{"id":293445,"date":"2026-02-20T12:50:07","date_gmt":"2026-02-20T12:50:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/293445\/"},"modified":"2026-02-20T12:50:07","modified_gmt":"2026-02-20T12:50:07","slug":"sir-john-kirwan-slams-super-rugby-ceos-south-africa-comments","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/293445\/","title":{"rendered":"Sir John Kirwan slams Super Rugby CEO&#8217;s South Africa comments"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>All Blacks legend Sir John Kirwan has rejected the notion that Super Rugby is better off without the South African sides involved.<\/p>\n<p>The Bulls, Lions, Sharks and Stormers were ousted from the southern hemisphere tournament in 2020 and joined the United Rugby Championship.<\/p>\n<p>Many believe that it is has negatively impacted <a href=\"https:\/\/www.planetrugby.com\/tournament\/super-rugby\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Super Rugby<\/a> and would like to see them return, but chief executive Jack Mesley disagrees.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWell, if you go back and look at the data, those games did not rate well,\u201d Mesley said last week.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey did not attend well. They did not rate like we\u2019re rating now. They did not attend like we are attending now.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo, I think there is a romance associated with the South African days.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kirwan hits out<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.planetrugby.com\/tag\/sir-john-kirwan\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Kirwan\u2019s<\/a> response to those comments was blunt as he said on the Rivals podcast: \u201cThat\u2019s bull****\u201d, before stating that \u201cthe CEO has to say that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He then posed the question: \u201cWhat is Super Rugby? Is it a competition or is it a high performance competition to prepare us for Test matches?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Victor Matfield joined Kirwan on the show and gave his view on Super Rugby having competed in it while playing for the Bulls.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSuper Rugby was the best competition in the world, I get goosebumps thinking about it,\u201d Matfield said.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWaking up as a kid, looking at the Blues running everyone wild and then the Crusaders taking over, and then we came through.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.planetrugby.com\/news\/super-rugby-pacific-rates-better-without-south-africa-as-ceo-issues-blunt-verdict-on-expansion\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Super Rugby Pacific \u2018rates\u2019 better without South Africa as CEO issues blunt verdict on expansion<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u201cEvery Saturday morning, I was up at four or five watching the games \u2013 that was the closest to Test match rugby you could get.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI thought it was tougher to win Super Rugby than a World Cup because you needed to perform at a high level for 12 weeks. Then you maybe needed to go overseas and win a semi-final in New Zealand, whereas in a World Cup you only need to win three tough games.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt was a brilliant competition when it was Super 10, Super 12. After that when they started going to this pool system, it lost a little bit and where it\u2019s standing now, only you guys can tell.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>All Blacks hampered by Super Rugby<\/p>\n<p>Many believe that the lack of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.planetrugby.com\/team\/south-africa\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">South African<\/a> teams in Super Rugby has hampered the All Blacks and Wallabies at Test level. That includes Kirwan, who feels that New Zealand have been disadvantaged by the change in format.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI understand why he said that, I just do not agree with him at all. I don\u2019t agree with him from a high performance point of view because I think we are missing the physique and the style of rugby South Africa bring,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cFrom a high performance point of view, I think we\u2019ve gone backwards. That means the leap from Super Rugby to Test rugby is way bigger than it used to be.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI would love to see the data around the crowds, I just don\u2019t think what he said was on the money.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Want more from Planet Rugby? Add us as <a rel=\"noopener nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/preferences\/source?q=planetrugby.com\" target=\"_blank\">a preferred source on Google to your favourites list<\/a> for world-class coverage you can trust.<\/p>\n<p>READ MORE: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.planetrugby.com\/news\/sir-john-kirwan-and-victor-matfield-give-their-verdict-on-ireland-as-belief-wavers-in-andy-farrells-plan\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Sir John Kirwan and Victor Matfield give their verdict on Ireland as \u2018belief\u2019 wavers in Andy Farrell\u2019s plan<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"All Blacks legend Sir John Kirwan has rejected the notion that Super Rugby is better off without the&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":293446,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[85,1463,111,43,139,69,14439,1466,213,82286],"class_list":["post-293445","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-sports","tag-australia","tag-home-page","tag-new-zealand","tag-news","tag-newzealand","tag-nz","tag-sir-john-kirwan","tag-south-africa","tag-sports","tag-super-rugby"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/293445","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=293445"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/293445\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/293446"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=293445"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=293445"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=293445"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}