{"id":552437,"date":"2026-07-31T04:41:09","date_gmt":"2026-07-31T04:41:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/552437\/"},"modified":"2026-07-31T04:41:09","modified_gmt":"2026-07-31T04:41:09","slug":"herald-readers-divided-over-school-forcing-students-to-remove-jackets-and-scarves-inside-classrooms","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/552437\/","title":{"rendered":"Herald readers divided over school forcing students to remove jackets and scarves inside classrooms"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img  alt=\"Mount Albert Grammar School headmaster Patrick Drumm. Photo \/ NZME\" class=\"article-media__image responsively-lazy\" data-test-ui=\"article-media__image\"\/>Mount Albert Grammar School headmaster Patrick Drumm. Photo \/ NZME<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Among them was Rosemary, a teacher who recalled similar restrictions when she attended school in the South Island in the 1960s and 1970s.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cKids complain about not much and today\u2019s parents encourage it! Toughen up,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">An Auckland teacher described the students\u2019 complaints as \u201crather pathetic\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cI enforce the no-scarves and no-jackets rule in my classroom &#8230; wearing bulky coats and scarves inside can make it look like you\u2019re about to leave or not fully engaged. Taking them off shows you\u2019re settled, focused, and ready to learn.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cFrom my perspective, this issue reflects a growing victim mentality and entitlement that encourages people to see ordinary expectations as grievances.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Craig, who attended Nelson College in the 1970s, said he did not need extra layers in the classroom, even in the \u201cmiddle of winter\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cThe jersey was adequate,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p><img  alt=\"King's College. Photo \/ NZME\" class=\"article-media__image responsively-lazy\" data-test-ui=\"article-media__image\"\/>King&#8217;s College. Photo \/ NZME<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Oliver, who attended King\u2019s College in the early 2000s, said: \u201cThe rules were the rules. Stick to them or p*** off. Stop complaining.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Other readers, however, argued children could not concentrate properly when they were too cold and should be allowed to decide whether they needed an extra layer.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cKids who are too hot or too cold don\u2019t concentrate,\u201d Andrea said.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018If I paid for it, I will wear it\u2019<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">A MAGS student told the Herald that classrooms at the 3500-student school were \u201cfreezing\u201d and in most the temperature couldn\u2019t be changed.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cI paid a huge amount for a scarf that has the school logo twice plus the school name! If I paid for it I will wear it &#8230; [and] the [school] skirt is thin and the year 9s, 10s and 11s have to wear a short skirt in winter &#8211; that is insane.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">A former student of Kingswell High School in Invercargill said it was ridiculous for schools to assume they knew how warm individual students were feeling.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cWe all feel the cold differently,\u201d Anna said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Students should be allowed to wear V-neck thermals that were not visible beneath their uniforms, she said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cIt\u2019s irrelevant what people wear under their uniform.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Alan argued teachers should follow the same classroom clothing rules as students.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cWelfare of your children is a priority.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Jan recalled getting into trouble for wearing a jacket at intermediate school in the 1970s.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cHow do you learn if you are freezing cold?\u201d she said.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018Tough on cold days\u2019<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nzherald.co.nz\/nz\/do-school-uniform-rules-do-more-harm-than-good\/4W3PE3WG3LILWIBR2ZB4ASNM6E\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.nzherald.co.nz\/nz\/do-school-uniform-rules-do-more-harm-than-good\/4W3PE3WG3LILWIBR2ZB4ASNM6E\/\">complaints about MAGS uniform rules<\/a> came as a chilly spell swept across the country, with Auckland recording one of its coldest days of the year as frost and sub-zero temperatures hit parts of the city this week.