{"id":613880,"date":"2026-09-28T02:08:12","date_gmt":"2026-09-28T02:08:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/613880\/"},"modified":"2026-09-28T02:08:12","modified_gmt":"2026-09-28T02:08:12","slug":"jesse-mulligan-why-we-need-to-interact-more-with-other-humans","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/613880\/","title":{"rendered":"Jesse Mulligan: Why we need to interact more with other humans"},"content":{"rendered":"<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black \">At some point, we gave up human contact in the name of efficiency.<\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black \">\n         If you think your local pub has a strict dress code, how would you feel about living in Greenfield, Massachusetts? Since it opened last year, local lesbian bar Last Ditch has insisted that all patrons wear a<br \/>\n         Covid-preventing KN95 mask unless eating or drinking. Recently the owners made a tentative step towards post-pandemic life, suggesting via Instagram that from now on masks would be optional on Saturday nights. It did not go down well.\n        <\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black zEEGoQobVQRR\">The backlash was fast and furious. Online comments accused the bar of ableism, eugenics and putting profits ahead of its disabled community. Others went further, describing the suggestion as \u201cwhite supremacy\u201d, which would lead to a \u201cmass disabling event\u201d. <\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black zEEGoQobVQRR\">\u201cI hope your venue gets firebombed for robbing my fellow immunocompromised people of their Saturday plans just to scrape extra revenue from ablists [sic]\u201d was one typically thoughtful piece of feedback. <\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black zEEGoQobVQRR\">The story has launched a thousand opinion pieces, including a few brave columnists taking the side of the aggrieved customers (where would we be without the ever-tolerant Guardian?). But whatever your view, the argument in Massachusetts says a lot about the conditions under which we share a room with other people. Here in Auckland, we\u2019re increasingly arranging things so we don\u2019t have to interact with anyone in it.<\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black zEEGoQobVQRR\">QR code ordering is only the most egregious example of this trend. A little part of me dies whenever I am handed a menu and asked to place my order via an app. On some very bleak occasions I\u2019ve not even been given a menu \u2013 just a link to a website where I can browse what\u2019s on offer while my friends do the same. It saves money on staff and printing, but so does putting customers in a dark cellar and tossing food down a hole. <\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black zEEGoQobVQRR\">It is hard enough to keep people\u2019s phones away during a meal, why make it compulsory to get them out? This week I interviewed comedian Aziz Ansari, who told me he still uses a flip phone. Why? \u201cBecause if you saw me walking down the street with a laptop clipped to my waist, you\u2019d be like \u2018this seems a bit much\u2019. That\u2019s how I feel about the smartphone. It\u2019s just a bit much.\u201d <\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black zEEGoQobVQRR\">At some point we gave up human contact in the name of efficiency. You can choose from a menu without seeing a waiter. You can order takeaways on your phone and request they be dropped at your gate. You can pass through a supermarket without saying two words to anybody. A recent study shows that every year the number of words we say aloud each day drops by around 300. <\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black zEEGoQobVQRR\">And yet human beings learned to thrive by learning to talk. Before the internet, even before the written word, we passed on information, wisdom and stories exclusively by opening our mouths. Our brains even reward us for doing it, in that incredible way evolution has of encouraging the behaviours that help us survive. <\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black zEEGoQobVQRR\">According to the World Happiness Report and the World Health Organisation, our young people are among the loneliest and saddest in generations. Might the fact they\u2019ve eliminated any opportunity to speak to other humans be part of the problem? Gen X and Boomers played a part too. How many times have you heard complaints about a \u201cwaiter that wouldn\u2019t leave us alone\u201d? How many times have you screwed your nose up after being told that the only table left is the communal one? <\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black zEEGoQobVQRR\">And look, I don\u2019t want to drag service staff into this but some of them might also be culpable. Remember that brief period in Woke 1.0 when radical hospo politics had us all believing that wanting your waiter to smile was a form of emotional slavery?<\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black zEEGoQobVQRR\">As for us customers, we might not make this stuff worse by choosing the automated checkout over the human one, but it certainly won\u2019t make things any better. Eyeballing another human is good for the soul, which even multinationals are starting to realise is also good for business. <\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black zEEGoQobVQRR\">The WSJ this month reported that McDonald\u2019s and Burger King are \u201cpivoting back to humans\u201d, in an attempt to counter perceptions that \u201cour restaurants seem rushed, impersonal and sterile\u201d. A profit-led business case is probably the sickest argument for embracing humanity but, let\u2019s be honest, it\u2019s the one that\u2019s going to have the most impact. When even our fast food joints realise we have a problem, you know the tide is about to turn. <\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black zEEGoQobVQRR\">Perhaps the psychological breakthrough the rest of us need is to realise that inconvenience isn\u2019t a barrier to a good life; it\u2019s sometimes the best part. Most of the wonderful things that happen to us begin with something unexpected, often involving another human being. Ordering your fries at the bar rather than through an app won\u2019t change your life. But the conversation you have while you\u2019re waiting just might. <\/p>\n<p data-test-ui=\"viva-article-paragraph\" class=\"tw-mb-4 tw-font-proxima tw-text-lg tw-font-normal tw-leading-6 tw-text-black zEEGoQobVQRR\">What you\u2019ve asked, and what he\u2019s shared.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"At some point, we gave up human contact in the name of efficiency. 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