a strong regulatory system that protects our rights, data, and intellectual property.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">When she put up an Instagram post about leaving Spotify, Paul noted some other platforms were \u201cjust as bad\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cIt\u2019s really disappointing that the mavericks of Silicon Valley who were disrupters, fronting like they were doing things differently have simply replicated the same monopolistic, exploitative tactics,\u201d Paul said. \u201cThey can choose to deploy algorithms and tech differently &#8211; but they just haven\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cIt\u2019s down to us as fans and those with basic humanity to put our money elsewhere and demand better.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"IGIlsTinqXLQ\" style=\"display:none\">\u2013 RNZ<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Taane joins several other acts leaving Spotify, including longtime Flying Nun Records band The Bats and other musicians&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":26912,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[95,192,4914,26774,156,25965,71,157,117,111,139,69,1523,2744,10902,18609,4276,80],"class_list":["post-26911","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-entertainment","tag-and","tag-are","tag-artists","tag-dirga","tag-entertainment","tag-ethics","tag-from","tag-music","tag-new","tag-new-zealand","tag-newzealand","tag-nz","tag-over","tag-pay","tag-pulling","tag-spotify","tag-why","tag-zealand"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26911","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=26911"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26911\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/26912"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=26911"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=26911"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=26911"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}