{"id":550997,"date":"2026-07-30T09:07:15","date_gmt":"2026-07-30T09:07:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/550997\/"},"modified":"2026-07-30T09:07:15","modified_gmt":"2026-07-30T09:07:15","slug":"cyber-experts-debate-consequences-of-rogue-openai-model-hack","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/550997\/","title":{"rendered":"Cyber experts debate consequences of rogue OpenAI model hack"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>US company feels effects of AI hack<\/p>\n<p>Morning Report<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">The US company at the sharp end of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rnz.co.nz\/news\/world\/769971\/openai-says-ai-models-went-rogue-during-testing\" class=\"underline-brand-hover visited:text-foreground-secondary hover:visited:text-foreground-primary\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">first fully autonomous AI hack<\/a> has revealed what it was like.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">A rogue version of ChatGPT escaped a test bed &#8211; a &#8220;sandbox&#8221; &#8211; and hacked Hugging Face which runs a sort of app store for AI.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">Hundreds of cyber professionals worldwide got an emergency briefing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">They are debating the consequences.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">Andrew Philp is in Wellington to promote cyber security firm TrendAI and said it&#8217;s a very big topic of conversation and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rnz.co.nz\/news\/world\/779026\/why-experts-are-worried-an-openai-model-decided-to-hack-hugging-face\" class=\"underline-brand-hover visited:text-foreground-secondary hover:visited:text-foreground-primary\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">has some people scared<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">&#8220;It is a little bit of a failure of controls. We rely on some of these organisations to have good guardrails in place, so if we are trying to &#8230; test these models they should be very much isolated and air-gapped,&#8221; said Philp.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">The emergency <a href=\"https:\/\/cloudsecurityalliance.org\/artifacts\/hugging-face-ciso-post-mortem\" class=\"underline-brand-hover visited:text-foreground-secondary hover:visited:text-foreground-primary\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/www.bbc.com\/news\/articles\/c2el319vzr3o briefing<\/a> written up by industry body &#8211; Cloud Security Alliance called it an &#8220;initial post-mortem&#8221; &#8211; said the rogue version hacked at superhuman speed using other AI agents.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">Yet the test version made by OpenAI also hallucinated, repeated actions, took non-human attack paths and was sloppy, not covering its tracks the way a human hacker might.<\/p>\n<p>Is it a crime?<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">So who pays the consequences when a routine AI model evaluation escalates into a four-day autonomous security breach?<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">Philp said from what he was hearing, the talk had yet to turn to that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">&#8220;I think the questions they aren&#8217;t asking is whether it&#8217;s a crime and where&#8217;s the redress.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">&#8220;The question that they&#8217;re asking is what can they do to protect and how do they do that?<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">&#8220;You know, if you read through the media reports, Hugging Face were trying to use some of these [advanced] models from a defensive and investigation perspective, and they were hitting the very guardrails that were put in place to stop the model coming out.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><img src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/1785402435_935_4JL12VP_AFP__20260609__boivin_notitle260609_np9b6__v1__HighRes__PhotoIllustrationsOpenaiLaun_jpg.jpeg\"  alt=\"The OpenAI logo is displayed on a smartphone screen placed on a reflective surface onto which a blue abstract illustration is projected, in Creteil, France, on June 9, 2026. OpenAI confirms it has confidentially filed a prospectus for an initial public offering with the Securities and Exchange Commission.\" width=\"614\" height=\"384\" class=\"ml:max-h-[50rem] max-w-full aspect-[16\/10] object-cover\"  decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" fetchpriority=\"auto\"\/><\/p>\n<p>OpenAI says one of its experimental models broke out of its testing space, accessed the internet and hacked another company.<\/p>\n<p class=\"text-foreground-secondary flex-shrink-0 ml-4\">NurPhoto via AFP<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">Reuters <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/business\/openais-rogue-agent-compromised-an-account-second-tech-firm-sources-say-2026-07-28\/\" class=\"underline-brand-hover visited:text-foreground-secondary hover:visited:text-foreground-primary\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">reported<\/a> that a customer of a second firm was hacked by the rogue version.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">Hugging Face has come out <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/technology\/2026\/jul\/27\/startup-hacked-by-rogue-openai-agent-hugging-face-artificial-intelligence\" class=\"underline-brand-hover visited:text-foreground-secondary hover:visited:text-foreground-primary\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">saying<\/a> such an &#8220;unprecedented&#8221; hack deserves an &#8220;unprecedented response&#8221; &#8211; suggesting OpenAI put up over a hundred million dollars of computing power to build defences.<\/p>\n<p>Fierce debate<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">Peter Benson, who runs Auckland firm Neural Horizons, is on the sceptical side of what is being called a &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.technologyreview.com\/2026\/07\/27\/1140836\/openai-hugging-face-attack-precedent\/\" class=\"underline-brand-hover visited:text-foreground-secondary hover:visited:text-foreground-primary\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">fierce<\/a>&#8221; global debate about the hack.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">&#8220;Some of this is almost a PR stunt by OpenAI,&#8221; said Benson.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">This was not to say the version was not powerful or that the hack did not raise genuine worries about what the new models would be capable of, he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">&#8220;The reality is that this is an arms race.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">&#8220;So the arms race means that we are going to be at risk to some extent, because everybody is moving too fast for the regulations to catch up.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">In the face of that, the NZ government relying on existing legislation was a &#8220;big mistake&#8221;, he added.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">Cloud Security Alliance said defenders needed to adapt to a new normal of swarms of AI agents working fast and in novel ways.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">Hugging Face is calling for a very open investigation by OpenAi so the whole industry could learn from it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">The <a href=\"https:\/\/securitybrief.co.nz\/story\/openai-linked-hugging-face-breach-raises-ai-risk-fears\" class=\"underline-brand-hover visited:text-foreground-secondary hover:visited:text-foreground-primary\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">debate<\/a> has also turned to what if defensive tools built on the same advanced models went rogue inside the very systems they were meant to protect.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">Benson as part of an expert panel at the Wellington TrendAI event said, &#8220;We&#8217;re going to have a vulnerability explosion.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">The panel emphasised the importance of tracking and auditing what any AI agents were up to, but that responsibility ultimately rested on whoever authorised the AI.<\/p>\n<p class=\"[&amp;_em]:font-serif-text-italic [&amp;_cite]:font-serif-text-italic\">Richard Harrison of TrendAI told the audience he called it &#8220;human on the hook&#8221; 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