{"id":273399,"date":"2026-02-08T06:25:08","date_gmt":"2026-02-08T06:25:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/273399\/"},"modified":"2026-02-08T06:25:08","modified_gmt":"2026-02-08T06:25:08","slug":"rogue-catholic-traditionalists-risk-showdown-with-vatican","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/273399\/","title":{"rendered":"Rogue Catholic traditionalists risk showdown with Vatican"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>By Claire Gallen with Clement Melki, AFP<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/4K7S5SN_1000008397_jpg.jpeg\" width=\"1050\" height=\"1400\" alt=\"Crowds at the conclave in Vatican City\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"photo-captioned__information\">\nVatican City. File photo.<br \/>\nPhoto: RNZ\/Johnny Sutherland\n<\/p>\n<p>A Catholic community wedded to tradition is preparing to defy Pope Leo XIV by ordaining new bishops without his approval, raising the spectre of a new schism within the Church.<\/p>\n<p>It reignites a long-standing power struggle between Rome and traditionalists who are angered by threats to old-age rites, such as the use of Latin in church.<\/p>\n<p>The Switzerland-based Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), which has about 600,000 followers worldwide, said this week it would go ahead with the ordinations on 1 July, after a diplomatic outreach came to nothing.<\/p>\n<p>The society said it had asked for an audience with the US pontiff, who was elected in May, but received an unsatisfactory response.<\/p>\n<p>Ordaining bishops without the Vatican&#8217;s approval would mean excommunication &#8211; being expelled outright from the Catholic Church.<\/p>\n<p>It would not be the first time: the society was founded in 1970 by French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, but clashed with Rome almost immediately.<\/p>\n<p>It rejected the reforms introduced under the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s, which sought to bring the Church into the modern era, including by restricting the Tridentine Mass.<\/p>\n<p>SSPX refused to stop performing the Mass, which is conducted in Latin by a priest who keeps his back to the congregation, in a ceremony marked by incense and Gregorian chants.<\/p>\n<p>By 1975, the Vatican had stripped the society&#8217;s ministers of all authority.<\/p>\n<p>Undeterred, Lefebvre illicitly ordained four bishops in 1988, resulting in immediate excommunication.<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;Force this through&#8217;<\/p>\n<p>By threatening to ordain more bishops, the society risks undoing efforts to improve relations with the Vatican under recent popes.<\/p>\n<p>Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunication in 2009, and his successor, Francis, said SSPX priests can celebrate marriages in traditionalist churches under some circumstances.<\/p>\n<p>But since Leo was elected last year, &#8220;they haven&#8217;t stopped criticising the pope&#8221;, Martin Dumont, head of the Institute for Research on the Study of Religions at the Sorbonne University, told AFP.<\/p>\n<p>And any fresh attempt to ordain new bishops would be seen by Rome as a direct threat to the unity of the Church.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The act they are about to commit is schismatic in spirit,&#8221; Dumont said.<\/p>\n<p>The society&#8217;s decision to forge ahead with ordaining its own bishops has not come as a surprise.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;They are trying to force this through, but it&#8217;s been in the works for several years now,&#8221; Dumont said.<\/p>\n<p>SSPX, which has 720 priests but now only two bishops, claims its survival is at stake.<\/p>\n<p>It needs more bishops because it has around 600,000 followers worldwide, and the number is &#8220;growing in a number of countries,&#8221; notably France, Germany and the US, Dumont said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;Bridge the gap&#8217;<\/p>\n<p>Leo is keen to preserve Church unity and has made concessions toward traditionalists, notably by authorising the use of the Tridentine Mass in St Peter&#8217;s Basilica in Rome.<\/p>\n<p>Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez, head of the Vatican&#8217;s department for doctrinal matters, has offered to meet with the society in Rome on 12 February, it said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Rome has always extended a hand, saying: &#8216;Come back, we are ready to welcome you&#8217;,&#8221; Dumont said.<\/p>\n<p>A canon lawyer who spoke on condition of anonymity said one solution could be to &#8220;find bishops to bridge the gap between the two sides&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>But he warned the bishop question masked &#8220;a much deeper problem&#8221;, namely &#8220;the fact that they do not recognise the Second Vatican Council&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Pushing through with the ordination of new bishops means one thing only, the lawyer said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Canon law is very clear: if bishops ordain other bishops without a papal mandate, they are automatically excommunicated,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; AFP<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"By Claire Gallen with Clement Melki, AFP Vatican City. 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