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Drumm said every classroom had heating.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">But one parent said it was \u201ctough on cold days\u201d for students who didn\u2019t have the school jersey.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cThose kids come in from the cold and have to immediately go down to just a shirt when they haven\u2019t had a chance to warm up.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Another parent said their son was told by a teacher, \u201cit\u2019s not raining inside so take your jacket off\u201d, with detention given for not complying.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">\u201cMy son has complained about how cold he is in the classroom several times in the last month. The heating in the class isn\u2019t sufficient.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Parents also claimed students aren\u2019t allowed to wear extra tops underneath their uniforms, but Drumm said staff weren\u2019t checking if students were wearing thermals.<\/p>\n<p>Uniform battles not new<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">It\u2019s not the first time students and their parents have raised concerns about uniforms and the Kiwi climate.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Students at Massey High School faced the opposite problem to their West Auckland neighbours in 2016 when the school introduced a new <a 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title=\"https:\/\/google.com\/search?q=massey+high+uniforms+nz+herald&amp;sca_esv=2c404eaf43af4804&amp;sxsrf=APpeQnvr1MG3IdejaA4KpP8nRCEhL2CQ7Q%3A1785455769457&amp;source=hp&amp;ei=meRratDPGY_ZseMPwMzeqQw&amp;iflsig=ABILxe8AAAAAamvyqVqSGXt_Vrao4hiA-l02Wh53UCv8&amp;ved=0ahUKEwiQgJiHzfuVAxWPbGwGHUCmN8UQ4dUDCC0&amp;uact=5&amp;oq=massey+high+uniforms+nz+herald&amp;gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6Ih5tYXNzZXkgaGlnaCB1bmlmb3JtcyBueiBoZXJhbGQyBBAhGBVInDtQAFijOnAAeACQAQCYAasHoAG_UaoBCzItNy41LjQuMy40uAEDyAEA-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-VHCBwY0LjE4LjHIByKACAE&amp;sclient=gws-wiz\">uniform requiring students to wear trousers or long skirts<\/a> and ties and blazers year round.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Some students and their parents complained the uniforms were unsuitable for Auckland\u2019s hot and humid summers.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">The same year, some Motueka High School students campaigned on overturning the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nzherald.co.nz\/lifestyle\/principal-hits-back-at-puffer-jacket-criticism\/7V4SX6GDGWSYTLG5ISMKWVXZNU\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.nzherald.co.nz\/lifestyle\/principal-hits-back-at-puffer-jacket-criticism\/7V4SX6GDGWSYTLG5ISMKWVXZNU\/\">school\u2019s ban on puffer jackets<\/a>, with then-principal Scott Haines describing the pushback to RNZ as a \u201cfashion issue\u201d rather than one of warmth.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">In 2023, about 20 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nzherald.co.nz\/nz\/students-protest-long-bay-college-sexist-uniform-policy-parents-seeking-legal-advice\/7CNL4SRDGFA75NCYGUQULJOINU\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.nzherald.co.nz\/nz\/students-protest-long-bay-college-sexist-uniform-policy-parents-seeking-legal-advice\/7CNL4SRDGFA75NCYGUQULJOINU\/\">Long Bay College and parents protested outside school<\/a> amid a stoush over uniform compliance.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Parents of female students at the North Shore school complained to the board after some students said they felt humiliated after being told to prove their skirts weren\u2019t rolled at the waistband to shorten them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">And last year, the principal of a Canterbury school apologised after students were required to carry passes permitting them to wear<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nzherald.co.nz\/nz\/ashburton-school-apologises-over-culturally-inappropriate-uniform-passes\/DQZX7CMCT5ASNF7LQ4V3A4IKIM\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.nzherald.co.nz\/nz\/ashburton-school-apologises-over-culturally-inappropriate-uniform-passes\/DQZX7CMCT5ASNF7LQ4V3A4IKIM\/\"> \u201cincorrect uniform items\u201d such as pounamu<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"TErgZkLeGvuOzWkL\" style=\"display:none\">Ashburton Intermediate principal Brent Gray said he was \u201cgrateful\u201d to those who raised the issue, enabling him to make things right.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Mount Albert Grammar School headmaster Patrick Drumm. 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